Re: [xwiki-devs] Watchlist icons improvements

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com We would be back to 2 clicks to find the watch state, which is too much IMO. Thanks, Marius > > > Thanks, > Caty > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> > > I've posted a screenshot of a prototype inspired by the Caty's mockups: > > > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/… > > > > If everyone agrees I continue in this direction. > > > > Thanks, > > > > 2015-11-02 15:31 GMT+01:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com > >: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I've added an iteration that adds switches to the Page/Hierarchy/Wiki > > > watchlist/notifications activators and that display also the top notifs > > > > > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H6.W… > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Caty > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > > > > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> > > > > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > > > > > I've attached a mock-up of your idea there: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H5.W… > > > > > > > > > > Some thoughts: > > > > > > > > > > * the notification menu needs to be always displayed to access the > > > > > watchlist actions, even if no real notification have been sent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So we would need a kind of "new" icon close to the bell (or the > count > > > of > > > > > unread notifications) when there is new notifications (like in > > > facebook: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/117fb905-4cd4-4a63-a53d-fbfa5d975ed1… > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, we'll need something like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * the actions are relevant to the current page, but are displayed > in > > a > > > > more > > > > > global menu. But we could also argue that they concern the > > notification > > > > > area so it's ok and quite intuitive. > > > > > > > > > > * it still need an extra-click to see the state of the page (but as > > > > before > > > > > in the first Flamingo's version and Colibri) but it does not cost a > > lot > > > > > (nothing compared to a modal box to open). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If everyone agrees, I can implement this way. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > 2015-11-02 9:50 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > > > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com&gt;gt;: > > > > > > > > > > > Edy's proposal sounds ok to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Marius > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Eduard Moraru < > > enygma2002(a)gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don`t like having multiple icons for relatively the same > > purpose > > > > nor > > > > > > > abusing the extra space we have in the top menu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about joining the 2 icons (eye and bell) and using only > the > > > bell > > > > > > item > > > > > > > for generic "notifications"? > > > > > > > Reiterating: inside the dropdown of the bell icon (the dropdown > > > shown > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/e0f42388-9d3d-4253-83db-1986a2d8a846… > > > > > > > ), just above the actual notifications stream, we would also > have > > > > the 2 > > > > > > > watchlist subscription options (i.e. the content of the > dropdown > > > > shown > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/… > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > which would also show their states. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This way we would also remove the "watch" actions from the more > > > > actions > > > > > > > section and we would group notifications and > > > page-watch-subscriptions > > > > > in > > > > > > > the same spot. IMO, it is not critical to always display the > > > > > information > > > > > > > that you are watching the current page and, just like we did in > > all > > > > the > > > > > > > other previous skins, it is enough if you can obtain that > > > information > > > > > in > > > > > > > one click (i.e. clicking on the bell icon and seeing the state > of > > > the > > > > > > watch > > > > > > > buttons). In our previous skins (colibri, Flamingo v1, etc.) we > > had > > > > > this > > > > > > > information upon hovering the page, space or wiki, in the > > dropdown. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes, I guess that at first, it will look a bit similar to > > > > proposal > > > > > 3 > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/… > > > > > > > ), but with a bell icon and not a dedicated eye (watchlist) > icon > > > > > instead > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Eduard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" > > Delhumeau > > > < > > > > > > > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eduard, what you propose is basically the proposal 3: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I propose, following the idea of Vincent, is the > > following: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H4.W… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An icon on the top bar when the page is watched (like the > badge > > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > > previously), but the actions are still in the more actions > > menu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notifications can still be display on the top bar, under a > menu > > > > with > > > > > a > > > > > > > > "bell" icon, such as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/e0f42388-9d3d-4253-83db-1986a2d8a846… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-29 14:37 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > > > > > > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com&gt;gt;: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Eduard Moraru < > > > > > enygma2002(a)gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds nice. A notifications top menu button that, when > > > > expanded, > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > show the 2 options (to watch the current page or the > > current > > > > page > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > children) and, below those options, we would add (in the > > > coming > > > > > > > future) > > > > > > > > > > actual notifications about modified documents that the > user > > > is > > > > > > > > watching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but how do you show, using only one icon, that: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * the current document is in your watch list (state for the > > > > current > > > > > > > > > document) > > > > > > > > > * there are documents in your watch list that have been > > > modified > > > > > > > > > (notifications) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree that the top bar is the right place to signal > > > > > notifications, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure it's the best place to show some state related > > to > > > > the > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > document. