31 Oct
2017
31 Oct
'17
4:07 p.m.
So although I tried to keep the user avatars as primary elements in the UI,
in the end I will change my vote to the event based layout.
The first problem was the grouping we have. If we were to display
individual entries for each user that layout might work, since we would not
have the generic group avatar.
But this was not the main problem.
The main problem is scalability. Since we need to display the event and
application, having also the avatar was putting the application icon as a
tertiary element. Was very small and not readable at all.
Today I was trying to represent how an application upgrade would look like.
You can check
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/NotificationsImprovements9x…
So what I am proposing is a mix of the 2 layouts, see
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/NotificationsImprovemen…
For normal pages the event will be displayed as primary; while for
application events the application is primary. I made this change taking
into consideration Vincent's notes about confusion of knowing who sent the
event. I think this way is easier to read and understand from where the
event is coming from.
So let me know what think about this latest layout.
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/NotificationsImprovemen…
Avatars are still present, but not primary. Applications are displayed.
Prototype at https://jsfiddle.net/risherry/t1nv2uoz/
Thanks,
Caty
On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Guillaume Delhumeau <
guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
2017-10-30 18:59 GMT+01:00 Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
user
This is not the case in the watchlist. In the watchlist, you see the diff
for the whole changes on each listed page. I don't think you want to have
each individual diff when you look on what's changed in the wiki.
valicac(a)gmail.com
vincent(a)massol.net
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avatar,
the
understand.
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image.
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activity
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for
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to
whether
as
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the
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bin/view/Proposal/
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post
--
Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
On 30 Oct 2017, at 18:46, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com
wrote:
I've iterated how it would look inside the mail, see
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
NotificationsImprovements9xEmail#HProposal2
Thanks Caty. In your proposal I don’t see where you put the TOC for
non-page events.
Still haven't found a solution for the
avatar's group image, but the
thing
> is that when the user selects to receive the diffs in the mail, this grouping
is confusing.
Indeed, we cannot group diffs I think. The diff needs to be under each
change, not under the whole grouped change.
> For some events we display just the last change, not all the changes,
or
we
> display the whole diff, so it's kind of hard to tell which user did
what.
A solution would be to display the entries separate, each with its own
diff. Not sure what is the best approach.
Yep
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Caty
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>
>>
>>> On 30 Oct 2017, at 15:15, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> On 30 Oct 2017, at 12:27, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Vincent Massol <
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Caty,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> There’ s something I don’t understand. Sometimes you have 2 icons
and
>>>>>> sometimes only 1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is only 1 icon if the action is done by the "Pages"
app,
>>> from
>>>> XWiki.
>>>> I've considered that this is the main/default app, so we don't
display
>>> it.
>>>> It's the default.
>>>> So if you have created, edited, delete, commented on a normal page,
you
>>> get
>>>> just the event action.
>>>> If the page is special, coming from a particular application, then
you
>>> have
>>>> an additional icon, marking the application.
>>>
>>> I find this highly confusing for my part :)
>>>
>>>> For me we always need 2 icons:
>>>>> * one to represent the application (e.g. Pages app, Blog app, etc)
>>>>> * one to represent the event (e.g. for the Paged app: Create,
Modify,
>>>>>> Delete, Comment. For the Blog app: Publish a blog post)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So if we display the avatar this means 3 icons: one for the
> one
>>>>> for the app and one for the event. Maybe that’s a bit too much.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now, on the proposals I see, I find it very confusing and I
can
>>>>>> never figure out which is the app and which is the event.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I would prefer the following:
>>>>>> * On the left, avatar in big + app in smaller on top of it
>>>>>> * On the right, icon for the event. Actually the icon could be
in
>>>> addition
>>>>>> to the “text” (i.e. “edited by”, “published by”, “commented
by”,
>>>> “deleted
>>>>>> by”, etc) or we could drop the icon for the event and only keep
>>>> text.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wouldn't drop the event icon since that's the most
important
piece
of
or
>>>> information now.
>>>
>>> I would not drop it but it’s already contained in the text on the
right
>> so
>>>> that’s duplication.
>>>>
>>>> I’d use the avatar + the app and leave the event icon on the right
>>> simply drop it in favor of the text (either one).
>>>
>>>> The grouping is done by page and by event.
>>>> You want to know if someone deleted a new entry or just edited in a
> rapid
>>>> way, without the need to read the text.
>>>
>>> I’d prefer to see who did something and what they modified. That’s
> really
>>> how I use XWiki’s AS the most personally.
