3 Oct
2014
3 Oct
'14
1:04 p.m.
Hi,
Some notes about the proposal:
- I like the 'Add' represented as '+' and after the Wiki/Space/Page
breadcrumb, because is somehow consistent with the '+' (More applications)
from the AppBar. Provides a way to create elements of a particular type in
the near vicinity where the elements are displayed.
- Although I know there will be some initial findability issues for the
'Add', after the user founds it I don't think it will have problems finding
it again. We can improve the findability by finally providing an
Introductory Wizard. Except for the initial moments when you learn XWiki, I
don't see the point of having a very distinctive style for 'Add' and I
would prefer to go on the consistent/integrated with the other navbar
elements direction.
- The same comment about a distinctive style for 'Search'. IMO 'Search'
should look integrated in the .navbar.
- I dislike the idea of having multiple 'Add' buttons. Also the 'Add -
Comment to page' and 'Add - Attachment to page' are part of the Colibri
skin, but IMO were 'close to never' used. I remember a bug on them that
made them unusable and we discovered it after some years or something. Also
I don't think we should provide buttons for all the functionality we can
think of, but leave them be created from their context. I prefer having
buttons just for the generic and base concepts of XWiki (in the try of
keeping it minimal and simple).
- We are kind of going a bit too crazy about brainstorming and ideas. The
only conclusion we need to reach is if for Flamingo we move the button back
top.
Thanks,
Caty
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Big +1 for Var3 for the simple fact that it looks like
a "holistic"/global
approach that does not only focus on a specific element, like the "Add"
button and currently falls into the mistake of making it a bright shiny
beacon to misguided users, resulting in something that is overall
disturbing to the eye. Same can be said about the "Search" element, since
it now reduces the heavy contrast of both the search input (bright white on
dark background) and its search button (bright colored blue on dark
background).
About the Search button (re: Jeremie): Because it is the first element in
its group, it will show to the left and no other elements will be
disturbed, so the transition will be nice for users. Basically the expand
search button (the magnifying glass) becomes a button once you expand it,
so there should be no flicker or anything like that.
- As an alternative, if we really are against
transitions/animations/expandable elements/etc, we could just present the
search as directly expanded (classic way), but still keep the darker input
color to avoid the "kitch" effect described above due to high contrasts.
About the + (Add) button, IMO, the only thing we could do more if we really
want to emphasize it in an *elegant* fashion, would be to make the + sign
itself green, or with some green border, whatever. Whatever we do, we
should try to consider Caty's opinion on style here since she might have a
better eye and this proposal here seems to be towards that direction.
IMO, one very interesting thing to note is the extended (3.4) version and
long term view that we also need to take into account and, at least to me,
that looks really slick.
I think we should stick to the original intent of this Flamingo skin, with
the addition of Bootstrap's style, and keep it slick, minimalistic and to
the point. The users should focus more on the content instead of the UI,
don`t u think?
------
On a related note, If you ask me, I would be in favor of also removing the
labels from "Edit" and "More actions" and just go with the *all too
obvious* "pencil" and "cog" icons. GMail uses the "cog"
icon with 0
problems and I kind of trust that their UX army did their research and
impact studies for that :)
Also, on matters of "consistency" we would achieve the following statement:
"Actions have only icons, while entities have an icon and a label that
displays the entity's name".
- Actions: add, edit, search, more actions, etc.
- Entities (with dropdown menu for actions on the entries): wiki, space,
page, user.
------
Let's keep this skin clean and a pleasure to work on/with, WDYT?
Thanks,
Eduard
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com
first
> > > time* they tried to do something. The realization is that this is
one
and
the
see
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
wrote:
Hi,
I've created this proposal
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/FlamingoAddMenuLocation
Please read it and give your opinion on it. The proposal is based on
discussed solution, but improves a bit the styling.
