Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UX] Notifications Improvements 9.8+

Hi, I was wondering if we could identify the center point of an notification by considering the action that the current user (receiving the notification) did to subscribe to that event, i.e. what actually interests the current user. 1) Now, if we consider the Watchlist approach where a user goes to a page/wiki and clicks "watch"/"subscribe", then we could see the point of interest as the content... since the user wants to be notified when changes are made to that content... by whoever. ... in this case, it makes sense to see the events of, say the recent 24 hours, grouped by pages and only in their details to see which users and what even types they performed. 2) If we consider going to the user profile and clicking "follow", then the current user is interested in the getting notifications of the changes done by that particular user, no matter the page. ... in this case, I would imagine the user expecting to see events in the last 24 hours grouped by users "i.e. user X worked on 5 pages" and, when expanding, to see which pages and what type of events... 3) Finally, there are applications, where events could be sent by either users of the application (e.g. Blog, AWM, etc.) or by the application itself (e.g. Meeting Manager/Calendar sending a reminder to the participants, 30 minutes before, about an upcoming meeting/event). ... in this case, the user subscribes to the application (or is automatically subscribed and can unsubscribe). Not sure if this helps to the discussion, just thought I'd share. Thanks, Eduard On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com > On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau < > guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> > > 2017-10-03 17:34 GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com > >: > > > > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Thomas Mortagne < > > > thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com&gt; > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Guillaume Delhumeau > > > > &lt;guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> > > > > So your proposal focuses a lot more on the users instead of the > apps > > > > (like > > > > > facebook for example). It's OK for me, but I think the type icon > > > (create, > > > > > edit, comment, etc...) is too small compared to the user face. > > > > > > > > > > Actually when I see these screenshot, my first impression is that > the > > > > user > > > > > has been modified :) Would it be nice to have the type icon bigger > > than > > > > the > > > > > user face? To me, what happened is more important than who made it, > > but > > > > > maybe it's only my feeling. > > > > > > > > Pretty much the same comments on my side. I find weird to focus that > > > > much on users, I would have preferred images corresponding on the > > > > change made. > > > > > > > > > > Depends on what we want to focus on and also on what are user's > > > expectations. > > > If you look at the majority of notifcations in the wild, the user is > the > > > focus. > > > People want to know who did what, on what page, when. > > > > > > > But Facebook, for example, is a social network. It focuses on people by > > nature. On XWiki, it is not that evident. In the case of a knowledge > base, > > you focus more on the content (the knowledge) than on the people. On > > xwiki.org, I guess you prefer seeing what's change instead of who made > > some > > changes... > > > > > I know the pages are important, that's why the first link and item > displayed is the page name. > I want to know if a spam user did something. > > Thanks, > Caty > > > > If we define XWiki as a collaboration tool, then you collaborate to > create > > something and so the focus is naturally more on that "something". > > > > Just my 2 cents :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice work anyway, as usual :) > > > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > > > 2017-10-03 9:50 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Delhumeau < > > > > guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com > > > > >>: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> 2017-10-02 18:09 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;et>: > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:08, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> >> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:05, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> Another feedback/questions: > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> * Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the user > profile? > > > > >>> >> * We need a way to link directly to the diff, at least for > page > > > > events > > > > >>> so that the user can see what was modified (as we have currently > in > > > > the AS) > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > * Maybe “2 hours ago” is not precise enough. In your example I > > see > > > I > > > > >>> created and modified the Roadmap page but they both say “2 hours > > > ago”. > > > > >>> Shouldn’t I be able to see how far away both events were done? > > > > >>> > > > > >>> My understanding is that events are grouped by app+type but not > by > > > > entity > > > > >>> anymore (for page events) and thus you can have 3 events > displayed > > > for > > > > the > > > > >>> same page, f.ex: Creation, Modification, Deletion. > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> And you could also have different users grouped in the same > > composite > > > > >> event. So when you display the details, it would be nice to show > > which > > > > user > > > > >> made each event, and I see you have removed this info. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Thanks > > > > >>> -Vincent > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > Thanks > > > > >>> > -Vincent > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> Thanks > > > > >>> >> -Vincent > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:01, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; > > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > > > >>> valicac(a)gmail.com> > > > >>> >>>> > > > > >>> >>>> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent > > > > >>> >>>> from > > > > >>> >>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/ > bin/view/Proposal/Notification > > > > >>> sImprovements9x#HEventTypes > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top to > > bottom > > > > and > > > > >>> stopped at the overview :) > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> However I don’t think it scales since it means one unique > icon > > > per > > > > >>> combination of app type + event type. > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> What would scale better is two icons: one for the app type > and > > > one > > > > >>> for the event type. > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> For example imagine that the Blog app had the following > events: > > > > >>> >>> * When a blog post is published > > > > >>> >>> * When a blog post is created > > > > >>> >>> * When a blog post is removed > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent the 3 > > > events. > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the Blog > > > app. > > > > A > > > > >>> lot of apps can have a RSS feed. > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder and > > harder > > > > to > > > > >>> find unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially if > > > there’s > > > > only > > > > >>> 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event type. > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> WDYT? > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> Thanks > > > > >>> >>> -Vincent > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>>> Thanks, > > > > >>> >>>> Caty > > > > >>> >>>> > > > > >>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol < > > > > vincent(a)massol.net&gt; > > > > >>> > > > >>> >>>> > > > > >>> >>>>> Hi Caty, > > > > >>> >>>>> > > > > >>> >>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > > > >>> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; > > > > >>> >>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>> > > > > >>> >>>>>> Hi, > > > > >>> >>>>>> > > > > >>> >>>>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for our > > > Notifications > > > > >>> UI, see > > > > >>> >>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/ > > > > >>> >>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x > > > > >>> >>>>>> > > > > >>> >>>>>> Let me know what you think. > > > > >>> >>>>> > > > > >>> >>>>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app? > > > > >>> >>>>> > > > > >>> >>>>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be > > > > displayed > > > > >>> and you > > > > >>> >>>>> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or > > > > modification? > > > > >>> >>>>> > > > > >>> >>>>> Thanks > > > > >>> >>>>> -Vincent > > > > >>> >>>>> > > > > >>> >>>>>> > > > > >>> >>>>>> Thanks, > > > > >>> >>>>>> Caty > > > > >>> >>>>> > > > > >>> >>>>> > > > > >>> >>> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> -- > > > > >> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) > > > > >> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > > > > >> Committer on the XWiki.org project > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) > > > > > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > > > > > Committer on the XWiki.org project > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Thomas Mortagne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) > > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > > Committer on the XWiki.org project > > >