3 Nov
2015
3 Nov
'15
11:05 a.m.
I've posted a screenshot of a prototype inspired by the Caty's mockups:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/…
If everyone agrees I continue in this direction.
Thanks,
2015-11-02 15:31 GMT+01:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hi,
I've added an iteration that adds switches to the Page/Hierarchy/Wiki
watchlist/notifications activators and that display also the top notifs
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H6.W…
Thanks,
Caty
On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
of
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/117fb905-4cd4-4a63-a53d-fbfa5d975ed1…
bell
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/e0f42388-9d3d-4253-83db-1986a2d8a846…
> > > > ), just above the actual notifications stream, we would also have
> the 2
> > > > watchlist subscription options (i.e. the content of the dropdown
> shown
> > in
> > > >
> > > >
>
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/…
page-watch-subscriptions
information
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/…
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/…
> > > > >
> > > > > What I propose, following the idea of Vincent, is the
following:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
>
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H4.W…
> > > > >
> > > > > An icon on the top bar when the page is watched (like the badge
> > > proposed
> > > > > previously), but the actions are still in the more actions
menu.
> > > > >
> > > > > Notifications can still be display on the top bar, under a menu
> with
> > a
> > > > > "bell" icon, such as:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
>
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/e0f42388-9d3d-4253-83db-1986a2d8a846…
expanded,
coming
modified
> > > > > > (notifications)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I agree that the top bar is the right place to signal
> > notifications,
> > > > but
> > > > > > I'm not sure it's the best place to show some state
related to
> the
> > > > > current
> > > > > > document.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Marius
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Something like
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
>
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.thefacebookinsider.com/wp-co…
wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-28 15:32 GMT+01:00
vincent(a)massol.net :
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guillaume,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On 28 Oct 2015 at 14:57:27,
Guillaume Louis-Marie
> > > Delhumeau (
> > > > > > > > > > >
gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com))
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I've just added a new
iteration:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
>
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H1.b…
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On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Guillaume
"Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <
gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H5.W…
Hi.
I've attached a mock-up of your idea there:
Some thoughts:
* the notification menu needs to be always displayed to access the
watchlist actions, even if no real notification have been sent.
> So we would need a kind of "new" icon close to the bell (or the count
> unread notifications) when there is new
notifications (like in
facebook:
)
Yes, we'll need something like this.
* the actions are relevant to the current page, but are displayed in a
more
global menu. But we could also argue that they
concern the notification
area so it's ok and quite intuitive.
* it still need an extra-click to see the state of the page (but as
before
in the first Flamingo's version and Colibri)
but it does not cost a lot
(nothing compared to a modal box to open).
If everyone agrees, I can implement this way.
Thanks,
2015-11-02 9:50 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com>gt;:
> Edy's proposal sounds ok to me.
>
> Thanks,
> Marius
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> > I don`t like having multiple icons for relatively the same purpose
nor
> > > abusing the extra space we have in the top menu.
> > >
> > > What about joining the 2 icons (eye and bell) and using only the > > item
> > > for generic "notifications"?
> > > Reiterating: inside the dropdown of the bell icon (the dropdown
shown
> > in
> > > >
> > > >
>
> >
)
> > which would also show their states.
> >
> > This way we would also remove the "watch" actions from the more
actions
> > > section and we would group notifications and in
the
> > > other previous skins, it is enough if you can obtain that > the same spot. IMO, it is not critical to
always display the
information
> > that you are watching the current page and, just like we did in all > in
> > > one click (i.e. clicking on the bell icon and seeing the state of
the
> > > watch
> > > > buttons). In our previous skins (colibri, Flamingo v1, etc.) we had
> > this
> > > > information upon hovering the page, space or wiki, in the dropdown.
