While I agree that this does not seem like the spontaneous thing one would wish, I believe it is a trend that is useful to follow. I was at a symposium on informatics education at school recently and the majority of software tools were discussed with a focus on mobiles, mostly tablets. Missing that wave in such a modern IDE sounds like a bad idea. I guess that accepting that the width has a minimum would be ok. Paul Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:

  On 7 Oct 2015 at 11:21:06, Caleb James DeLisle (cjd@cjdns.fr(mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr)) wrote: That’s fine! Note that none of the points have been universally agreed :) I’ve also reworded HIDE_EDIT_MODES. Note that I had put a question on WIKI_* as i don’t understand what it’s about and the description seems not related to WebIDE. Yes we cannot trust any votes if not all the columns have been filled. I think the process is a bit wrong and the first mail should have been about brainstorming a list of items, before doing any vote. But we’ll get there anyway (with a bit of churn). Cool to see tractions on webIDE app! :) Note: it would be nice to follow http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/DevGuide/BestPractices and http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/ApplicationDevelopmentBestPra… Thanks -Vincent

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 5:01 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com > Hi, > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd(a)cjdns.fr> >> Hello folks, thank you very very much for taking the time to rank these >> next steps, this is most helpful for us in deciding what we will do. >> >> 1. I made a small change to the page, adding easy to remember names to >> each feature, eg TABS, HIDE_EDIT_MODES, etc. >> >> 2. Vincent I removed your change from the HIDE_EDIT_MODES option because >> it has not been universally agreed that it must work on mobile devices >> and as it is not currently tested on such devices, making it work and/or >> making sure it works is a task which requires effort like the rest so I >> have added a new item, MOBILE_DEVICES to the list. >> >> With this new item, perhaps people may want to re-evaluate your votes ? >> >> I will propose we take the 2 highest voted options using the Condorcet >> method and proceed to make mockups and user-stories for these, then we >> may request more feedback and do another iteration. >> >> >> Finally: Caty do you suppose you could do an analysis on this application >> and provide us with usability feedback ? We are specifically interested to >> know: >> > > This would require some work from my part, so we might need to add it to > the roadmap. > When defining the AWM design I made this proposal in 2011 > > design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ApplicationWithinMinutesPropos… > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ApplicationWithinMinute… > which had the structure similar to an IDE. > > > >> A. How the application should be integrated in the platform >> (where you click to make it open) >> > > The logical place to access the IDE would not be a self-contained > application, but something similar to an Edit mode. > I don't understand why you've used the View mode. > We should extend the content menus (especially the Edit one) and let the > IDE application add its access point in there. > We could place it near 'Edit objects' or 'Edit class' and maybe in the > future even replace those editors (if the quality will be high enough). > The integration inside the Edit menu should be done with extensions points. Also we need to find a way to define an application and provide thie IDE editor just for applications. > > I also state again Vincent's point about declaring Syntax app as > dependency. > > I wasn't able to edit a page I defined part of the project or not even > expand the side panel tree, but I guess this app is still in the early > versions. > > Thanks, > Caty > > >> B. What should be displayed in the side panel, what should be available >> to click on by a developer in the application. >> Of course we also want to know anything else which comes to mind. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> Caleb >> >> >> >> >> >> On 06/10/15 20:59, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote: >> >>> I'm not sure about "it needs to work on mobile". I don't see myself >>> developing applications from a mobile phone, not even from a tablet. >>> >>> Great work so far! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Marius >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Yann Flory <yann.flory(a)xwiki.com>>> >>>> Hello devs, >>>> >>>> Recently, a new version of the XWebIDE ( >>>> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/XWebIDE+Application >>>> ) >>>> has been published which added the ability to work with Nested spaces in >>>> the application. >>>> In order to progress with the development of the extension, we've made a >>>> list of future relevant features to add to the application. We'd now >>>> like >>>> to have your opinion about the importance of each one of them (order the >>>> features based on their priority) and your ideas for new ones. You can >>>> find >>>> the list and add your vote in the table in the design wiki : >>>> >>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/XWebIDE+Application+Improve… >>>> We'd also like to know what are the required features which make you >>>> believe you'll use the application in the future. >>>> >>>> And feel free to provide any other feedback you may have about the >>>> current >>>> version of the XWebIDE application. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Yann >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> devs mailing list >>>> devs(a)xwiki.org >>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devs mailing list >>> devs(a)xwiki.org >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> devs(a)xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > >