Re: [xwiki-devs] [Iteration][UX] Nested: Livetable

This is an interesting example. Let's get back a few seconds on the first mail of this thread. The topic was about how to integrate the nested concept into LT. If I paraphrase what I understand: how to display the complete path to a document in a LT (list of all spaces from ROOT to the document). But in this example (LT of extensions), the path is not an interesting information. I don't really care where this page is stored into the wiki (and I guess, you don't too, right?). What's important is the name of the extension, the category and a few other information. So maybe the real question is: do we care about displaying "path" of a document in a LT? (and not, do we care to keep LT like I first said). It's still a bit fuzzy in my head but this is how I think about that at the moment: path is a technical information (therefore, useless for the end-user), but title of the page, category, author, etc. are meaningful information to the end-user. Does it make any sense to you? Trying to imagine some use cases where this path is useful to the end-user (and not just technical), I got some (see below) but as you'll see, I'm not sure it should be the way to implement them: 1) Using Task Manager Application with Project Management Application, you could store all tasks of a project into a subspace (therefore the name of the subspace could be the name of the project 1.problem) Title of the project is probably already a field into the Project Management AWM and what you really want in the LT is this title, not the name of the sub-space (sub-space is only a technical solution to store tasks without colliding between projects) 2) With Blog Application, you store articles in a hierarchy of year/month/day. 2.problem) Indeed, the date is useful information but here again, I guess that you can already get the date from the document itself and therefore, it's only a technical solution for storage which is not very useful to the end-user. Can you think about a real use case where you need this path? (I guess my brain is already to biased on the topic so help me!!!).

On 02/07/2015 14:08, vincent(a)massol.net wrote: > > > On 2 Jul 2015 at 13:49:01, Jean SIMARD > (jean.simard@xwiki.com(mailto:jean.simard@xwiki.com)) wrote: > >> As an end-user, I mainly used LT to *find* elements (usually a document) >> and therefore, as a developer, I always used LT to provide a tool for >> end-users to access elements. In order for them to find these elements, >> either you display the data and then the end-user try to find what he's >> looking for (the way LT works today) or you provide a search engine >> (these filters we talked about). > > So for example how would you imagine http://extensions.xwiki.org ? > > Right now it has a LT that can be used both for navigating to extensions > and for searching. If you need searching in the content then you use the > search page. > > I find that quite convenient. > > Thanks > -Vincent > >> What do you think? LT is more a *find* tool or a *display* tool? >> >> On 02/07/2015 11:41, vincent(a)massol.net wrote: >> > >> > >> > On 2 Jul 2015 at 11:37:49, Jean SIMARD >> > (jean.simard@xwiki.com(mailto:jean.simard@xwiki.com)) wrote: >> > >> >> Filters seems a good idea. >> >> >> >> For example, I'm pretty sure I've almost never used this livetable >> >> without typing something into the search fields of one of the columns. >> >> It means that first I'm filtering, and then I'm browsing. Therefore, >> >> filtering the tree view first and then browse as a tree would be pretty >> >> in line with this workflow. It indeed means that you don't display data >> >> (author and date mainly) but you filter on them. >> > >> > But the main point of LT in general is to display these data! :) >> > >> > Ok maybe you were talking about a tree *only* for this page, while I’m >> > talking about LT in general for all use cases. >> > >> > If you don’t display them you loose the rationale and you loose the >> > ability to decide on what to filter too… >> > >> >> But of course, I'm aware that the work on trees may be more complex, >> >> more difficult to do. So livetable could be considered as a viable >> >> temporary solution (let's choose one of the solution that doesn't imply >> >> a lot of work in this case ^^). >> > >> > I don’t see it as temporary, at least not till someone proposes >> > something better :) >> > >> > Thanks >> > -Vincent >> > >> >> On 02/07/2015 11:17, vincent(a)massol.net wrote: >> >> > >> >> > On 2 Jul 2015 at 11:06:42, Jean SIMARD >> >> > (jean.simard@xwiki.com(mailto:jean.simard@xwiki.com)) wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Nice work. >> >> >> >> >> >> However, something stroke me when reading that, why do we still want >> >> >> livetable with nested? The tree seems the best way to represent >> >> >> hierarchical structure of documents (as you say in sol4) so I'm not >> > sure >> >> >> to understand the real reason to try to keep a livetable and not >> >> >> completely drop it and focus on tree view. OK, that is my opinion. >> >> > >> >> > That’s an interesting idea but how do you present data (the other >> >> > columns) in a tree view, with filters? >> >> > >> >> > Thanks >> >> > -Vincent >> >> > >> >> >> Now, to talk about your proposition, I guess sol2 or sol3 are > fine (I >> >> >> would go more for sol3). >> >> >> >> >> >> For another solution, maybe you could mixin sol3 with a bit of sol1. >> >> >> Let me explain. Use Sol3 but instead of displaying only parent, > display >> >> >> the minify breadcrumb. And fall back to "only parent" on mobile > with a >> >> >> small icon next to it to display the complete path in a popup or >> >> >> something similar (or use this icon on every device and forget about >> >> >> minify breadcrumb). Don't know if it makes sense. >> >> >> >> >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 02/07/2015 00:04, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote: >> >> >> > Hi, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I've added some ideas on how to display 'Space' column in the >> >> > AllDocs page: >> >> >> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/NestedLivetable >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Let me know what you think and if there are other ideas. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thanks, >> >> >> > Caty