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Marius > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Something like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.thefacebookinsider.com/wp-co… > > > > > > > > > > but with the two options included. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Eduard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" > > > > > > Delhumeau < > > > > > > > > > > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like it. What about the others? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-29 10:52 GMT+01:00 vincent(a)massol.net < > > > > > > vincent(a)massol.net > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guillaume, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 28 Oct 2015 at 16:18:49, Guillaume Louis-Marie > > > > Delhumeau ( > > > > > > > > > > > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-28 15:32 GMT+01:00 vincent(a)massol.net : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guillaume, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 28 Oct 2015 at 14:57:27, Guillaume Louis-Marie > > > > > > Delhumeau ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com > )) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've just added a new iteration: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H1.b… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still don’t like that it takes more vertical > > space > > > > and > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn’t > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solve the general problem of notifications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a little variant with the "badge" > displayed > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > line > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > the last modification date. It does not take more > > > > vertical > > > > > > > space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not implement the notification area in the > top > > > menu > > > > > bar > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a few places? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand how the state of the current > page > > > (is > > > > it > > > > > > > > watched > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > current user or not?) is related to "notification". > > To > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > notifications > > > > > > > > > > > > > are relevant to inform the user that a new message > > has > > > > been > > > > > > > > > received > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > that a watched page has been modified, but not to > > > inform > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the current page. In other words, notifications are > > > about > > > > > > > > "events", > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > about "state”. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you’re right, I’ve not used the right > terminology. > > I > > > > was > > > > > > > > > referring > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > a zone in the top menu bar on the right (but left of > > the > > > > > > existing > > > > > > > > > > search > > > > > > > > > > > > icon) where apps could contribute new icons, similar > to > > > > what > > > > > > > exists > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > OSX. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example check the top right of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17hbqlh3z3feijpg/ku-xlarge.jpg > > > > > > > > (they > > > > > > > > > > > call > > > > > > > > > > > > it menu bar icons). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this better because: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) It’s an UIX, it’s apps that can contribute to it > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) We have removed menu entries in the top bar and > thus > > > we > > > > > have > > > > > > > > lots > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > available horizontal space > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) We define a standard for all apps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The idea would for apps to contribute notifications > and > > > > > states > > > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-13 19:55 GMT+02:00 Marius Dumitru > Florea > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com&gt;gt;: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re "watch parent and siblings?" it should be > > > "Watch > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > page > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children" IMO. Terminal pages should have > only > > > > "Watch > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > page". > > > > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want to watch the siblings also you can > > navigate > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > parent > > > > > > > > > > > page > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not that hard). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think "Watch this wiki" should be > > > displayed > > > > > on > > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > page. > > > > > > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have it either on the Wiki Index (as an > > > additional > > > > > > entry > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Actions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > column) or on the Drawer where we list the > > wikis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So basically for a nested (non-terminal) page > > the > > > > > user > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > perform > > > > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actions: "Watch this page" and "Watch this > page > > > and > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > children". > > > > > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state can be one of "No watch", "Explicit > > watch", > > > > > > > "Implicit > > > > > > > > > > > watch" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (either > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the wiki or one of its ancestor are being > > watched > > > > > "with > > > > > > > > > > > children"). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we don't care about the difference between > > > explicit > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > implicit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > watch, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which case there will be only two states. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Guillaume > > > > > > "Louis-Marie" > > > > > > > > > > > Delhumeau > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The other thread about the content menus > > > > > > > re-organization > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deviated to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talk about the watchlist, so I prefer to > > > continue > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new thread. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have made some mock-ups that you can see > > > there: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WDYT? 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