11 Jan
2016
11 Jan
'16
6:26 p.m.
On 11 Jan 2016 at 18:23:03, Eduard Moraru
(enygma2002@gmail.com(mailto:enygma2002@gmail.com)) wrote:
Hi,
IMO, option B feels like "the right way". It's clean and does not affect
the productivity of neither advanced users, since just like the fact that
not all advanced users are developers, neither are they all testers :)
Additionally, option B also intorduces a nice structure in the UIXs of the
editors which would become very handy for the developers of future editors.
Right now, it's just a pile of editors (no grouping), while we have clearly
identified "categories" for editors (WYSIWYG, Wiki source, object, class,
etc.).
I also realize that the effort in having B done right is considerably
larger than doing A so maybe another (less ideal but more realistic) option
would be to aim/plan for B in future iterations and just do A for now,
since resources are limited.
Regarding the name for the old WYSIWYG editor... we`re lucky right now that
only advanced users might be exposed to whatever we come up with :)
:)
Option B is not just for advanced users AFAICS. It just means that the editor names are
visible in the Admin UI (admins) and in the User Profile pages (all users).
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Eduard
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 4:09 PM,
vincent(a)massol.net
wrote:
editor.
available
can
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On 11 Jan 2016 at 15:08:12, vincent(a)massol.net (vincent(a)massol.net
(mailto:
vincent(a)massol.net)) wrote:
go
Note that if the admin doesn’t want to show
multiple editors to its
user, he should not install multiple editors either :)
(ofc there’s a problem right now in that the current editor is not an
extension
that you can uninstall).
For advanced users, I still think it’s best to show all the active
editors (in
addition to the default which is set by the admin - We could
have “(Default)” next to it in the menu. With UC3 the admin can decide
whether he wants to make only 1 editor avail or several.
Which is kind of nice if you want to let your users testdrive some new
editor (such as the Realtime one for example - it’d be a pain to have to back to the your profile and constantly switch
back and forth between
editors)
The purpose of users is to get the job done, not test and experiment with
different editors.
Thanks,
Caty
Thanks
Vincent
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>
> On 11 Jan 2016 at 14:52:46, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (
valicac(a)gmail.com
(mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
that
> Hi,
>
> I prefer B: I prefer to have things simpler for the user, while
providing
> > power to the administrator.
> >
> > There can be multiple extensions that integrate themselves inside menu
this
> (like the real-time editor) but I don't
see that as a benefit for the
user,
> but more confusing about all the types of
editors.
>
> We already have 3 modes: WYSIWYG, Wiki, Inline + Objects + Class ....
we
> need to find ways to simplify that, rather
than adding more things in
the
> menu (even if only for advanced users).
>
> The administrator should select the preferred editor from
Configuration -
> Edit Mode Settings - Editor - Default Editor
(for the farm or per
wiki).
> The user will use the default value provided
by admin or overwrite it
from
> his User Preferences (if he is advanced and
knows about the existence
of
> > multiple editors).
> > By default we should select the recommended editor to be used and > > should be changed just in exceptional /
desired cases.
> >
> > Having multiple editors available is not something a normal user
would
care
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com
> about and doesn't provide
additional/different benefits for the user.
> Important is to provide the best tool by default.
>
> When adding the CKEditor first you will need to configure the wiki in
order
> to use it. After a testing period we can
change the default editor if
we'd
> like.
>
> Off topic: I think that the Page syntax preference in the Document
> Information should be removed. There are not that many variations
between
> 2.0 and 2.1 and I don't see why a normal
user would care or want to
chance
> > the syntax. The users should rely on the default/recommended and the
> > default is configured from Administration.
> >
> > Comment A: "GWT WYSIWYG" that would look super cryptic :)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Caty
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:27 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11 Jan 2016 at 14:16:40, Marius Dumitru Florea (
> > > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com(mailto: ))
contributes
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:00 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Marius,
> > > >
> > > > I prefer to think in term of use cases. Here are the ones I see
as
> > > > important on this topic and
that I think we need to ensure that
we
> > > > > implement:
> > > > >
> > > > > UC1: Ability for admins to install an extension that a new
configuration
> > > > editor
> > > > UC2: Ability for admins to select which editor is the default
editor
> > > for
> > > > > their users in a given wiki (note that ideally this > > > should be
> > > > > per wiki for the farm use case)
> > > > > UC3: Ability for admins to decide which editors are active
(i.e.
which
probably).
> > > > editors users will be able to
configure or use). For example it
should
> > be
> > > > possible to completely replace the GWT-based WYSIWYG by
CKEeditor and
> > > > preventing any user from
using the GWT-based WYSIWYG editor.
> > > > UC4: Ability for a user (simple or advanced) to explicitly
decide which
> > > > > default editors he/she’ll use (in his/her user profile > >
Should
> > > > override the editor selected in UC2 (but they should only see
editors
> > that
> > > > are active, cf UC3)
> > > > UC5: Ability for an advanced user to choose on the spot
(on-demand) the
> > > > > editor to use to edit a given page, bypassing the default > > > Should
> > > > > override the editor selected in UC4.
> > > > >
> > > > > WDYT?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > All these use cases are covered by both A and B so it doesn't
help
me
wondering
> > > choose one or the other. My
question is more how to implement
these use
> > > cases: using A or B?
> >
> > Ok cool if they’re covered by A and B (it wasn’t mentioned in your
email…).
> >
> > Note that currently there’s no default choice anymore for advanced
users
> > when they edit a page and we’d need to
put that back (that’s UC4).
> >
> > Apart from this, I think I prefer A) than B).
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > -Vincent
> > > >
> > > > On 11 Jan 2016 at 12:31:12, Marius Dumitru Florea (
> > > > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com(mailto:
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com))
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi devs,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm working on integrating CKEditor in XWiki and
I'm how
editor
> > the
> > > > Edit
> > > > > menu should reflect the fact that there are multiple editors
> > available. I
> > > > > see two options:
> > > > >
> > > > > (A) List all the available content editors in the Edit menu
(note
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > menu is visible only for advanced users). E.g. Wiki, GWT
WYSIWYG,
> > > > CKEditor
> > > > >
> > > > > PROS:
> > > > > * easier to implement (because there is already an UIX for
this)
> > > > > * easier to discover new
content editors (e.g. after an admin
> > installs an
> > > > > extension that provides a content editor)
> > > > > * ability to try a different content editor than the one
configured
> > (i.e.
> > > > > without updating the configuration)
> > > > >
> > > > > CONS:
> > > > > * the (advanced) user might not know, at first, which content
editor
> > > to
> > > > > > choose from the Edit menu
> > > > > > * once the user has a preferred editor the other content
> >
entries
> > > > > become noise (the user may want to hide them)
> > > > >
> > > > > (B) List only the edit modes in the Edit menu. E.g. Wiki,
WYSIWYG
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PROS:
> > > > > > * easier to choose the edit mode (wiki/source vs. WYSIWYG)
> > > > > > * less crowded Edit menu (easier to scan, no noise)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > CONS:
> > > > > > * the user needs to edit his profile to discover the > > > editors
> > > > > for
> > > > > > Wiki/WYSIWYG modes
> > > > > > * harder to try the new content editors (you need to update
the
> > > > > > configuration)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let's see what we need for each option:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (A) Needs:
> > > > > > * UIX in the Edit menu (already available)
> > > > > > * 1 configuration option
("editing.content.defaultEditor") to
> > > configure
> > > > > the
> > > > > > default editor (at farm/wiki/space/user level). We can
probably
> >
extend
> > > > the
> > > > > "Default editor to use" preference from the user
profile to
show all
> > the
> > > > > available content editors.
> > > > >
> > > > > (B) Needs:
> > > > > * 3 configuration options:
> > > > > ** default edit mode (Wiki vs. WYSIWYG), already available in
the
> > > user
> > > > > > profile
> > > > > > ** default Wiki mode editor (only one editor for now so we
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> > it)
> > > > > ** default WYSIWYG mode editor (GWT-based vs. CKEditor)
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm leaning towards option (A). WDYT?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Marius
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