3 May
2010
3 May
'10
4:34 p.m.
Hi devs,
I would like to fix the current inconsistencies in the way the change
password feature is implemented.
Actually, to be able to change a password, you need to be able to save the
document storing the XWikiUsers XObject. So edit right on the user profile
is just what you require, but, if you want to use the "change password"
feature implemented in passwd.vm, you need:
- either being on your own profile or having global (!) admin right, just
to see the "Change password" button
- either being on your own profile or having (local) admin right on this
profile, just to be able to use passwd.vm
This seems to me really inconsistant, since these protections implemented in
the UI part are either annoying or a false impression of security.
So, I propose to simplify this by only checking the real requirements, which
means only checking edit right on the user document ?
WDYT ?
Denis
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Denis Gervalle
SOFTEC sa - CEO
eGuilde sarl - CTO
3 May
3 May
4:57 p.m.
+1
Do not prohibit what you cannot prevent.
Caleb
Denis Gervalle wrote:
Hi devs,
I would like to fix the current inconsistencies in the way the change
password feature is implemented.
Actually, to be able to change a password, you need to be able to save the
document storing the XWikiUsers XObject. So edit right on the user profile
is just what you require, but, if you want to use the "change password"
feature implemented in passwd.vm, you need:
- either being on your own profile or having global (!) admin right, just
to see the "Change password" button
- either being on your own profile or having (local) admin right on this
profile, just to be able to use passwd.vm
This seems to me really inconsistant, since these protections implemented in
the UI part are either annoying or a false impression of security.
So, I propose to simplify this by only checking the real requirements, which
means only checking edit right on the user document ?
WDYT ?
Denis
8:23 p.m.
On 05/03/2010 04:34 PM, Denis Gervalle wrote:
Hi devs,
I would like to fix the current inconsistencies in the way the change
password feature is implemented.
Actually, to be able to change a password, you need to be able to save the
document storing the XWikiUsers XObject. So edit right on the user profile
is just what you require, but, if you want to use the "change password"
feature implemented in passwd.vm, you need:
- either being on your own profile or having global (!) admin right, just
to see the "Change password" button
- either being on your own profile or having (local) admin right on this
profile, just to be able to use passwd.vm
This seems to me really inconsistant, since these protections implemented in
the UI part are either annoying or a false impression of security.
So, I propose to simplify this by only checking the real requirements, which
means only checking edit right on the user document ?
WDYT ?
I don't like it so much. Even if the change is possible for random
users, I wouldn't like them to see a big "change this user's password"
button when looking at my profile. Most users of a wiki don't know how
to change a password through the object editor, but they do know how to
click on a link.
It's not about security, it's about ease of access to this dangerous
feature.
Anyway, in most wikis only the owner and the admins have edit right on a
profile, so it's the same thing in the end.
+1 for fixing the inconsistency in local/global admin rights.
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Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
4 May
4 May
9 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Fix inconsistencies in access to the change password feature
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 20:23, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On 05/03/2010 04:34 PM, Denis Gervalle wrote:
My users, those with extended rights (but not global admin right which is a
dangerous feature), call this one a useful feature, since their user, that
are even more ignorant of computer, always forget their passwords. Due to
XWIKI-4998 and also their misunderstanding of computers, their users does
not found or cannot use the forget password feature and call them. So for me
this is a feature, but I agree, we should change the button label to clearly
state that it change this user password.
Hi devs,
I would like to fix the current inconsistencies in the way the change
password feature is implemented.
Actually, to be able to change a password, you need to be able to save
the
document storing the XWikiUsers XObject. So edit
right on the user
profile
is just what you require, but, if you want to use
the "change password"
feature implemented in passwd.vm, you need:
- either being on your own profile or having global (!) admin right,
just
to see the "Change password" button
- either being on your own profile or having (local) admin right on
this
profile, just to be able to use passwd.vm
This seems to me really inconsistant, since these protections implemented
in
the UI part are either annoying or a false
impression of security.
So, I propose to simplify this by only checking the real requirements,
which
means only checking edit right on the user
document ?
WDYT ?
I don't like it so much. Even if the change is possible for random
users, I wouldn't like them to see a big "change this user's password"
button when looking at my profile. Most users of a wiki don't know how
to change a password through the object editor, but they do know how to
click on a link.
It's not about security, it's about ease of access to this dangerous
feature. Anyway, in most wikis only the owner and the admins
have edit right on a
profile, so it's the same thing in the end.
+1 for fixing the inconsistency in local/global admin rights.
If you talk about setting it to local admin right (in place of edit as I
propose), I would agree since I can provide admin right on user profile to
these extended users, but this introduce additional issues:
- the current right editor does not display admin right anymore on
documents
- we should also secure the same change password in the object editor by
also checking admin right
This is why I have proposed edit right to be checked, and consider that a
use case where the a user can change the name of another one but not its
password is really unusual.
Anyway, this change would deserve a clear explanation in the release note.
Denis
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SOFTEC sa - CEO
eGuilde sarl - CTO
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