>>>
>>> If the text is not visual enough the event icon is ok too but I
wouldn’t
>>> put it on the left.
>>>
>>> In any case, you need consistency and all entries need to look the
same.
>>>> We must not have special cases as it makes it very hard to >>>>
>>>
>>> For me it was confusing seeing "Pages", since in XWiki everything
is
a
> page
>> and I don't have any application called Pages. I saw the addition of
>> "Pages" as redundant.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In your variations I don’t see one where the app icon is on the
left.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have put all the icons on the left in order to be easier to scan
for
>>> them
>>>> in collapsed and expanded form. Having the icons on the right made
the
>>>>> layout very centered-heavy + you didn't had the extremities in
to
>>>>> scan for them.
>>>>>
>>>>> So Guillaume and Clement like the event-focused view.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't particularly like the big event icons. I find them more
cold
> and
>>>> less personal. So I prefer the users-centered version.
>>>
>>> Same here for the same reason, but… (see below)
>>>
>>>> I like:
>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/
>>> NotificationsImprovements9xTypes/userCentered_smallAvatars_
reverse.png
>>>
>>> I don’t like the generic group image, it breaks the nice UI with
> avatars.
>>> We could maybe resize the avatars and display up to 4 and if beyond
then
>>> display some continuations symbol.
>>>
>>
>> Not really sure how to display 4 avatars + in a nice way, while still
> being
>> the main focus.
>
> There’s another problem too actually. Not all events are related to
> people. For example the “A new version of XWiki is available” event
would
>> not have an avatar. However we could decide to use an “X” icon,
>> representing the xwiki.org entity/avatar.
>>
>> What I wouldn’t like is some generic image such as a bland group I
(important
> find that this breaks the concept of showing
avatars.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>>
>>>> Now I haven't created versions for all the combinations, but we
should
>>>>> decide if:
>>>>> - we want user focused vs. event focused layout
>>>>> - expanded version should have users or events on the left;
>>>>> - the summary should contain avatars or not for the users >> when
>>>>> there is a single user that did the event);
>>>>> - if / when we combine the users (when we have more than 2/3 users;
>>>> always;
>>>>>
>>>>> I am lacking some information in order to get some statistical
>> decisions.
>>>>> For example, in practice:
>>>>> - we have more individual events or more events done by multiple
>> people?
>>>>> - how common is to group also events? the example with blog
published
>>> that
>>>> also has the create. Do we really need to display them? Also when
>>> creating
>>>> an user profile we launch a multitude of edit events, should all
those
>> be
>>>>> displayed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding the user vs. event focused layout: it's just in the
> and
>>>> what we display on the first position, since I've kept the current
>>>> page/event grouping that is currently implemented. The decision
depends
>>>> on
>>>>> how everyone is using the wiki: are they more interested in
>>> being
>>>> done on the wiki or who actually did that activity?
>>>
>>> Both are needed and it depends on the usage I guess. My feeling is
that
>>>> humans are good at relationships in a group and a picture speaks >> than
>>>> a generic icon for an app. You know who you work with, you know
people
>> you
>>>> like, you know who you consider is a stranger, etc and you’ll want
to
>
check
>>> the diff and dive further based on that. The fact that the avatar is
> shown
>>> prominently will help that.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>>> I like to see who did what, but if the Notifications implementation
> will
>>>> always group users and we will get the Group icon, than this might
not
>> be
>>>>> very nice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Caty
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 27 Oct 2017, at 17:31, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
>> valicac(a)gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So these are some more iterations for the notifications
layout
>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
>>>>>> NotificationsImprovements9xTypes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've played with User centered vs. Event centered and
variants
>>>>>> displaying the avatars, user names and event names.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know what version you prefer. Also you can fork the
prototypes
>>> if
>>>>>> you want to make some small changes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Caty
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Vincent Massol <
vincent(a)massol.net
>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24 Oct 2017, at 11:24, Guillaume Delhumeau <
>>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2017-10-24 11:12 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net
:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Guillaume,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Oct 2017, at 10:58, Guillaume Delhumeau
<
>>>>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Any news on this? I'd like to implement this
quickly because
9.10
>>> is
>>>>>>>>> coming
>>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This the current status:
>>>>>>>>> * Caty proposed some improved layout for displaying
notifications
>>>>>>>>>> * I commented about the need to display event +
type, and >> the
>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>> to have a link to see the diff. I also mentioned
that we need
to
>>> work
>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> the mail template display
>>>>>>>>> * Caty replied and updated her proposal to take into
account
those
>>>>>>>>>> comments.
>>>>>>>>>> * I kind of like Caty’s proposal focused on the
user. We want >>>> favor
>>>>>>>>>> contributions and I think it helps. It also
makes the UI more
>>>>>> appealing
>>>>>>>>>> visually.
>>>>>>>>>> * You mentioned that you’d prefer a proposal
more focused on
the
>>> event
>>>>>>>>> rather than the user
>>>>>>>>> * Thomas agrees with you
>>>>>>>>> * Edy mentioned some extra points
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have also mentioned that the diff we propose is too
technical
for
>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>> users.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes and we have 4 solutions:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Solution 1: make it simpler to understand for
everyone
>>>>>>>> * Solution 2: have a wiki admin UI level option to
select to
clicked,
>>>>>>> include diff or not
in the default template + user-level profile
UI
>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>> (ie. per user)
>>>>>>>> * Solution 3: have a singe button in the mail, that,
when >>>>>>>> displays the
diff (which is hidden by default)
>>>>>>>> * Solution 4: implement 2 mail templates (one for simple
users
and
> one
>>>>> for
>>>>>>> advanced users) and let the users choose in their profile
which
one
>>> they
>>>>>>> want to receive + have a wiki admin UI level option to decide
which
>> is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> default when not overridden by the user.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So I guess we need to decide about whether we
show the avatar >> in
>>>>>>>> Caty’s
>>>>>>>>>> proposal or not, right? Is that what you’re
asking about
>> Guillaume?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On my side, I don’t see the issue in displaying
the user
avatar
>>>> large
>>>>>> vs
>>>>>>>>>> small. The events are still ordered by page
events.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-10-23 13:19 GMT+02:00 Guillaume
Delhumeau <
>>>>>>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com>gt;:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that you have a mail template for
the notifications
too.
>> It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/blob/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
83b76ed4c26954aa2755bbdce23b32c41725ac06/xwiki-platform-
>>>>>>>>>>>>
core/xwiki-platform-notifications/xwiki-platform-
>>>>>>>>>>>>
notifications-ui/src/main/resources/XWiki/Notifications/
>>>>>>>>>>>> MailTemplate.xml#L23 but it's not
documented yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This mail template allows you to
customize the header and
the
>>>> footer
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the email, but not the actual content.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To be precise, each *event type* can
have its own template
or
>>>>> failback
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> the default one (https://github.com/xwiki/
xwiki-platform/blob/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
acdf68f4c0d20a9b44ea48eec4df808e22c54548/xwiki-platform-
>>>>>>>>>>>>
core/xwiki-platform-web/src/main/webapp/templates/
>>>>>>>>>>>> notification/email/default.html.vm)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So it's a template *per event type*
and it's not linked to >>>> user
>>>>>>>>>>>> choice. But we could add some options in
the default
template
>> for
>>>>>>>>>> example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-10-17 16:23 GMT+02:00 Vincent
Massol <
vincent(a)massol.net
>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Guillaume,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2017, at 07:16,
Guillaume Delhumeau <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some ideas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have feedback about the fact
the diff is way too
technical
>> for
>>>>>>>>>> users.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Example: "What does it
means???"
>> https://img15.hostingpics.net/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pics/670307example1.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So we could hide this in a
"technical details" link.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s one option but there’s
another which is to provide
the
>>>>> ability
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> choose which mail template to use in the
Admin and provide
>>> several
>>>>>>>>>>>> templates for different needs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For example for the xwiki.org watchlist
we absolutely need
to
>> be
>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> see the diffs without clicking a
“technical details” link >>>> each
>>>>>>>>>>>>> notification. It could be ok if
there’s a single “technical
>>>>>> details”
>>>>>>>>>> link
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for ALL notifications that shows all
diffs at once.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The "details" link
could be replaced by a "more" link,
with
a
the
>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplified diff (the complete diff
would go the the
technical
>>>>>>>> details
>>>>>>>>>>>>> view).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the body of the event, in
addition with the title of
>>>>>>> document,
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could add some extracts of the diff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Example taken on gmail:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/763456example2.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope it helps,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-10-12 15:38 GMT+02:00 Vincent
Massol <
vincent(a)massol.net
>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks nice. Does it work in all
mail clients that support
> HTML?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like an option to show
the details for all events as
>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too painful to have to open all
one by one (for the use
case
>>>> when
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to check everything).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Same as Guillaume: not all
events are page-related So
>>>> we
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handle those too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Oct 2017, at
15:03, Guillaume Delhumeau <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First of all, it looks
very nice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, you said the events
are displayed like in the
>>>>>> notifications,
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the notifications they
are ordered by dates, not by
pages.
