12 Jan
2016
12 Jan
'16
6:08 p.m.
Hi Caty,
On 12 Jan 2016 at 15:53:35, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
(valicac@gmail.com(mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 9:18 AM, vincent(a)massol.net
wrote:
So basically this would mean having a configuration option to allow to choose between A)
and C).
Some remarks:
* We should not mix “developers” with “advanced user”. I can’t see on the screenshot the
various profile values. Is there an “Advanced User” profile?
* The problem will be the same IMO since we’d need to define a default for the “Extra
Editor Modes” property for the “developer” profile:
** If it’s “true” by default then we have A) by default. It allows advanced users who
don’t want to see several editors to not see them (i.e. C))
** If it’s “false” by default then we have C) by default and we loose discoverability and
advanced would need to turn it on to see several editors (i.e. A)).
At this point in time I have the feeling this config option would be overkill. We should
choose between A) and C).
Could you explain again why you think that advanced users should not see all the available
editors? On my side, it seems logical that if there are multiple editors available (i.e.
set as available by the admin) then advanced users should see them by default.
Let’s see what others think.
Thanks
-Vincent
On 12 Jan 2016 at 07:30:34, Marius Dumitru Florea (
mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com(mailto:mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com))
wrote:
content.
+1 for C
For advanced users a solution would be to have the discusses Roles (like
Developer role, see
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/UserRoles/developer…)
and decide on the best settings for advanced users (hidden, editor, etc.)
and instead of manually selecting all the preferences, just loading the
role settings.
+ the discussions when we provide another default user (not just Admin): we
could have a user for normal users and another user for developers
(although maybe 3 default users is too much). On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Marius Dumitru
Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> Hi devs,
>
> I'm working on integrating CKEditor in XWiki and I'm wondering how the
> Edit menu should reflect the fact that there are multiple editors
> available. I see two options:
>
> (A) List all the available content editors in the Edit menu (note that
the
> menu is visible only for advanced users).
E.g. Wiki, GWT WYSIWYG,
CKEditor
>
> PROS:
> * easier to implement (because there is already an UIX for this)
> * easier to discover new content editors (e.g. after an admin installs
an
> extension that provides a content editor)
> * ability to try a different content editor than the one configured
(i.e.
> without updating the configuration)
>
> CONS:
> * the (advanced) user might not know, at first, which content editor to
> choose from the Edit menu
> * once the user has a preferred editor the other content editor entries
> become noise (the user may want to hide them)
>
> (B) List only the edit modes in the Edit menu. E.g. Wiki, WYSIWYG
>
> PROS:
> * easier to choose the edit mode (wiki/source vs. WYSIWYG)
> * less crowded Edit menu (easier to scan, no noise)
>
> CONS:
> * the user needs to edit his profile to discover the available editors
for
Wiki/WYSIWYG modes
* harder to try the new content editors (you need to update the
configuration)
While discussing with Caty and Edy on this topic, Caty suggested another
option:
(C) Replace "Wiki" and "WYSIWYG" entries with a *single* entry
"Content",
i.e. show only one entry in the Edit menu for editing the document This is consistent with the existing entries
"Access Rights", "Objects",
"Class".
PROS
* simplified and consistent Edit menu
* easier to implement than B (similar difficulty as A probably)
CONS
* the user needs to edit his profile to discover the available editors:
Wiki, WYSIWYG, CKEditor, Real-time etc.
* harder to try the new content editors (you need to update the
configuration)
* the developers will complain there's no direct link to Wiki editor
(which
loads faster) but they can always configure their
profile. Moreover, the
current WYSIWYG editor and the CKEditor offers a way to edit the source,
it's just that you need to wait longer for the editor to load (because
the
editor is heavier).
At the very least, in this solution each available editor should have a
keyboard shortcut.
I’m not fond of this option for advanced users (it’s ok for simple users).
Thanks,
Caty
>
> It’s already a major PITA to switch on/off hidden docs, and I can imagine
> the same hassle for switching editors. As an advanced user, I constantly
> switch editors (wiki, wysiwyg). The shortcuts may offer a good-enough
> alternative but it means each editor extension would need to come with a
> shortcut (or have some generic 3-letter shortcuts such as ctrl + E + 1 for
> editor 1, ctrl + E + 2 for editor 2, etc) and this is not that easy.
>
> Note that this issue with shortcuts also exists in the other solutions (A).
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> > > Let's see what we need for each option:
> > >
> > > (A) Needs:
> > > * UIX in the Edit menu (already available)
> > > * 1 configuration option ("editing.content.defaultEditor") to
configure
> > > the default editor (at farm/wiki/space/user level). We can probably
> extend
> > > the "Default editor to use" preference from the user profile to
show
> all
> > > the available content editors.
> > >
> > > (B) Needs:
> > > * 3 configuration options:
> > > ** default edit mode (Wiki vs. WYSIWYG), already available in the user
> > > profile
> > > ** default Wiki mode editor (only one editor for now so we can skip it)
> > > ** default WYSIWYG mode editor (GWT-based vs. CKEditor)
> > >
> >
> > (C) Needs:
> > * 1 configuration option ("editing.content.defaultEditor") to
configure
> the
> > default editor (at farm/wiki/space/user level). We can probably extend
> the
> > "Default editor to use" preference from the user profile to show all
the
> > available content editors.
> >
> > I'm ok with both A and C.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Marius
> >
> >
> > > I'm leaning towards option (A). WDYT?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Marius
> > >