9 Feb
2011
9 Feb
'11
5:58 p.m.
Hi,
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 16:01, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On Feb 9, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Thibaut DEVERAUX wrote:
It's really a question of personal preference, I like "partial" better than
"full" in the above examples.
As I said in my first response I wouldn't care if the select fields had a
Hi,
** Partial ou Full ?*
Partial !
Just imagin the full solution with a 1920px resolution...
I am on 1920px and I can tell that the full width is nicer than the partial
solution which doesn't even reach half of the screen making all text
cluttered and not using the screen real estate.
Partial:
http://tinycoke.com/_6ripkVnWC9iA/partial.png
Full:
http://tinycoke.com/_6r6qg3AQJmy8I/full.png
See how texts are nicer in full.
fixed sized based on the length of the inputs in them,
but for Text and
TextArea fields it's much nicer to take the full size.
As Caty mentioned it, it would be better to change the input type to a
textarea when appropriate.
Guillaume
Thanks
-Vincent
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... Long lines, text on the right, button far on
the left, on what am I
clicking on already ?
** Having anotations on the left.*
Nice idea. It helps a lot on such complicated things as the wiki
configuration.
If possible, each explanation could be on the front of the field it is
related to make it easier to read.
Have a nice day
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2011/2/9 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 14:25, Marius Dumitru Florea <
> mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Caty,
>>
>> On 02/09/2011 12:21 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Since XE 3.0M2 we have a new administration look (
>>>
>>
>
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/ReleaseNotes/ReleaseNotesXWikiEnterpris…
>> ).
>>>
>>> There was a debate if the forms should be full width or not.
>>>
>>> *Variants*:
>>> 1) *Partial Width* (current):
>>>
>>
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Polls/AdministrationFormsfu…
>>> 2) *Full Width*:
>>>
>>
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Polls/AdministrationFormsfu…
>>
>> What's the benefit of enforcing the same width? I think I prefer the
>> width to depend on the size of the information displayed (for select
>> boxes) or expected to be entered (text input). For instance if I have a
>> text input for entering a small number I wouldn't like it to span the
>> entire page width. Same for a select box with options of small length
>> (e.g. Yes/No).
>>
>>
> Until the form standard, we had all kinds of sizes for text inputs,
> textareas, select boxes. This created a very messy/not standardized
> feeling.
>
> Test: remove "xform" class from <form class="xform half".
Results:
>
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Polls/AdministrationFormsfu…
>
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Polls/AdministrationFormsfu…
>
> Having all controls the same width the form layout presents itself
> differently: it look compact, aligned and unitary.
>
> Beside the unitary look, you can have also some technical reasons. The
> other
> solution beside a 100% width for most of the controls, would have been
to
> set some standardized sizes for each type of
control. This sizes are
> already
> defined in "Size" column of the "Usage" category
> http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/DevGuide/VerticalForms and are
> recommended to be used on future forms (and also to be modified on the
old
> forms - already done for some forms I
revised).
> The problem with this approach is that this means that we should have
> changed all the existing code that contained forms elements in order for
> the
> forms to look unitary and standardized.
> Also, some browsers (like IE) don't render the same width for different
> controls even if you specify the same size (ex. <input type='text'
> size='60'
> will be longer than <input type='password' size='60' ). So this
means
again
> different widths, more frustration (obs. even
with width 100% for all
> controls, <select> is still rendered shorter).
>
> From an usability point of view, the restricted cases where we should
> adjust
> the width of our form fields so it matches the length of the expected
input
> are: credit card number (16 digits), credit
card security code (4
digits),
> dates (2 digits + x + 4digits, but this case
can be replaced with other
> solutions: date pickers, selects, etc). This are some of the cases where
we
> know the exact size of the field and can act
accordingly. Beside them,
> there
> are no rules and all is limited to what the developer/designer thinks
fits
> the layout. We already have an exception for
"Inline" layout forms (
> http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/DevGuide/InlineForms ) and we
can
>> make styles also for the cases mentioned above, but those cases are not
>> encountered in XE standard distribution.
>>
>> Hope this answers the question,
>> Caty
>
>
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marius
>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Test*: You can test this "partial"/"full" width on
your resolution by
>>>> removing "half" class from "<form class='xform
half"" definition.
>>>>
>>>> *Considerations*:
>>>> - When voting please consider that the width will be set for small and
>>> high
>>>> resolutions (that until we will improve our skin to detect the
>>> resolutions
>>>> change).
>>>> - You should consider how form controls look (readability, usability)
>> on
>>>> different sizes, like<select>, input, textarea, etc.
>>>>
>>>> *Other Solutions*:
>>>> A. The problem is that on large resolution is hard to read the
controls
>>> because the form are too wide - on
small resolution there is unused
>> space. A
>>> solution would be to use CSS media queries and adjust the width for
>> smaller
>>> resolutions.
>>> B. Another solution would be to use the additional space given by the
>>> partial width and provide some extra help for the sections, see
>>> smaller resolution:
>>>
>>
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Polls/AdministrationFormsfu…
>>> higher resolution:
>>>
>>
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Polls/AdministrationFormsfu…
>>>
>>> *Vote*:
>>> You can use the poll made for this vote:
>>>
>>
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Polls/AdministrationFormsfullwi…
> or if you don't have an account on incubator,
just reply to this mail.
> Please cast you votes.
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
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