2 Nov
2015
2 Nov
'15
11:27 a.m.
Hi.
I've attached a mock-up of your idea there:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H5.W…
Some thoughts:
* the notification menu needs to be always displayed to access the
watchlist actions, even if no real notification have been sent.
So we would need a kind of "new" icon close to the bell (or the count of
unread notifications) when there is new notifications (like in facebook:
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/117fb905-4cd4-4a63-a53d-fbfa5d975ed1…
)
* the actions are relevant to the current page, but are displayed in a more
global menu. But we could also argue that they concern the notification
area so it's ok and quite intuitive.
* it still need an extra-click to see the state of the page (but as before
in the first Flamingo's version and Colibri) but it does not cost a lot
(nothing compared to a modal box to open).
If everyone agrees, I can implement this way.
Thanks,
2015-11-02 9:50 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com>gt;:
Edy's proposal sounds ok to me.
Thanks,
Marius
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/…
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/…
> >
> > What I propose, following the idea of Vincent, is the following:
> >
>
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H4.W…
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/e0f42388-9d3d-4253-83db-1986a2d8a846…
and
> > its
> > > > children) and, below those options, we would add (in the coming
> future)
> > > > actual notifications about modified documents that the user is
> > watching.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yes, but how do you show, using only one icon, that:
> > >
> > > * the current document is in your watch list (state for the current
> > > document)
> > > * there are documents in your watch list that have been modified
> > > (notifications)
> > >
> > > I agree that the top bar is the right place to signal notifications,
> but
> > > I'm not sure it's the best place to show some state related to
the
> > current
> > > document.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Marius
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Something like
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.thefacebookinsider.com/wp-co…
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H1.b…
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I don`t like having multiple icons for relatively
the same purpose nor
abusing the extra space we have in the top menu.
What about joining the 2 icons (eye and bell) and using only the bell
item
for generic "notifications"?
Reiterating: inside the dropdown of the bell icon (the dropdown shown in
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/e0f42388-9d3d-4253-83db-1986a2d8a846…
), just above the actual notifications stream, we
would also have the 2
watchlist subscription options (i.e. the content of the dropdown shown in
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/…
)
which would also show their states.
This way we would also remove the "watch" actions from the more actions
section and we would group notifications and page-watch-subscriptions in
the same spot. IMO, it is not critical to always display the information
that you are watching the current page and, just like we did in all the
other previous skins, it is enough if you can obtain that information in
one click (i.e. clicking on the bell icon and seeing the state of the
watch
buttons). In our previous skins (colibri,
Flamingo v1, etc.) we had this
information upon hovering the page, space or wiki, in the dropdown.
And yes, I guess that at first, it will look a bit similar to proposal 3
(
), but with a bell icon and not a dedicated eye
(watchlist) icon instead
:)
>
> Thanks,
> Eduard
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <
> gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>
> > Eduard, what you propose is basically the proposal 3:
> >
> >
> >
> An icon on the top bar when the page is watched (like the badge
proposed
> > previously), but the actions are still in the more actions menu.
> >
> > Notifications can still be display on the top bar, under a menu with a
> > "bell" icon, such as:
> >
>
WDYT?
Thanks,
2015-10-29 14:37 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com>gt;:
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Sounds nice. A notifications top menu button that, when expanded,
would
> > > show the 2 options (to watch the current page or the current page 
> > > but with the two options
included.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Eduard
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie"
Delhumeau <
> > > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I like it. What about the others?
> > > >
> > > > 2015-10-29 10:52 GMT+01:00 vincent(a)massol.net <
vincent(a)massol.net
>:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Guillaume,
> > > > >
> > > > > On 28 Oct 2015 at 16:18:49, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau (
> > > > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > 2015-10-28 15:32 GMT+01:00 vincent(a)massol.net :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Guillaume,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 28 Oct 2015 at 14:57:27, Guillaume Louis-Marie
Delhumeau (
> > > > > > > >
gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I've just added a new iteration:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I still don’t like that it takes more vertical space
and
that
it
> > > > doesn’t
> > > > > > solve the general problem of notifications.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There is a little variant with the "badge" displayed
in the
same
> line
> > > > than
> > > > > the last modification date. It does not take more vertical
space.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why not implement the notification area in the top menu bar
as
> > > > > discussed
> > > > > > > in a few places?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't understand how the state of the current page
(is it
> watched
> > > by
> > > > > the
> > > > > > current user or not?) is related to
"notification". To me,
> > > > notifications
> > > > > > are relevant to inform the user that a new message has
been
> > received
> > > or
> > > > > > that a watched page has been modified, but not to inform
> the
> > > > state
> > > > > of
> > > > > > the current page. In other words, notifications are about
> "events",
> > > and
> > > > > not
> > > > > > about "state”.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes you’re right, I’ve not used the right terminology. I was
> > referring
> > > to
> > > > > a zone in the top menu bar on the right (but left of the
existing
> >
search
> > > > icon) where apps could contribute new icons, similar to what
exists
> > on
> > > > OSX.
> > > > >
> > > > > For example check the top right of
> > > > > http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17hbqlh3z3feijpg/ku-xlarge.jpg
> (they
> > > > call
> > > > > it menu bar icons).
> > > > >
> > > > > I like this better because:
> > > > > 1) It’s an UIX, it’s apps that can contribute to it
> > > > > 2) We have removed menu entries in the top bar and thus we have
> lots
> > of
> > > > > available horizontal space
> > > > > 3) We define a standard for all apps
> > > > >
> > > > > The idea would for apps to contribute notifications and states
> there.
> > > > >
> > > > > WDYT?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > -Vincent
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > -Vincent
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2015-10-13 19:55 GMT+02:00 Marius Dumitru Florea
<
> > > > > > > > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com>gt;:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Re "watch parent and siblings?" it
should be "Watch 
page
> > and
> > > > its
> > > > > > > > children" IMO. Terminal pages should have
only "Watch
this
> > > page".
> > > > > If
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > want to watch the siblings also you can
navigate to the
> > parent
> > > > page
> > > > > > > (it's
> > > > > > > > > not that hard).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I don't think "Watch this
wiki" should be displayed on
> every
> > > > page.
> > > > > We
> > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > have it either on the Wiki Index (as an
additional to
"Louis-Marie"
> the
> > > > Actions
> > > > > > > > column) or on the Drawer where we list the
wikis.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So basically for a nested (non-terminal) page the
user
can
> > > perform
> > > > two
> > > > > > > > actions: "Watch this page" and
"Watch this page and its
> > > children".
> > > > And
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > state can be one of "No watch",
"Explicit watch",
"Implicit
> > > > watch"
> > > > > > > (either
> > > > > > > > > the wiki or one of its ancestor are being
watched "with
> > > > children").
> > > > > > > Maybe
> > > > > > > > > we don't care about the difference
between explicit and
> > > implicit
> > > > > > > watch, in
> > > > > > > > > which case there will be only two states.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Guillaume
> >
> Delhumeau
> > > > <
> > > > > > > > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The other thread about the content menus
re-organization
has
> > > > > deviated to
> > > > > > > > talk about the watchlist, so I prefer to continue
the
> > discussion
> > > on
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > new thread.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have made some mock-ups that you can see
there:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > WDYT?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
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