2 Oct
2014
2 Oct
'14
1:48 p.m.
On 2 Oct 2014 at 13:31:56, Eduard Moraru
(enygma2002@gmail.com(mailto:enygma2002@gmail.com)) wrote:
On that note:
The funny/sad thing to realise is that we are basing all this discussion on
the fact that some users did not find the "Add" button *only the first
time* they tried to do something. The realization is that this is one of
those things (idioms[1][2]) that you learn once and know how to easily do
the next 1000x times (like riding a bike).
The real problem appears when you are in those "next 1000x time" and you
find it cumbersome to use (like riding a bike with no saddle, or with the
saddle on backwards :) ). So in both cases (top or middle of the page) once
you find it once, you will find it again, however in the middle of the page
it conflicts too often with the Edit button and other page related actions,
that it becomes cumbersome to use.
Indeed that’s something I had in mind too. If you just ask to add a page and that’s all
then you’re not doing a full test. You’d need to ask the user to:
- add a page
- delete a page
- move a page
- create a space
- etc
And then only you can draw some conclusion IMO.
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Eduard
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[1] http://thor.info.uaic.ro/~evalica/hci/L2/
[2] https://www.englishforums.com/English/IdiomsVsMetaphors/cqwl/post.htm
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:47 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
wrote:
On 2 Oct 2014 at 11:06:00, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau (
gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote:
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I have done the "test-on-my-wife" thing :)
She finds it more intuitive to add a page from the current page, so in
the
current location, instead of the "black bar
that gives the impression of
not beeing a part of that page" (that she did not manage to find by
herself).
I then explained that the buttons inside the page only concern the
actions
that you can do on that page, meanwhile adding a
new page should be put
in
an other location. She did not like this logic :)
So with this logic we should remove the top bar completely and move all
actions inside the page, i.e. have only 1 menu inside the page. Because if
she couldn’t find the Add button there she also wouldn’t be able to find
all wiki-related actions, space-related actions and more importantly
**page-related** actions like copy page, rename page or delete page…
Also would be fun to ask your wife to try using Confluence and see if she
fails to create a page there too.
Thanks
-Vincent
Users' logic and developer's logic are
not the same. I like the current
location too, except that we should propose "create page" before "create
wiki".
I really would like to have some feedback of normal users, with the 2
proposals. We, as developers, are not good at making things that look
simple for other people, so we should not take this decision alone.
Thanks,
--
Guillaume Delhumeau
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