If you are curious how I reached some of the proposal's conclusions, you
can see it's iterations
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/FlamingoAddMenuLocationIter…
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <guillaume(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > actually one thing we could try is this:
> >
> > - *Keep the "Add" button where it is and use it for page-related
> > actions:*
> > - "Add child page"
> > - "Add comment" (as suggested by Denis)
> > - "Add attachment" (as suggested by Denis)
> >
> >
> > - *Add a "Create" button in the top bar, with 2/3 options:*
> > - "Create page" (TBD)
> > - "Create space"
> > - "Create wiki"
> > - In this case, after clicking "Create" the user would be
presented
> with
> > a page / modal box listing existing instances as well as available
> > templates
> >
> > I think this would solve both my issues (having less-frequent actions
in
> the same location as a more-frequent one,
not being in the right place
on
> > the page) and GuillaumeD's wife issue (the "Add" button is easy
to find
> > where it is right now, why move it?).
> >
> > WDYT?
> >
> > Guillaume
> > ᐧ
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:48 PM, vincent(a)massol.net <vincent(a)massol.net
>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2 Oct 2014 at 13:31:56, Eduard Moraru (enygma2002(a)gmail.com
(mailto:
enygma2002(a)gmail.com)) wrote:
> On that note:
> The funny/sad thing to realise is that we are basing all this
discussion
> on
> > the fact that some users did not find the "Add" button *only the
of
> > those things (idioms[1][2]) that you learn once and know how to
easily
> do
> > > the next 1000x times (like riding a bike).
> > >
> > > The real problem appears when you are in those "next 1000x time"
> you
> > > find it cumbersome to use (like riding a bike with no saddle, or
with
the
> > saddle on backwards :) ). So in both cases (top or middle of the
page)
> once
> > you find it once, you will find it again, however in the middle of
the
> page
> > it conflicts too often with the Edit button and other page related
> actions,
> > that it becomes cumbersome to use.
>
> Indeed that’s something I had in mind too. If you just ask to add a
page
> > and that’s all then you’re not doing a full test. You’d need to ask > > user to:
> > - add a page
> > - delete a page
> > - move a page
> > - create a space
> > - etc
> >
> > And then only you can draw some conclusion IMO.
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Eduard
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > [1] http://thor.info.uaic.ro/~evalica/hci/L2/
> > > [2]
> >
https://www.englishforums.com/English/IdiomsVsMetaphors/cqwl/post.htm
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:47 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 2 Oct 2014 at 11:06:00, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau (
> > > > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have done the "test-on-my-wife" thing :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > She finds it more intuitive to add a page from the current
page,
so
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > current location, instead of the "black bar that gives the
> > impression of
> > > > > not beeing a part of that page" (that she did not manage to
find
by
should
> > > > herself).
> > > >
> > > > I then explained that the buttons inside the page only concern
the
> > > > actions
> > > > > that you can do on that page, meanwhile adding a new page be
> > put
> > > > in
> > > > > an other location. She did not like this logic :)
> > > >
> > > > So with this logic we should remove the top bar completely and
move
> all
> > > > actions inside the page, i.e. have only 1 menu inside the page.
> > Because if
> > > > she couldn’t find the Add button there she also wouldn’t be able
to
>
find
> > > all wiki-related actions, space-related actions and more
importantly
> > > **page-related** actions like copy
page, rename page or delete
page…
> > > >
> > > > Also would be fun to ask your wife to try using Confluence and if
> > she
> > > > fails to create a page there too.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > -Vincent
> > > >
> > > > > Users' logic and developer's logic are not the same. I
like the
> > current
> > > > > location too, except that we should propose "create
page"
before
> > "create
> > > > > wiki".
> > > > >
> > > > > I really would like to have some feedback of normal users, with
> the 2
> > > > > proposals. We, as developers, are not good at making things
that
look
> > > > simple for other people, so we should not take this decision
alone.
> >
>
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Guillaume Delhumeau
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs