1 Oct
2014
1 Oct
'14
12:13 p.m.
On 1 Oct 2014 at 12:08:23, Denis Gervalle (dgl@softec.lu(mailto:dgl@softec.lu)) wrote:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Guillaume
"Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <
gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Yes that one looks very cool to me but... :)
I wonder if the name would not be better to be "Create”.
Yes I completely agree about that.
Since, I think we still need an another button in the
page called "Add" to
add to the page:
* annotations using modal (you may select, than use the button normally)
* comment using a modal (without having to scroll to the bottom)
* attachement using a modal (without having to scroll to the bottom),
* objects using a modal (without necessarily needing to load all existing
objects for edit, so a page could show objects without having to manage
addition of new ones, AWSeconds)
This way, the extradoc tabs could be hidden, independently of the
comment/attachment functionality, and the pain of scrolling to the bottom
is removed. It give also some logic to those button, with a non-contextual
create button, and a contextual add button. We could then allow application
to hook both of them depending on their needs.
Why not, but I’d like to separate the 2 issues so that we can move on quickly ;)
Thanks
-Vincent
Another, a bit off-topic, remarks, is that in the More
actions, annotation
should be isolated, and work like a toggle to display/hide them (including
the author filter box and the tooltips), without needing to click a
seperate checkbox.
WDYT ?
2014-10-01 10:59 GMT+02:00 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <
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2014-10-01 10:46 GMT+02:00 vincent(a)massol.net :
>
> On 1 Oct 2014 at 10:09:00, Guillaume Lerouge (guillaume(a)xwiki.com
(mailto:
> guillaume(a)xwiki.com)) wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > after discussing with Vincent this morning we came to a suggestion
that
> > would fix my issue with the current
location of the add button. The
idea
> > would be to move the search bar to the
left of the menu, and put the
> "Add"
> > button in its place.
> >
> > Crude image explanation here:
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/hrxlj6n6pztigic/AddButton-Search.png
> >
> > This way the "Add" button is back in a global menu, not in a menu
that
> is
> > contextual to the page, yet it stays very visible. In addition to
this,
> > since "Create wiki" is visible
only to authorized users, it's not too
> much
> > in the way. Last item: this solves the issue of having the "Edit" and
> "More
> > actions" buttons separated from one another.
> >
> > WDYT?
>
> Sounds the best to me! :) I never really liked the move of the Create
> button in the page contextual menu (doesn’t make sense to me).
>
> FYI here’s what they have for:
> - confluence:
>
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/948c4f24-2485-4b33-8452-1e6e1a2d6c74…
> - jira:
>
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/b8803c9b-4ea7-43dd-a2ed-1226080074f2…
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> > Guillaume
> > ᐧ
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eduard Moraru wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Guillaume Lerouge
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > > > valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <
> > > > > me(a)guillaumelerouge.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<
> > > > > > valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Guillaume Lerouge
<
> > > > > guillaume(a)xwiki.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Marius,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Marius Dumitru
Florea <
> > > > > > > > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Guillaume
Lerouge <
> > > > > > > guillaume(a)xwiki.com>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hi again,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM,
Guillaume
> "Louis-Marie"
> > > > > > Delhumeau <
> > > > > > > > > > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> Hi Eddy,
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> 2014-09-25 11:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard
Moraru <
> > > > enygma2002(a)gmail.com
> > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> > Hi devs,
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > I`m not sure if we already have
a discussion
started
> on
> > > this
> > > > > > > topic,
> > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > > > > >> > my opinion, it's long
overdue. I see people start
> being
> > > > > confused
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > >> > questions like this [1] start
to be asked.
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > The new location of the Add
menu in Flamingo is
> > > problematic
> > > > > IMO
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > >> > various number of reasons:
> > > > > > > > > >> > - It falsely gives the
impression that it adds
> > > page-related
> > > > > > > entries
> > > > > > > > > (i.e.
> > > > > > > > > >> > related to the current page),
due to its current
> location
> > > > > (i.e.
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >> page
> > > > > > > > > >> > content)
> > > > > > > > > >> > - It conflicts with AWM`s
"Add new Entry" button
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > More generally speaking, this is true
for a lot of
> > > livetables.
> > > > We
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > need a generic "Create" button
to be available when we
> > > > > instantiate
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > livetable. This could be useful for the
wiki index
> page, for
> > > > the
> > > > > > user
> > > > > > > > > > directory, for all the AWM homepages...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I guess you like the files live table from
the File
> Manager
> > > then
> > > > :)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/File+Manager+Applicati…
> > > > > > > > > .
Would be interesting to have such a toolbar (with
> support for
> > > > > > custom
> > > > > > > > > buttons) before the live table don't you
think?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > IMO the toolbar's functionality is already covered
by the
> > > 'Actions'
> > > > > > column
> > > > > > > in the livetable. The only thing missing is the
'Create'
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not sure this is the same use case. I can see at
least 3
> reasons
> > > > why:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > IMO it's exactly the same use case, the only difference is
that
> the
> > > > Actions
> > > > > column was used as an intermediate solution because we didn't
had
> bulk
> > > > > actions in livetable (the ability to make multiple entity
> selection
> > > > > (checkbox) - that's why we duplicate the entries on each
row).
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Great, this means that we agree on the fact that the
"Actions"
> column
> > > > should be replaced by a "Select" column with checkboxes in
it, and
> also
> > > > that Marius' horizontal livetable toolbar should be expanded to
be
> used
> > > in
> > > > a generic fashion by all livetables :-)
> > > >
> > >
> > > Not completely replaced because not all operations/actions can be
> performed
> > > in bulk fashion. Take the 'edit' action and notice that it is a
single
> > > element action compared to
'delete'.
> > >
> > > A different situation exists for the 'rename' action since it is
more
> of a
> > > single element action, but can be presented as a bulk action as well
> if you
> > > provide some kind of renaming template like '_'.
> > >
> > > In other words, both the bulk operations toolbar and the actions
> column
> > > have their right place in the livetable IMO and having a checkbox
> column
> > > like Marius did for the FM livetable looks like the right way to go.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Eduard
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Guillaume
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Caty
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1/ The "create" button would generate a new entry,
whereas the
> > > > "actions"
> > > > > > column is for actions that are related to individual
entries
> that
> > > > already
> > > > > > exist
> > > > > > 2/ The "actions" column can be removed by the
livetable
creator
> > > > > > 3/ The toolbar would
also be useful to handle bulk actions on
> pages
> > > > such
> > > > > as
> > > > > > "delete selected entries" (as in the file
manager)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Guillaume
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > Caty
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes and yes :-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Guillaume
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Basically the button would let the user
create a new
> item of
> > > > the
> > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > > type
> > > > > > > > > > than the items displayed in the
livetable. Right now
we
> do
> > > this
> > > > > in
> > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > ad-hoc fashion, so it would be great to
have a generic
> > > > solution.
> > > > > > It's
> > > > > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > > > related to the automatic page name
generation module
> (that we
> > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > the core yet, though there's an
extensions doing it
> > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Unique+Identification+…
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Guillaume
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > - from my POV, looking at the
page from a far, the
> new
> > > > > location
> > > > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > > >> > completely randomly selected:
> > > > > > > > > >> > -- It's not on the left/top
(as left-to-right
> language
> > > > > specific
> > > > > > > > brains
> > > > > > > > > >> are
> > > > > > > > > >> > trained to follow)
> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not exactly at the
top either
> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not at the right
> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not next to the
type of elements it creates
> (i.e.
> > > > next
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >> > WIKI/SPACE/PAGE)
> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it basically is almost in
the middle of the
screen
> >
> > > > > > >> > - etc. (i.e. others that don`t come right now
to my
mind)
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Personally, I like the fact that it is
located near
the Edit
> > > > > button,
> > > > > > > > even
> > > > > > > > >> if it does not concern the current page.
Because it
groups
> > the
> > > > > most
> > > > > > > > basic
> > > > > > > > >> and useful actions that you need when
you want to
> > contribute:
> > > > > EDIT,
> > > > > > > ADD.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> To me, it makes sense.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > I`d like to open a discussion on
this, since it's
quite an
> > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > >> aspect
> > > > > > > > >> > of the UI and, due to it's
shiny green color (which
I like
> > > > :)),
> > > > > > it`s
> > > > > > > > hard
> > > > > > > > >> > to miss.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > Is it just me who's resistant
to change, or do
others see
> > a
> > > > > > problem
> > > > > > > > here
> > > > > > > > >> > with this as well?
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > >> > Eduard
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