28 Apr
2017
28 Apr
'17
5:02 p.m.
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
The idea is only to not loose all the mails sent to users(a)xwiki.org,
as I said mailman would not do anything anymore so the old mailing
list won't exist from mail server point of view. If you want to
receive mails you will need to tell Discourse to send them to you I
guess. Maybe Discourse can do more (like some way import mail
addresses from mailman) I don't know, I'm not the one proposing to use
it :)
On 28 Apr 2017, at 16:29, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
The archive and the mail address are two different things. It's not
because users(a)xwiki.org is redirected to something else that the old
mailman archive is not accessible anymore, it's just a web page.
I'm not proposing to replace discourse-replies(a)xwiki.org here. Again
the idea is to have mails sent to users(a)xwiki.org create new topics on
Discourse instead of returning errors, nothing else, mailman won't
accept any registration and it won't sent any mail anymore.
So if I understand you’re proposing to:
1) Decommission the users(a)xwiki.org route since right now it leads to mailman in the
infra
2) Make users(a)xwiki.org an alias for discourse-replies(a)xwiki.org
You still haven’t replied to me how the list user inside discourse will be able to post
to the users mailing list if we decommission the users(a)xwiki.org that goes to the users
list. You’re proposing to create a new route to the users list for that? On 28 Apr 2017, at 16:05, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>
>> On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:55, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:49, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>>>>> Status
>>>>> ======
>>>>>
>>>>> So I’ve progressed in this with Kevin (who’s an infra admin at XWiki
SAS).
>>>>>
>>>>> We now have an instance ready.
>>>>>
>>>>> What’s left to do:
>>>>>
>>>>> * Configure reply by email. I’m currently trying to do that with
Kevin. The principle is that you receive mail from discourse and we set in discourse a
reply-to email address so that when you reply to the mail, it goes to a mail inbox
somewhere (some gmail account for example). Then discourse is configured to check (using
POP3, they don’t seem to support IMAP ATM) that inbox and to process mails found in it and
update the topics. Note that even if we don’t configure this, users can still receive
emails for all posts but they will just need to click on the link to go the webpage and
answer. It’s not the end of the world either.
>>>>
>>>> Does it also support starting new discussion by mail or only reply ?
>>>
>>> It seems so:
>>>
>>> " You can start topics, reply to topics, have a mailing list mode where
you get an email per post on the forum or post on the category.
>>>
>>> Longer term we plan to add some "secret commands" that allow you to
like a post or flag a post via email.
>>>
>>> Overall mailing list parity is pretty high here and we support a bunch of
stuff mailing lists do not.”
>>>
>>> From https://meta.discourse.org/t/start-a-new-topic-via-email/12477/6
>>
>> In that case another idea for the migration would be to make Discourse
>> monitor users(a)xwiki.org instead of making it readonly.
>
> I thought about this but AFAIU this wouldn’t work.
>
> The email address used to reply to posts is of the form:
>
> <prefix>+<topickey>@<domain name>
>
> For example: discourse-replies+XXXXX(a)xwiki.org
For replies sure but for new topics ?
I’m not sure I understand. If the idea is to use users(a)xwiki.org instead of
discourse-replies(a)xwiki.org then yes it’s possible but this means the user list is no
longer accessible, even in readonly (we need to configure mailman and mail servers inside
XWiki SAS to not go to mailman)
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne
> and we cannot have a special list user inside discourse posting to the user list and
thus we won’t have markmail/nabble/gmane/etc archiving the new posts
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>>
>>>
>>> So I don’t think it would work to POP users(a)xwiki.org (and we don’t have a
POP-able inbox for users mail either AFAIK).
>>
>> This is not really an issue. You just need to setup a regular mail
>> account behind users(a)xwiki.org instead of a mailing list, exactly like
>> what Kevin is probably currently doing for whatever mail address you
>> decided to use for Discourse replies.
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Decide on the migration path. See below
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Decide if we migrate only users or also devs. FTM I suggest
that we do only users and see how it goes and if we’re happy we can decide to move devs
data too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Migration Path
>>>>>>> ============
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I propose the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * On a given date that we advertise on the users list, we
configure this list to be readonly and not allow more posts. We invite users to register
on our discourse instance and use that.
>>>>>>> * We don’t import our archives since it’s complex
(https://meta.discourse.org/t/howto-import-mbox-mailing-list-files/51233) and there’s not
a perfect mapping. We can always do that in the future if someone really wants to work on
that.
>>>>>>> * We create a markmail user in our discourse instance and
configure it to receive all posts. We set its email address to be users(a)xwiki.org and we
configure the users list to accept mail from our discourse instance. This allows to keep
having a place where we can search in all places by using markmail. Incidentally this also
means that nabble and gmane will continue to archive our mails which is nice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24 Feb 2017, at 12:18, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi devs,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and
devs mailing list and instead to use the Discourse open source tool:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
>>>>>>>> * License: GPL v2
>>>>>>>> * FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
>>>>>>>> * Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is especially interesting for us:
>>>>>>>> * It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and
send mails to the forum).
>>>>>>>> * Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life
instance, check the gradle instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nice things:
>>>>>>>> * Works on mobile
>>>>>>>> * Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with
xwiki.org)
>>>>>>>> * Badges/user metrics
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they
could host an instance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please cast your votes!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> -Vincent