26 Nov
2018
26 Nov
'18
noon
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 11:22 AM Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
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Thomas Mortagne
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:57 AM Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Note that the question is not so much about being simple (we can just remove WCAG
for that and it’s the simplest ;)) but about being the right
thing to do for people with disabilities.
> On 21 Nov 2018, at 17:46, Adel Atallah <adel.atallah(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 5:36 PM Simon
Urli <simon.urli(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> one of the most validation error we have with WCAG is about
consecutive
>> line breaks: basically a <br
/><br /> presents in a page.
>>
>> This happens mostly in our translation pages since the linebreaks in
>> plain syntax are translated in <br /> tags.
>> Caty provided a lot of details about this error on the related issue:
>> https://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-15666.
>>
>> Currently we have around 140 validations failure because of this.
>>
>> Different proposal have been made in order to fix it, that I will try
to
>> sum-up here:
>>
>> A. Remove completely this validation check
> -0, I think the validation can be
useful at least to keep good
practices.
B. Add an exception for the translation pages
+1, simplest one.
For me we have the following options:
A) We don’t think that this check is useful, ie that it brings
advantages for
people with disabilities and then we can remove it. No need
to add exceptions.
B) We think the check is useful for people with disabilities and we
should keep
it, even for translations pages since I don’t see why people
with disabilities shouldn’t be able to use translation pages. There are
some ideas to fix this: I listed some in the jira issue and Thomas
mentioned one too (it’s option D).
C) Now I’m fine if we say the following: for
technical reasons it’s
already hard to ensure that we pass WCAG for user pages and
thus FTM we
focus only on those ones and we agree that we don’t pass WCAG for
developer-oriented features, with the goal of improving on that aspect in
the future. And thus we disable WCAG checks on technical pages (hidden
pages) for now.
Excluding hidden page for now is indeed something that
would make a
lot of sense.
I agree. The issue is that we can have hidden pages that:
* are not displayed by default (I'm thinking panels)
* are included / displayed dynamically with JavaScript so they won't appear
in the HTML downloaded by our WCAG tests (I'm thinking of async panels and
modals for instance)
So they won't be covered.
Thanks
-Vincent
>
>> C. Triggers the error only if more than 2 consecutive breaks is
>> encountered
>
> -1, it doesn't really makes sense to do that, it's like B. but badly
done.
>
>> D. Create a rendering syntax dedicated to translation pages
>
> +1, could be a good idea but might be complicated.
>
>>
>>
>> A. Remove completely the validation check
>>
>> pros:
>> * the easiest one
>> * apparently the rule is not checked in other accessibility test, so
>> its real purpose for accessibility is unclear
>>
>> cons:
>> * IMO this rule is useful for checking the good practice of not
using
>> <br />
>>
>> B. Add an exception for the translation pages
>>
>> pros:
>> * same as for A
>>
>> cons:
>> * ?
>>
>> C. Triggers the error only if more than 2 consecutive breaks is
encountered
>>
>> pros:
>> * ?
>>
>> cons:
>> * we would miss some consecutive <br /> that are used only for style
>> and we would catch some others in translations if we do 3 linebreaks
>> instead of 2. IMO it's only moving the problem
>>
>> D. Create a rendering syntax dedicated to translation pages
>>
>> pros:
>> * remove completely the problem of consecutive <br /> in
translations
> *
can maybe be used to present them in another way?
>
> cons:
> * need to develop/test/maintain a new rendering syntax
>
> I'd personnaly vote like this:
> A: +0
> B: +1
> C: -1
> D: +0
>
> WDYT?
>
> Simon
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> Software Engineer at XWiki SAS
> simon.urli(a)xwiki.com
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