>>> Does
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal imply to change the
ordering? What about events
> that
>>> do
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern any page (like:
"a new wiki has been created" or
"a
>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>> XWiki
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version is
available")? We don't have such events for >> but
>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> plan
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have some soon. We could
display them last for example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice CSS expand!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks you,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-10-12 14:47
GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a proposal
for the Notifications mail:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
NotificationsImprovements9xEmail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've continued
with the 'user' avatar focused proposal,
>> since
>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently focused on
the email template. If we drop the
>> user
>>>>>>>> avatar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we group multiple
users) then we can have the event/app
>> icon
>>>>>>>>>> instead
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avatar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I want to have
feedback on is the email layout,
>>>>>>>> functionality
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (tree
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation, details
expanding) and styling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can play with
the Prototype
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://jsfiddle.net/risherry/cj25759w/embedded/#Result
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If we were to
translate to the mail template, there are
>> still
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be tested (like
translating the CSS selectors into
>> inline,
>>>>>>>>>> decide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email clients we
support, etc.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017
at 5:51 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-10-03 17:32
GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct
3, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Guillaume Delhumeau
<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-10-02
18:09 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <
>>>>> vincent(a)massol.net
>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2
Oct 2017, at 18:08, Vincent Massol <
>>>>> vincent(a)massol.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:05, Vincent Massol <
>>>>>>> vincent(a)massol.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Another feedback/questions:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *
Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the
> user
>>>>>>>>> profile?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *
We need a way to link directly to the diff, at
> least
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> events
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that
the user can see what was modified (as we
have
>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AS)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
* Maybe “2 hours ago” is not precise enough. In
>>>>>>> example I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> created
and modified the Roadmap page but they both
say
>>> “2
>>>>>>>>> hours
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago”.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn’t
I be able to see how far away both events
> were
>>>>>>> done?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My
understanding is that events are grouped by
app+type
>>>> but
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
anymore (for page events) and thus you can have 3
>> events
>>>>>>>>>>>>> displayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
page, f.ex: Creation, Modification, Deletion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you
could also have different users grouped in
>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>> composite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event. So
when you display the details, it would be
nice
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made
each event, and I see you have removed this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The focus of
this proposal is on user, compared to
the
>> old
>>>>>> one,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the
app/doc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Close to
what we have on Facebool. So it didn't made
>> sense
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a page has
been edited by vmassol, and that the
details
>>>>>>> showcase
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multiple user
actually did the edit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Facebook, you have
it actually:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://pasteboard.co/GOioRAT.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On XWiki, we have the
following (already implemented):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://pasteboard.co/GOiqgYf.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
-Vincent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
-Vincent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:01, Vincent Massol <
>>>>>>> vincent(a)massol.net
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica)
>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
valicac(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
NotificationsImprovements9x#HEventTypes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading
from
>>>> top
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
stopped at the overview :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
However I don’t think it scales since it means >>>>>> unique
>>>>>>>>>> icon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> per
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
combination of app type + event type.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What would scale better is two icons: one for
the
>> app
>>>>>> type
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
event type.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
For example imagine that the Blog app had the
>>>> following
>>>>>>>>>>>>> events:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
* When a blog post is published
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
* When a blog post is created
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
* When a blog post is removed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to
>> represent
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> 3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> events.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily
representative
of
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> app.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot
of apps can have a RSS feed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be
>> harder
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find
unique icons as we had more events to apps,
>>>> especially
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there’s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1
icon that is supposed to combine both app type +
>> event
>>>>>>>> type.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
-Vincent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Caty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol
<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
vincent(a)massol.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hi Caty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru
>> (Valica)
>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
valicac(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I've created some improvements suggestions
for
> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Notifications
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UI, see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/
bin/view/Proposal/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
NotificationsImprovements9x
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Let me know what you think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention
the
>>>>>> app?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
For example, could you show how a new Blog
>>> would
>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> displayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
differentiate that for example from a Page
> creation
>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
modification?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
-Vincent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Caty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume
Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Research
& Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committer on
the XWiki.org project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau
(guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Research &
Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committer on the
XWiki.org project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau
(guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Research & Development
Engineer at XWiki SAS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org
project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau
(guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer
at XWiki SAS
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau
(guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
>>>>>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki
SAS
>>>>>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau
(guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
>>>>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
>>>>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
>>>>>>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
>>>>>>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project
>
>