24 Nov
2011
24 Nov
'11
5:07 p.m.
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 14:43, Ludovic Dubost <ludovic(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
The XEM dashboard is not a good quality dashboard. It
would need to be
rethought.
Agreed, but...
I don't know of users that actually use it.
since you do not know, removing it is still risky. If some user are
actually use it, they will be really annoyed not finding it anywhere. This
is why I suggested for a few version to have an explanatory text on the new
dashboard, with a link to the old one. Providing a smooth transition, and
keeping the old dashboard available.
I suggest removing it in the meantime.
I am -1 on removing something we have had for so long without a transition
period.
Denis
Ludovic
2011/11/24 Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
to
proposed
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On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Workspace+Application
On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:42 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>
>> On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Eduard Moraru wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Vincent,
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net
wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi devs,
>>>>
>>>> Since Eduard has developed the workspaces module (see
>>>>
)
the
>>>> I'd like to push for using it
in our XEM distribution.
>>>>
>>>> However there are 2 valid uses cases that exist:
>>>> 1) Using XE + workspaces, for creating workspaces (technically each
>>>> workspace being a wiki)
>>>> 2) Using XE as a wiki farm
>>>>
>>>> I think that use case 1) is the main use case for most people and
this
>>>> vote is about keeping the XEM
packaging/branding but repurposing so
that
>>>> XEM implements use case 1). Use
case 2) exists but it's less
frequent and
>>>> for more technically advanced
users.
>>>>
>>>> So here's my proposal (and what you should vote on):
>>>>
>>>> A) XEM = app manager module + wiki manager module + workspaces
module(s).
>>>> XEM home page becomes the
workspaces app home page. We update
>>>> manager.xwiki.org to align it with the fact that it now boasts the
>>>> workspaces features.
>>>> B) On
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Virtualizationwekeep
documenting how to transform XE into a wiki farm
>>>>>
>>>> C) We create an application in xwiki-platform-core/ that contains >>>>> current pages located in XEM
(home page + the other pages). We
could
call
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-manager/tree/master/xwiki-manager-ui/src/mai…
>>>> it xwiki-platform-multiwiki
>>>>
>>>
>>> The pages that are strictly related to XEM can be found at
>>>
>>>>
>>>> There, you have:
>>>> * Main.WebHome -> main wiki home with a couple of words about XEM
and
a
is
>>> listing of current wikis
>>
>> AFAIR there was "dashboard" on the home page: wikis you view, wikis
you own, wikis you administrate, recent wikis.
>>
>> The page itself just include widgets which are in wiki manager.
>>
>>>
>>>> * XemManager.Install -> Install page for a wiki template. This page
>>>> supposed to have automatically
the latest XE xar attached to it.
This
was
>>>> working when it was part of the XEM product, but if we plan to put
it
into
that
>>> platform, we need to let the admin
upload the XE xar (or any other
xar that
>>> (s)he wishes to use for the
template), just like we did for
workspaces.
>>>> * Panels.QuickLinks -> Override of the standard quick links panel
>>> contains an extra link to the wiki manager if the current user is an
admin
>>>> * XemResources.* -> Translations page with 7 keys strictly related
the
package
>>> XemManager.Install page
>>> * Xapp.XWikiApplicationXem -> Application descriptor for the
application
>>>> manager. AFAIK, it's just a way to automatically register the above
>>>> translations.
>>>>
>>>> Now, knowing the above, does it make sense to name a platform that
>>>> is supposed to contain the above pages
"xwiki-platform-multiwiki" ?
If
>>> someone installs this package, they will not actually get multiwiki
>>> capabilities, they will just get a new homepage.
>>>
>>> I think that the xwiki-platform-wiki-manager module (application)
offers
>>>> everything needed for the 2) wiki farm use case and that, from the
>>>> platform's point of view (and maybe the user's as well), the
extra
>>>> xwiki-platform-multiwiki would bring no value. The only valuable
item
is
but
>>> (maybe) the homepage, but I propose
we drop all of the above and let
users
>>> use the wiki manager application.
>>
>> Good points, I agree. Makes a lot of sense.
>>
>> I'd then propose to include the XEM dashboard as the WebHome of
WikiManager
>>
>> I don't like it very much, WikiManager home page is an admin page to
>> manipulate wikis, this kind of dashboard would be useless for them
>> IMO.
>
> So you think we should just remove the dashboard?
>
> Or would you be ok to have the dashboard page in the wikimanager app not on the home page?
This could be a WikiManager.Dashboard page provided to anyone that
would want to include it somewhere like in the main wiki home page.
The best would probably be to rewrite the widgets to be supported by
the new dashboard system but it's really not a priority.
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Thanks
-Vincent
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>> I`m +1 for everything else.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Eduard
>>>
>>>
>>>> D) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-multiwiki easily will
use the
>>>> Extension Manager UI when
it's ready for general consumption
>>>> E) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-workspace easily will
use the
>>>> Extension Manager UI when
it's ready for general consumption. At
this point
>>>> we'll decide if we want to
drop the XEM distribution or keep both
ways of
>>> installing it.
>>>
>>> Here'd my +1
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
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