1 Oct
2014
1 Oct
'14
11:04 a.m.
Hi,
ᐧ
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <
gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
So basically, you want:
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/25ad0704-563e-41cd-bbf2-72c371912245.jpg
That would be very cool yes :-)
Maybe we could launch a vote on this?
And as Edy pointed it out, the next step after this would be an improved
"create" action with more info about the context (list of spaces, list of
available templates...). With Flamingo, maybe we could also make that
"create" step a modal box (same as for the export button) rather than an
intermediate page.
Thanks,
Guillaume
2014-10-01 10:46 GMT+02:00 vincent(a)massol.net
<vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
is
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/948c4f24-2485-4b33-8452-1e6e1a2d6c74…
page,
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/File+Manager+Applicati…
the
selection
single
column
that
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Unique+Identification+…
screen
the
On 1 Oct 2014 at 10:09:00, Guillaume Lerouge (guillaume(a)xwiki.com
(mailto:
guillaume(a)xwiki.com)) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> after discussing with Vincent this morning we came to a suggestion that
> would fix my issue with the current location of the add button. The
idea
would be
to move the search bar to the left of the menu, and put the
"Add"
> button in its place.
>
> Crude image explanation here:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/hrxlj6n6pztigic/AddButton-Search.png
>
> This way the "Add" button is back in a global menu, not in a menu that
contextual to the page, yet it stays very visible. In addition to this,
since "Create wiki" is visible only to authorized users, it's not too
much
in the way. Last item: this solves the issue of
having the "Edit" and
"More
actions" buttons separated from one
another.
WDYT?
Sounds the best to me! :) I never really liked the move of the Create
button in the page contextual menu (doesn’t make sense to me).
FYI here’s what they have for:
- confluence:
- jira:
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/b8803c9b-4ea7-43dd-a2ed-1226080074f2…
Thanks
-Vincent
> Guillaume
> ᐧ
>
> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eduard Moraru wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Guillaume Lerouge
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > > valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <
> > > > me(a)guillaumelerouge.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > > > > valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <
> > > > guillaume(a)xwiki.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Marius,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea
<
> > > > > > > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Guillaume
Lerouge <
> > > > > > guillaume(a)xwiki.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi again,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Guillaume
"Louis-Marie"
> >
> > Delhumeau <
> > > > > > > > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> Hi Eddy,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> 2014-09-25 11:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard Moraru
<
> > enygma2002(a)gmail.com
> > > >:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > Hi devs,
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > I`m not sure if we already have a
discussion started
on
> this
> > > > > topic,
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > > >> > my opinion, it's long overdue. I see
people start
being
> > > confused
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > >> > questions like this [1] start to be
asked.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > The new location of the Add menu in
Flamingo is
> problematic
> > > IMO
> > > > > for
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > >> > various number of reasons:
> > > > > > > >> > - It falsely gives the impression that
it adds
> page-related
> > > > > entries
> > > > > > > (i.e.
> > > > > > > >> > related to the current page), due to its
current
location
> > > > (i.e.
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >> page
> > > > > > > > >> > content)
> > > > > > > > >> > - It conflicts with AWM`s "Add
new Entry" button
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > More generally speaking, this is true for a
lot of
> > livetables.
> > > We
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > need a generic "Create" button to
be available when we
> > > > instantiate
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > livetable. This could be useful for the wiki
index for
> > > the
> > > > > user
> > > > > > > > > directory, for all the AWM homepages...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I guess you like the files live table from the
File
Manager
>
then
> > :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> >
> > > > > . Would be interesting to have such a toolbar (with
support for
> > > > custom
> > > > > > > buttons) before the live table don't you think?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > IMO the toolbar's functionality is already covered by the
> 'Actions'
> > > > column
> > > > > in the livetable. The only thing missing is the
'Create'
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure this is the same use case. I can see at least 3
reasons
> > > why:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > IMO it's exactly the same use case, the only difference is that
> >
Actions
> > > column was used as an intermediate solution because we didn't had
bulk
> > > > actions in livetable (the ability to make multiple entity > > > > (checkbox) - that's why
we duplicate the entries on each row).
> > > >
> > >
> > > Great, this means that we agree on the fact that the "Actions"
column
> >
should be replaced by a "Select" column with checkboxes in it, and
also
> > that Marius' horizontal livetable
toolbar should be expanded to be
used
> in
> > a generic fashion by all livetables :-)
> >
>
> Not completely replaced because not all operations/actions can be
performed
> > in bulk fashion. Take the 'edit' action and notice that it is a >
element action compared to 'delete'.
>
> A different situation exists for the 'rename' action since it is more
of a
> single element action, but can be presented
as a bulk action as well
if you
> > provide some kind of renaming template like '_'.
> >
> > In other words, both the bulk operations toolbar and the actions > have
their right place in the livetable IMO and having a checkbox
column
> > like Marius did for the FM livetable looks like the right way to go.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eduard
> >
> > >
> > > Guillaume
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Caty
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 1/ The "create" button would generate a new entry,
whereas the
> > > "actions"
> > > > > column is for actions that are related to individual entries
> >
already
> > > > exist
> > > > 2/ The "actions" column can be removed by the livetable
creator
> > > > 3/ The toolbar would also be useful to handle bulk actions on
pages
> > such
> > > as
> > > > "delete selected entries" (as in the file manager)
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > > Guillaume
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Caty
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Yes and yes :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Guillaume
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Basically the button would let the user create a
new
item of
> > the
> > > > same
> > > > > > > type
> > > > > > > > than the items displayed in the livetable. Right
now we
do
> this
> > > in
> > > > an
> > > > > > > > ad-hoc fashion, so it would be great to have a
generic
> > solution.
> > > > It's
> > > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > related to the automatic page name generation
module
(that we
> > > don't
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > the core yet, though there's an extensions
doing it
> > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Guillaume
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > - from my POV, looking at the page
from a far, the
new
> > > > location
> > > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > >> > completely randomly selected:
> > > > > > > > >> > -- It's not on the left/top (as
left-to-right
language
> >
> specific
> > > > > > brains
> > > > > > > >> are
> > > > > > > >> > trained to follow)
> > > > > > > >> > -- it's not exactly at the top
either
> > > > > > > >> > -- it's not at the right
> > > > > > > >> > -- it's not next to the type of
elements it creates
(i.e.
> > > next
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >> > WIKI/SPACE/PAGE)
> > > > > > > > >> > -- it basically is almost in the
middle of the > >
> > > > > >> > - etc. (i.e. others that don`t come right now to my
mind)
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Personally, I like the fact that it is
located near Edit
I
> > > > button,
> > > > > > > even
> > > > > > > >> if it does not concern the current page.
Because it
groups
> the
> > > > most
> > > > > > > basic
> > > > > > > >> and useful actions that you need when you
want to
> contribute:
> > > > EDIT,
> > > > > > ADD.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> To me, it makes sense.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > I`d like to open a discussion on this,
since it's
quite an
> > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > >> aspect
> > > > > > > > >> > of the UI and, due to it's
shiny green color (which like
> > > > :)),
> > > > > > it`s
> > > > > > > > hard
> > > > > > > > >> > to miss.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > Is it just me who's resistant
to change, or do
others
see
--
Guillaume Delhumeau (gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
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> > > > > problem
> > > > > > > here
> > > > > > > >> > with this as well?
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Thanks,
> > > > > > > >> > Eduard
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