12 Jun
2017
12 Jun
'17
12:42 p.m.
"XWiki Vanilla", because it`s the *standard flavor* :D Sounds so funny that
I kind of like it :)
However, I`m not so sure about non-techinical users or how that goes with
other stuff that we already or might produce, since we don`t really have a
pattern on that. Fun proposal, though.
Thanks,
Eduard
On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Marta Girdea <marta.girdea(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi,
I'm jumping in a bit late, but I was just wondering if anyone considered
"Vanilla" [1]. It was the absolute first thing that popped to my mind when
I saw the discussion about naming the standard flavour.
Just my 2 cents,
Marta
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla_software
On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 7:07 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
Hi Denis and all,
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On 10 Jun 2017, at 11:46, Denis Gervalle
<dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
Hi All,
Sorry to jump in after an already long discussion since we are getting
close to a
conclusion, so I just don’t want my intervention to cause more
fuzz than good.
I am in accordance with most of what was said so
far, but “Default”
looks to me a less valuable naming than “Standard”, it is not a
strong
opinion, so I give my +1 to “Standard” and +0 to “Default”. I will use
“Standard" in the following, just to be clearer, but you can substitute with “Default” if you wish (you might notice
further subtle differences,
or
not).
if
So, what I am not sure about now is why all
proposals end with “XWiki
flavor” (and this is not really about the American
spelling of flavour !
:D). All flavours we gonna have surely will be XWiki ones, won’t it ? So we start with the “Standard XWiki Flavor”, I am
afraid we are going to
lead
a movement where everyone will name their flavour
with that same suffix.
Is
that our intention ?
“Standard
“XWiki Standard Flavor” would already carry a
different meaning, since
it would say more “Standard flavour made by the XWiki
team”. However, if
our intent was more to say this is a generic wiki flavour, using Wiki Flavor” looks more in line with our intended
meaning. And if our
meaning is more that this is just a generic flavour, ending with
“Standard
Flavor” is probably simpler, clearer and better.
flavors
WDYT ?
I agree with you.
I think we have 2 choices for the name that appears in the DW UI:
* “Standard”. We may not even need the “Flavor” suffix in the same way as
we don’t add an “Extension” suffix in the EM UI. IMO the DW UI for should indicate the author in the UI, something
like ”Standard” and then
“developed by XWiki Development Team” or “developed by XWiki SAS” or
“developed by Denis Gervalle”.
* "XWiki Standard” or “XWiki Standard Flavor” to indicate it’s the one
made by the XWiki open source dev team. So that could be the full name
but
the name we display in the DW UI could simply be
“Standard Flavor” and
then
“developed by XWiki Development Team”, etc.
If we want to use the term “Wiki” then it could come as a replacement for
the “Standard” term, to mention that it’s a generic wiki flavor, as
opposed
to an intranet flavor, a knowledge base flavor,
etc. But I agree that
“Wiki
Flavor” is a good contender (and one that Ludovic
mentioned too, he even
mentioned Structured Wiki Flavor). I’d be +0 on “Wiki Flavor”. “Standard
Wiki Flavor” is also possible and hints that there can be other generic
Wiki flavors that are not standard. So I’m also +0 for it.
Now outside of the DW UI, the full name of the flavors done by the XWiki
Dev Team could be prefixed with XWiki as in “the XWiki Standard Flavor”
(or
“XWiki Demo Flavor”). Other companies or
individuals would name is with
their identity, such as “the <my company> Procedure Flavor”.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
> --
> Denis Gervalle
> SOFTEC sa - CEO
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 16:48, Thomas Mortagne <
thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
non
So here is the current situation
= Proposition which don't annoy people enough to get a veto
* "Default XWiki Flavor" (+3)
* "Standard XWiki Flavor" (+2)
= Someone gave a veto on those
* "Base XWiki Flavor"
* "Classic XWiki Flavor" (good success for this one until it hits Edy
and Vincent)
* "Raw XWiki Flavor"
* "Starter XWiki Flavor"
* "XWiki Flavor”
* "Generic XWiki Flavor"
Anyone want to change his votes ?
I don't really have a preference between "Default" and
"Standard".
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>> So I’ve read this thread and here’s my POV:
>>
>> * "Base XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Thomas)
>> * “Classic XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Edy, it means there’s a classic and *better* one and we don’t have one so
it doesn’t make sense)
IMO
> * “Raw XWiki Flavor” -1 (not enough meaning
IMO and a bit deprecatory)
> * “Starter XWiki Flavor” -1 (would mean there’s another flavor which
isn’t the
case)
> * "Default XWiki Flavor” +1
> * "Generic XWiki Flavor” +1
> * “Standard XWiki Flavor” +1 (makes the most sense IMO)
> * "XWiki Flavor”. Here it’s hard to understand that “XWiki” actually
means “developed by the XWiki project” and it would work only if other
flavors don’t have “XWiki” in the name. This is why I’m -1 ATM for it. it’s not easy enough to differentiate and
understand what it means
compared
to other listed flavors such “Procedure Flavor”
from XWiki SAS or “Demo
Flavor” from contrib.
tied
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> On 24 May 2017, at 11:51, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com
wrote:
>>
>> Hi devs,
>>
>> I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new platform
>> flavor which is going to replace XE.
>>
>> Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when installed
XWiki now.
>>>
>>> As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic flavor, not >>> to any specific use case (so forget
about "Knwonledge Base Flavor"
>>> :)).
>>>
>>> Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails:
>>> * "XWiki Flavor"
>>> * "Default XWiki Flavor"
>>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor"
>>> * "Base XWiki Flavor"
>>>
>>> "Generic" is probably a way too technical term.
>>>
>>> "Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not really a base
flavor.
>>> Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency (of course it's
>>> fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre installed
>>> extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for me.
>>>
>>> Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I know, it's not
going
>>> to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you actually
see
>>> severals of those in the picker
anyway and I find it nicer than
>>> "Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same thing since
the
>>> XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other flavor. I'm
also
> fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if
others think it's a better name.
>
> WDYT ?
>
> --
> Thomas Mortagne
--
Thomas Mortagne