Re: [xwiki-devs] Home Page - Use cases, proposals, what we have until now and what we want to achieve

Hi all, After having read all proposals, personally I prefer proposal #1. To avoid issue with editing dashboard as it is included from another page, I would clearly remove this inclusion and make Main.WebHome a real (autonomous) dashboard with no link with Main.Dashboard. There is room for 2 dashboards (the wiki dashboard and the wiki home page dashboard :) ). I prefer this proposal because it improves long-running "issues" (or limitations) of the wysiwyg editor, which on another side is great. I also prefer it because IMHO editing macros should feel natural in XWiki because they are a great feature and there is / should be nothing technical with a rendering macro. For wysiwyg/inline, I'm not sure why, when you are not advanced user, you can't choose between both. To me "edit" action should default to wysiwyg (or wiki depending on configuration), and IF there is some content that can be edited inline, you should have something else to click (button, link, pencil icon ...) to edit it "inline" and it switches the whole page to inline mode. Also "Edit / Inline form" is weird name in some cases, when I edit inline the dashboard, I don't feel I'm editing a form... Proposal #2: to me a proper UI for the include macro configuration in wysiwyg (so, proposal #1), could in the end be very similar to this proposal (like, I click edit, it opens wysiwyg, I click edit on include macro, and I can select a page from a list or table or a page suggest or whatever). Proposal #3: I like the part about explaining the concepts, but it could be done without removing the dashboard, in fact it seems to be 2 different things. Also it's nice to have those descriptions on home page, but when first user has read them (wether he's the admin or not), when he customize the page he will remove them and ... they'll be lost for all other users ? I'd prefer to have a question-mark icon somewhere to click to get some help, that would start with explaining xwiki concepts, and then provide some links to go deeper. By the way it's surprising, on a fresh XWiki install, to see that there is no "help" entry nowhere in the UI, not any question-mark icon, or help menu entry. You get some help only once you edit a page, and only on wiki syntax. There is the "Getting started" link on the default home page, but it contains mainly a screenshot of the default home page (that I could have changed already, so for new comers of my site, this getting started would be confusing) with some numbers, difficult to consult as I have to scroll to see the numbers and their description. To me xwiki is not just a site or just a wiki, it's a highly interactive site, with many features from "basic" to "very advanced": it deserves a better help system ;-) (note: just discovered the help center proposal [1] below, see comments on proposal #5 also) Proposal #4: I don't see how it solves issue with editing home page, it merely simplifies peeking any page as a home page. Along with proposal #2, I would say that everyone seem to find that there are too many concepts, too technical, etc, but those proposals continue to add new concepts on top of existing ones, and are pretty much useless if it's deadly simple to edit an include macro. Also I find it buries navigation inside configuration, and destroys habit of current users about "WebHome is a home page". It also seems like a workaround, like: "if it's hard to edit a page, peek another one". Proposal #5: I really like the Help Center proposal [1] in fact :) But I think it's // with other proposals in fact, having more help won't solve home page editing issues, but it could greatly improve overall end-user experience (in any case). BR, Jeremie [1] - http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HelpCenter 2014-10-13 11:27 GMT+02:00 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt;gt;: