14 Oct
2011
14 Oct
'11
1:03 p.m.
Let's say I'm ok with the list - but not very happy about the secrecy trend.
Thanks,
Caty
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 13:34, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Denis Gervalle
<dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
could
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On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:33, Guillaume Lerouge
<guillaume(a)xwiki.com
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> after thinking about it (and an IRL discussion with Vincent) here's my
> updated point of view on this:
>
> - Have a private mailing list for committers
> - If a committer feels that it's time for a contributor to become a
> committer, he suggests her on the private mailing list
> - Discussion on the private list ensues, committers decide whether
the
> contributor is ready or not
> - If the contributor is not deemed ready, the process stops
> - If the contributor is deemed ready, the proposer talks to her
privately
> and asks her whether she would be
interested in becoming a committer
> - If she's not interested, the process stops
> - If she's interested, a public vote is launched on the devs
mailing
> list
>
> This way the vote is still public and non-committers can voice their
> feedback, but there is a central location for the initial discussion
> (instead of the proposer having to go and talk to every committer
privately
> on Skype, IRC and the like). We also keep the
benefits of people
standing
publicly
by their votes.
WDYT?
I have refrain myself from adding to the discussion until now since I was
strongly -1 initially, but presented this way, I am now +1. I would add
that, anything that a commiter do not feel ready for public discussion be discussed on this private ML, but that nothing
could be decide there
without a public vote. This is already what we could do by skype or other
direct discussion, and it therefore does not change anything to the
current
transparency of the project governance.
IMO it's good to have this mailing list for a simple reason: if any
committer need to say something to other committers and is not yet
comfortable making it public it should definitely be sent to this
mailing list instead of nothing. We can always decide to move the
discussion to the public mailing list after. Be it about new committer
or anything else.
Denis
>
> Guillaume
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 4:18 AM, Jerome Velociter <
jerome(a)winesquare.net
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I know Vincent retracted this vote for now, but just for the record
> > and for the balance, I would definitely have +1'd.
> > I support especially the point that it's tough to express reserves on
> > someone's work publicly, even in an open world. And that in the end we
> > might tend to just not do it when we should.
> >
> > Jerome
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi devs,
> > >
> > > There are a few topics that are not supposed to be public or that
would
> > be better be not public.
> > >
> > > One such topic is when we want to VOTE someone as a committer. It's
> very
> > uncomfortable to do this in the open for the following reasons:
> > > * committers are tempted to VOTE +1 since voting negatively is seen
> > publicly, including by the person being voted on
> > > * it's very undelicate to have this in the open especially if the
> person
> > is voted down since that'll affect that person's morale and future
> > participation in the project
> > >
> > > So I'd like to propose creating a committers(a)xwiki.org list with
the
following characteristics:
> * private, visible only to committers
>
> I also propose it to use it for voting committers.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
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