10 Oct
2011
10 Oct
'11
9:47 p.m.
Hi Alex,
On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:55 PM, Alex Busenius wrote:
Hi,
I'm -1 for the idea of moving votes about some selected topics to a
secret mailing list.
The proposal/vote is only about voting about committers on a private list. ATM I don't
see any other vote topics that would justify being done privately.
The most important point of public votes is to provide
transparency to
the community, which not only consists of informing the community of
secretly made decisions, but also explaining why those decisions were
made and leaving a possibility for everyone to discuss and interact with
the committers. Remember, that by our rules, anyone is allowed to vote,
it's just that only the committers have a binding vote.
Sure, we're not changing this.
I agree that choosing and excluding new committers are
sensitive topics,
so it makes sense to discuss such things in private first
What's the point of a "fake" vote if f it's been discussed before? If we
discuss it privately and one of us is against it, we're not going to propose it so if
we propose a vote publicly it means we all agree so what's the point of sending a
vote?
I don't see any interest in saying something like: "this person has been voted in
as a committer, please provide your feedback within 48 hours if you think it's a bad
idea!"
Or: "committers have agreed not to vote this person as a committer, please provide
arguments if you think committers should revise their judgements!"
Thanks
-Vincent
, but the
actual vote should be public, with committers standing behind their
votes and with enough time for others (i.e. for not-committers) to speak
up and influence the vote.
So I'm +0 for a private mailing list for sensitive topics (+0 because I
don't see how contacting 15 people that are all in the same skype chat
once a year is hard), but we should not vote there.
Thanks,
Alex
On 10.10.2011 15:05, Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi devs,
There are a few topics that are not supposed to be public or that would be better be not
public.
One such topic is when we want to VOTE someone as a committer. It's very
uncomfortable to do this in the open for the following reasons:
* committers are tempted to VOTE +1 since voting negatively is seen publicly, including
by the person being voted on
* it's very undelicate to have this in the open especially if the person is voted
down since that'll affect that person's morale and future participation in the
project
So I'd like to propose creating a committers(a)xwiki.org list with the following
characteristics:
* private, visible only to committers
I also propose it to use it for voting committers.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
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