> > > >
> > > > And yes, I guess that at first, it will look a bit similar to
> proposal
> > 3
> > > (
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ), but with a bell icon and not a
dedicated eye (watchlist) icon
> instead
> > :)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Eduard
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie"
Delhumeau
<
> > > > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Eduard, what you propose is basically the proposal 3:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > WDYT?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > 2015-10-29 14:37 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea <
> > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com>gt;:
> >
> > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Eduard Moraru <
enygma2002(a)gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds nice. A notifications top menu button that, when > > would
> > > > > show the 2 options (to watch the current page or the current
page
> > and
> > > > its
> > > > > > children) and, below those options, we would add (in the
> > > future)
> > > > > > actual notifications about modified documents that the user
is
> >
> watching.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, but how do you show, using only one icon, that:
> > > >
> > > > * the current document is in your watch list (state for the
current
> > > > > document)
> > > > > * there are documents in your watch list that have been 
> >
> > > but with the two options included.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Eduard
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Guillaume
"Louis-Marie"
> Delhumeau <
> > > > > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I like it. What about the others?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2015-10-29 10:52 GMT+01:00 vincent(a)massol.net <
> vincent(a)massol.net
> > >:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Guillaume,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 28 Oct 2015 at 16:18:49, Guillaume Louis-Marie
Delhumeau (
> > > > > > > >
gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I still don’t like that it takes more
vertical space
and
> that
> > > it
> > > > > > > doesn’t
> > > > > > > > > solve the general problem of notifications.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There is a little variant with the
"badge" displayed in
the
> > same
> > > > line
> > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > the last modification date. It does not take more
vertical
> > > space.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Why not implement the notification area
in the top > bar
> > > as
> > > > > > > > discussed
> > > > > > > > > > in a few places?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I don't understand how the state of the
current page
(is
it
inform
> > > watched
> > > > > by
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > current user or not?) is related to
"notification". To
me,
> > > > > > notifications
> > > > > > > > are relevant to inform the user that a new
message has
been
> > > > > received
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > that a watched page has been modified, but
not to > > about
> > > > the
> > > > > > > state
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the current page. In other words,
notifications are
about
> >
> "events",
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > about "state”.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes you’re right, I’ve not used the right terminology.
I
was
> > > > referring
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > a zone in the top menu bar on the right (but left of
the
> existing
> > > > > search
> > > > > > > icon) where apps could contribute new icons, similar
to
what
> > > exists
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > OSX.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For example check the top right of
> > > > > > > >
> http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17hbqlh3z3feijpg/ku-xlarge.jpg
> > > > (they
> > > > > > > call
> > > > > > > > it menu bar icons).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I like this better because:
> > > > > > > > 1) It’s an UIX, it’s apps that can contribute to
it
> > > > > > > > 2) We have removed menu entries in the top bar
and thus 
> have
> > > > lots
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > available horizontal space
> > > > > > > > 3) We define a standard for all apps
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The idea would for apps to contribute
notifications and
> states
> > > > there.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > WDYT?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > -Vincent
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > > > -Vincent
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-13 19:55 GMT+02:00 Marius
Dumitru Florea <
> > > > > > > > > > >
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com>gt;:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Re "watch parent and
siblings?" it should be
"Watch
>
this
> > > page
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > its
> > > > > > > > > > > children" IMO. Terminal pages
should have only
"Watch
> > > this
> > > > > > page".
> > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > want to watch the siblings
also you can navigate > the
> > > > > parent
> > > > > > > page
> > > > > > > > > > (it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > not that hard).
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think "Watch
this wiki" should be
displayed
> on
> > > > every
> > > > > > > page.
> > > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > have it either on the Wiki
Index (as an
additional
> > entry
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Actions
> > > > > > > > > > > > column) or on the Drawer
where we list the wikis.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > So basically for a nested
(non-terminal) page the
> user
> > > can
> > > > > > > perform
> > > > > > > > two
> > > > > > > > > > > > actions: "Watch this
page" and "Watch this page
and
> its
> > > > > > > children".
> > > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > state can be one of "No
watch", "Explicit watch",
> > > "Implicit
> > > > > > > watch"
> > > > > > > > > > (either
> > > > > > > > > > > > the wiki or one of its
ancestor are being watched
> "with
> > > > > > > children").
> > > > > > > > > > Maybe
> > > > > > > > > > > > we don't care about the
difference between
explicit
> and
> > > > > > implicit
> > > > > > > > > > watch, in
> > > > > > > > > > > > which case there will be only
two states.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:39
PM, Guillaume
> > "Louis-Marie"
> > > > > > > Delhumeau
> > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The other thread about
the content menus
> > > re-organization
> > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > deviated to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > talk about the
watchlist, so I prefer to
continue
> the
> > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > new thread.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have made some
mock-ups that you can see
there:
> > > > > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73
> > > > > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > > > > WDYT?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
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