Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UX] Visible Save buttons

@Vincent : as a PO, you should stay positive in commenting enhancement proposals of others, avoid subjective statement as : "I don't like" or  denigrant "WTF" expression. @Vincent @Edouard : I think your opinions on this Action Toolbar proposition are too dogmatic : if a change makes the software easier to learn I think it's acceptable so break some rules. However, I accept that the burdon of proof is on me to show that this is indeed likely to improve user experience and learnability. Here's why I think this change will improve learnability and UX :  * I think users need to associate that Edit and Save form the major workflow of page modifications. Putting the 2 buttons next to each other reinforce the understanding of the workflow by newcomers * There is no strong reason not to have Save available at the bottom of the document, I just believe that it needs to also be available at the top too so users see it and not scroll * Other wikis (including Mediawiki in their Visual Mode and SharePoint wiki ) put the Save Button next to the Edit One (see http://d.pr/i/Qvw8 and http://d.pr/i/rpoJ), they probably have put some effort into usability and so we should consider taking advantage of their effort. <http://xwiki.475771.n2.nabble.com/file/n7603611/Screen_Shot_2017-04-25_at_11.png> Further more, in other contexts (editors, e-commerce websites), major "final action" ("Publish", "Add to the Cart" are most of the time in the top of the page, so users don't miss it) * It is more efficient to do one click rather than two (and other software such as Thunderbird accepts to mix buttons like "reply" which start an action but do not complete it with buttons such as "delete message" which do complete an action; GMail also mixes 1-step and 2-steps actions buttons) * Switching between editor types seems like an advanced feature, it is not exposed to simple users which should be most users @Vincent : I took your Version summary concern into consideration and made a new proposal here : http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/Idea%3A%20Contextual%20… (also avoiding a popup) -- View this message in context: http://xwiki.475771.n2.nabble.com/Proposal-UX-Visible-Save-buttons-tp760344… Sent from the XWiki- Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.