7 Nov
2012
7 Nov
'12
9:03 a.m.
On Nov 5, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Jerome Velociter <jerome(a)velociter.fr> wrote:
On 10/23/2012 09:33 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
My take on this:
* Either the project is a xwiki-contrib project and then it gets the tools and niceties
included for being an xwiki-contrib project (jira, CI, web site, ability to collaborate
equally between contributors, email notifications on xwiki lists, sonar dashboard coming
soon, maven remote repository, etc) or it's not and then it uses whatever tools it
wants but not xwiki's project resources. It seems fair to me.
* If we agree we should then update contrib.xwiki.org to explain better all that the user
will get by being an xwiki-contrib project and explain the alternative. And also explain
that if the user wants to host it himself then give him some direction for the maven
groupid/artifactid that he should or rather the ones he shouldn't use since it's
reserved (basicallty the rule is his groupid cannot start with org.xwiki, not sure if we
want to also say that his artifact id shouldn't start with "xwiki-" as its
done for maven plugins in apache land).
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
On Oct 23, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Ludovic Dubost
<ludovic(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi Vincent,
This is a interesting topic and there are several aspects to it.
For me the "discoverability" argument for having projects on
https://github.com/xwiki-contribdoes not make much sense. The centralized place for
projects around XWiki is http://extensions.xwiki.org, not github. There's the
"view source" button that tells where the sources are. Github is a convenience
here, and it's always possible to "copy" (or fork) a project in
xwiki-contrib, for whatever reason (original project not active, etc.).
That being said I understand why you think it's better to have as much projects as
possible under the xwiki-contrib umbrella : it makes it a one-stop shop with the same
tools, same workflow, same permissions, etc.
Here are the arguments I see for why one contributor or contributing organization would
want to host its projects itself :
- use of own tools and own workflow (github issues vs. JIRA for example).
- it allows a contributor or contributing organization to have it's own place to
centralize its contribution(s) (the "beef up" argument as you say). I think this
can make sense in some circonstances, especially for contributing organizations (companies
for example).
The bottom line comes down to : what rules do we want for using the
"org.xwiki.contrib" groupId and tools (maven repos, CI, etc.) ?
If we want a rule saying that the project should be hosted on github.com/xwiki-contrib/
then that's that, and I think it's fair. We just have to decide on it (right now
there is no such rule according to http://contrib.xwiki.org/). This should have been for devs Envoyé de mon
iPhone Début du message transféré :
> Expéditeur: Ludovic Dubost <ludovic(a)xwiki.com> Date: 23 octobre 2012 09:19:55
UTC+02:00 Destinataire: XWiki Users <users(a)xwiki.org> Objet: Github tracker. was:
Re: [xwiki-users] New Realtime collaborative editing extension. Just a quick. You seem to
introduce a practice to use the github tracker instead of xwiki.org jira's Not sure
it's a good thing. I'm sure Vincent will agree
Well, what I would prefer
personally is that contrib projects be in the xwiki-contrib organization and use the XWiki
tools (wiki, jira, etc). The reason is that this allows: * to group together projects
around XWiki (they're not scattered everywhere on the web and harder to find) * make
it a neutral location for people to collaborate together on xwiki projects. That's a
key element to contribution IMO * is more long term. If you stop working on the project
it's not going to be a dead project in someone's github repo and it'll have
more chance of being maintained/seen in the xwiki-contrib repo I know Jerome also puts his
contributions in his own github project and I had the same reservation about it. We
can't force anyone of course since this is a contribution but it's more
collaborative to make them xwiki-contrib project, following the rules defined at
http://contrib.xwiki.org I understand you may want to beef up your github profile but for
collaboration I feel the xwiki-contrib is better with the 2 arguments listed above.
Jerome, Caleb let me know what you think.
Jerome
Thanks -Vincent
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http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > Ludovic Envoyé de mon iPhone Le 23 oct. 2012
à 04:17, Caleb James DeLisle <calebdelisle(a)lavabit.com> a écrit :
>> One other thing, please report the features which you want and what you imagine
as best on the github tracker, it's easier to close an issue as "won't
fix" than it is to remember an important issue which nobody wrote down ;) Thanks
Caleb On 10/22/2012 10:14 PM, Caleb James DeLisle wrote:
>>> Hi, Thanks for the complement. I just updated it and fixed issue #1. Thanks
for reporting it. Somehow showing who else is editing, showing where they are editing in
the document and allowing the user to spawn a chat window with other editors on the page
are all interesting possibilities. Right now I think the thing to do is decide where there
is the most bang for your buck in terms of feature value and get an idea of what's
most natural for the user. Thanks, Caleb On 10/19/2012 07:59 AM, Ryszard Łach wrote:
>>>> Great work! It looks like good starting point to give xwiki the main (at
least for me) feature, that makes googledoc sometimes more suitable for collaborative
editing. It would be really great, if your editor would show somehow, where the other
editor (person) is now, where is his cursor. Maybe a highlight (the whole line) showing
the other's cursor placement? Do you plan to work on such improvements? R.
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