28 Apr
2017
28 Apr
'17
4:29 p.m.
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
The archive and the mail address are two different things. It's not
because users(a)xwiki.org is redirected to something else that the old
mailman archive is not accessible anymore, it's just a web page.
I'm not proposing to replace discourse-replies(a)xwiki.org here. Again
the idea is to have mails sent to users(a)xwiki.org create new topics on
Discourse instead of returning errors, nothing else, mailman won't
accept any registration and it won't sent any mail anymore.
On 28 Apr 2017, at 16:05, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
For replies sure but for new topics ?
I’m not sure I understand. If the idea is to use users(a)xwiki.org instead of
discourse-replies(a)xwiki.org then yes it’s possible but this means the user list is no
longer accessible, even in readonly (we need to configure mailman and mail servers inside
XWiki SAS to not go to mailman) On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:55, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>
>> On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:49, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>> Status
>>> ======
>>>
>>> So I’ve progressed in this with Kevin (who’s an infra admin at XWiki SAS).
>>>
>>> We now have an instance ready.
>>>
>>> What’s left to do:
>>>
>>> * Configure reply by email. I’m currently trying to do that with Kevin. The
principle is that you receive mail from discourse and we set in discourse a reply-to email
address so that when you reply to the mail, it goes to a mail inbox somewhere (some gmail
account for example). Then discourse is configured to check (using POP3, they don’t seem
to support IMAP ATM) that inbox and to process mails found in it and update the topics.
Note that even if we don’t configure this, users can still receive emails for all posts
but they will just need to click on the link to go the webpage and answer. It’s not the
end of the world either.
>>
>> Does it also support starting new discussion by mail or only reply ?
>
> It seems so:
>
> " You can start topics, reply to topics, have a mailing list mode where you get
an email per post on the forum or post on the category.
>
> Longer term we plan to add some "secret commands" that allow you to like a
post or flag a post via email.
>
> Overall mailing list parity is pretty high here and we support a bunch of stuff
mailing lists do not.”
>
> From https://meta.discourse.org/t/start-a-new-topic-via-email/12477/6
In that case another idea for the migration would be to make Discourse
monitor users(a)xwiki.org instead of making it readonly.
I thought about this but AFAIU this wouldn’t work.
The email address used to reply to posts is of the form:
<prefix>+<topickey>@<domain name>
For example: discourse-replies+XXXXX(a)xwiki.org and we cannot have a special list user inside
discourse posting to the user list and thus we won’t have markmail/nabble/gmane/etc
archiving the new posts
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne
So I don’t think it would work to POP users(a)xwiki.org (and we don’t have a POP-able inbox
for users mail either AFAIK).
This is not really an issue. You just need to setup a regular mail
account behind users(a)xwiki.org instead of a mailing list, exactly like
what Kevin is probably currently doing for whatever mail address you
decided to use for Discourse replies.
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>>
>>> * Decide on the migration path. See below
>>>
>>> * Decide if we migrate only users or also devs. FTM I suggest that we do only
users and see how it goes and if we’re happy we can decide to move devs data too.
>>>
>>> Migration Path
>>> ============
>>>
>>> I propose the following:
>>>
>>> * On a given date that we advertise on the users list, we configure this list
to be readonly and not allow more posts. We invite users to register on our discourse
instance and use that.
>>> * We don’t import our archives since it’s complex
(https://meta.discourse.org/t/howto-import-mbox-mailing-list-files/51233) and there’s not
a perfect mapping. We can always do that in the future if someone really wants to work on
that.
>>> * We create a markmail user in our discourse instance and configure it to
receive all posts. We set its email address to be users(a)xwiki.org and we configure the
users list to accept mail from our discourse instance. This allows to keep having a place
where we can search in all places by using markmail. Incidentally this also means that
nabble and gmane will continue to archive our mails which is nice.
>>>
>>> WDYT?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 24 Feb 2017, at 12:18, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi devs,
>>>>
>>>> I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing
list and instead to use the Discourse open source tool:
>>>>
>>>> * Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
>>>> * License: GPL v2
>>>> * FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
>>>> * Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
>>>>
>>>> What is especially interesting for us:
>>>> * It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to
the forum).
>>>> * Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check
the gradle instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
>>>>
>>>> Nice things:
>>>> * Works on mobile
>>>> * Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
>>>> * Badges/user metrics
>>>>
>>>> So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an
instance.
>>>>
>>>> WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
>>>>
>>>> Please cast your votes!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -Vincent
>>>>
>>>
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>> --
>> Thomas Mortagne
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Thomas Mortagne