7 Aug
2009
7 Aug
'09
11:22 a.m.
Hi Devs,
right now an user can go to the Office Importer page and try uploading a
file even when the backend OOo server isn't running. This leads to usability
issues. Thus I'd like to send a vote on the following 2 items:
- On the Office Importer page, add the following message:
-
"You cannot import an Office document since the conversion
server has not been started. Please ask an administrator to get it
started for you."
-
If the current user is an admin, the message should read: "You
cannot import an Office document since the OpenOffice server has not
been started yet. You can start the OpenOffice server and manage it
from this page (link to the OOo server administration page)."
-
In the action bar: add a check to see whether the OOo server is
running and don't display the link if the OOo server is not.
Here's my +1 to both.
Guillaume
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7 Aug
7 Aug
11:27 a.m.
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <guillaume(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
Hi Devs,
right now an user can go to the Office Importer page and try uploading a
file even when the backend OOo server isn't running. This leads to
usability
issues. Thus I'd like to send a vote on the following 2 items:
- On the Office Importer page, add the following message:
-
"You cannot import an Office document since the conversion
server has not been started. Please ask an administrator to get it
started for you."
-
If the current user is an admin, the message should read: "You
cannot import an Office document since the OpenOffice server has not
been started yet. You can start the OpenOffice server and manage it
from this page (link to the OOo server administration page)."
-
In the action bar: add a check to see whether the OOo server is
running and don't display the link if the OOo server is not.
Here's my +1 to both.
+1
Thanks.
- Asiri
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11:31 a.m.
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:22, Guillaume Lerouge<guillaume(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi Devs,
right now an user can go to the Office Importer page and try uploading a
file even when the backend OOo server isn't running. This leads to usability
issues. Thus I'd like to send a vote on the following 2 items:
- On the Office Importer page, add the following message:
-
"You cannot import an Office document since the conversion
server has not been started. Please ask an administrator to get it
started for you."
-
If the current user is an admin, the message should read: "You
cannot import an Office document since the OpenOffice server has not
been started yet. You can start the OpenOffice server and manage it
from this page (link to the OOo server administration page)."
-
In the action bar: add a check to see whether the OOo server is
running and don't display the link if the OOo server is not.
Here's my +1 to both.
+1
Guillaume
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11:34 a.m.
On Aug 7, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi Devs,
right now an user can go to the Office Importer page and try
uploading a
file even when the backend OOo server isn't running. This leads to
usability
issues. Thus I'd like to send a vote on the following 2 items:
- On the Office Importer page, add the following message:
-
"You cannot import an Office document since the conversion
server has not been started. Please ask an administrator to get it
started for you."
-
If the current user is an admin, the message should read: "You
cannot import an Office document since the OpenOffice server has not
been started yet. You can start the OpenOffice server and manage it
from this page (link to the OOo server administration page)."
+1
-
In the action bar: add a check to see whether the OOo server is
running and don't display the link if the OOo server is not.
-0
I'm not a big fan of magically hiding things. How will a user know
there's an office import feature?
I prefer that the menu entry stays and the page explains that the
office importer is not started.
I'd like to add a new behavior though (if it's not already done):
- if the office importer app is not installed (we can test for the
main office importer page availability) then the menu entry shouldn't
appear.
Thanks
-Vincent
11:41 a.m.
Hi,
I'd like to add a new behavior though (if it's not already done):
- if the office importer app is not installed (we can
test for the
main office importer page availability) then the menu entry shouldn't
appear.
Yes, this is already implemented.
Thanks.
- Asiri
Thanks
-Vincent
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11:52 a.m.
Hi,
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On Aug 7, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
That's basically the issue. If we leave the link, we build an user
expectation. The expectation isn't fulfilled and the user is left to contact
his/her administrator, which is frustrating. Additionally, under some
circumstances the OOo server cannot be installed at all (this has happened
at customer sites). The project manager is then left to explain why the
server can't work and has to handle additional questions.
Thus I think the user doesn't have to know that the feature exists if the
administrator has not activated it. The question then becomes: how does the
administrator knows that the feature exists? I can see 2 options:
- Make the check be: "if the user isn't an admin & the server isn't
running" so that admins know about the feature
- Keep the check as it is and assume that admins that want to make the
OOo server work will find out how since it's an often requested feature
I'd like to add a new behavior though (if it's not already done):
Hi Devs,
right now an user can go to the Office Importer page and try
uploading a
file even when the backend OOo server isn't running. This leads to
usability
issues. Thus I'd like to send a vote on the following 2 items:
- On the Office Importer page, add the following message:
-
"You cannot import an Office document since the conversion
server has not been started. Please ask an administrator to get it
started for you."
-
If the current user is an admin, the message should read: "You
cannot import an Office document since the OpenOffice server has not
been started yet. You can start the OpenOffice server and manage it
from this page (link to the OOo server administration page)."
+1
-
In the action bar: add a check to see whether the OOo server is
running and don't display the link if the OOo server is not.
-0
I'm not a big fan of magically hiding things. How will a user know
there's an office import feature?
I prefer that the menu entry stays and the page explains that the
office importer is not started. - if the office importer app is not installed (we can
test for the
main office importer page availability) then the menu entry shouldn't
appear.
The OOo app comes bundled by default with XE. It's always there by default.
This option doesn't solve the user expectation issue.
Guillaume
Thanks
-Vincent
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On Aug 7, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
No it's good. It's the pb of the admin if he has forgotten to start it.
On Aug 7, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
That's basically the issue. If we leave the link, we build an user
expectation. The expectation isn't fulfilled and the user is left to
contact
his/her administrator, which is frustrating. Hi Devs,
right now an user can go to the Office Importer page and try
uploading a
file even when the backend OOo server isn't running. This leads to
usability
issues. Thus I'd like to send a vote on the following 2 items:
- On the Office Importer page, add the following message:
-
"You cannot import an Office document since the conversion
server has not been started. Please ask an administrator to get it
started for you."
-
If the current user is an admin, the message should read: "You
cannot import an Office document since the OpenOffice server has not
been started yet. You can start the OpenOffice server and manage it
from this page (link to the OOo server administration page)."
+1
-
In the action bar: add a check to see whether the OOo server is
running and don't display the link if the OOo server is not.
-0
I'm not a big fan of magically hiding things. How will a user know
there's an office import feature?
I prefer that the menu entry stays and the page explains that the
office importer is not started. Additionally, under some
circumstances the OOo server cannot be installed at all (this has
happened
at customer sites). The project manager is then left to explain why
the
server can't work and has to handle additional questions.
No: in this case the admin should remove the officeimporter app.
Thanks
-Vincent
Thus I think the user doesn't have to know that
the feature exists
if the
administrator has not activated it. The question then becomes: how
does the
administrator knows that the feature exists? I can see 2 options:
- Make the check be: "if the user isn't an admin & the server isn't
running" so that admins know about the feature
- Keep the check as it is and assume that admins that want to make
the
OOo server work will find out how since it's an often requested
feature
I'd like to add a new behavior though (if it's not already done):
- if the office importer app is not installed (we
can test for the
main office importer page availability) then the menu entry shouldn't
appear.
The OOo app comes bundled by default with XE. It's always there by
default.
This option doesn't solve the user expectation issue.
Guillaume
12:13 p.m.
Hi,
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On Aug 7, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
The only drawback I see is that until we have an application manager it's a
bit harder for the Admin to bring the application back after deleting it (he
needs to re-install it instead of simply changing a configuration setting).
But indeed, it's not a big drawback. The admin could also simply rename the
page.
Since the 3rd option (hide the menu if the application isn't installed) is
already implemented, I think we can cancel the second part of the vote.
Asiri, ping me if you need help for the message's wording.
Guillaume
Thanks
Hi,
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
No it's good. It's the pb of the admin if he has forgotten to start it.
On Aug 7, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
That's basically the issue. If we leave the link, we build an user
expectation. The expectation isn't fulfilled and the user is left to
contact
his/her administrator, which is frustrating. Hi Devs,
right now an user can go to the Office Importer page and try
uploading a
file even when the backend OOo server isn't running. This leads to
usability
issues. Thus I'd like to send a vote on the following 2 items:
- On the Office Importer page, add the following message:
-
"You cannot import an Office document since the conversion
server has not been started. Please ask an administrator to get it
started for you."
-
If the current user is an admin, the message should read: "You
cannot import an Office document since the OpenOffice server has not
been started yet. You can start the OpenOffice server and manage it
from this page (link to the OOo server administration page)."
+1
-
In the action bar: add a check to see whether the OOo server is
running and don't display the link if the OOo server is not.
-0
I'm not a big fan of magically hiding things. How will a user know
there's an office import feature?
I prefer that the menu entry stays and the page explains that the
office importer is not started. Additionally, under some
circumstances the OOo server cannot be installed at all (this has
happened
at customer sites). The project manager is then left to explain why
the
server can't work and has to handle additional questions.
No: in this case the admin should remove the officeimporter app. -Vincent
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Thus I think the user doesn't have to know
that the feature exists
if the
administrator has not activated it. The question then becomes: how
does the
administrator knows that the feature exists? I can see 2 options:
- Make the check be: "if the user isn't an admin & the server isn't
running" so that admins know about the feature
- Keep the check as it is and assume that admins that want to make
the
OOo server work will find out how since it's an often requested
feature
I'd like to add a new behavior though (if it's not already done):
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- if the office importer app is not installed (we
can test for the
main office importer page availability) then the menu entry shouldn't
appear.
The OOo app comes bundled by default with XE. It's always there by
default.
This option doesn't solve the user expectation issue.
Guillaume
28 Sep
28 Sep
5:43 p.m.
Hi,
No: in this case the admin should remove the
officeimporter app.
The only drawback I see is that until we have an application manager it's a
bit harder for the Admin to bring the application back after deleting it
(he
needs to re-install it instead of simply changing a configuration setting).
But indeed, it's not a big drawback. The admin could also simply rename the
page.
Since the 3rd option (hide the menu if the application isn't installed) is
already implemented, I think we can cancel the second part of the vote.
Asiri, ping me if you need help for the message's wording.
I think we should extend this to display a message in officeimporter wysiwyg
plugin's file upload tab if the openoffice server is not present. This is
consistent with what we are going to do for officeimporter application.
Related JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XAOFFICE-25
I'm going to implement these changes by tomorrow. Please let me know if any
of you are against it.
Thanks.
- Asiri
Guillaume
Thanks
-Vincent
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Thus I think the user doesn't have to know
that the feature exists
if the
administrator has not activated it. The question then becomes: how
does the
administrator knows that the feature exists? I can see 2 options:
- Make the check be: "if the user isn't an admin & the server isn't
running" so that admins know about the feature
- Keep the check as it is and assume that admins that want to make
the
OOo server work will find out how since it's an often requested
feature
I'd like to add a new behavior though (if it's not already done):
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- if the office importer app is not installed (we
can test for the
main office importer page availability) then the menu entry shouldn't
appear.
The OOo app comes bundled by default with XE. It's always there by
default.
This option doesn't solve the user expectation issue.
Guillaume
5:54 p.m.
On Sep 28, 2009, at 5:43 PM, Asiri Rathnayake wrote:
Hi,
I thought we agree not to display the office importer menu entry if
the office importer app wasn't installed?
To be consistent we shouldn't have an office import action in the
wysiwyg if the office importer app isn't installed too
Maybe we should not display the entries if the office server is not
started too.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
No: in this case the admin should remove the
officeimporter app.
The only drawback I see is that until we have an application
manager it's a
bit harder for the Admin to bring the application back after
deleting it
(he
needs to re-install it instead of simply changing a configuration
setting).
But indeed, it's not a big drawback. The admin could also simply
rename the
page.
Since the 3rd option (hide the menu if the application isn't
installed) is
already implemented, I think we can cancel the second part of the
vote.
Asiri, ping me if you need help for the message's wording.
I think we should extend this to display a message in officeimporter
wysiwyg
plugin's file upload tab if the openoffice server is not present.
This is
consistent with what we are going to do for officeimporter
application.
Related JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XAOFFICE-25
I'm going to implement these changes by tomorrow. Please let me know
if any
of you are against it.
Thanks.
- Asiri
>
> Guillaume
>
> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>> Thus I think the user doesn't have to know that the feature exists
>>> if the
>>> administrator has not activated it. The question then becomes: how
>>> does the
>>> administrator knows that the feature exists? I can see 2 options:
>>>
>>> - Make the check be: "if the user isn't an admin & the server
>>> isn't
>>> running" so that admins know about the feature
>>> - Keep the check as it is and assume that admins that want to make
>>> the
>>> OOo server work will find out how since it's an often requested
>>> feature
>>>
>>> I'd like to add a new behavior though (if it's not already done):
>>>> - if the office importer app is not installed (we can test for the
>>>> main office importer page availability) then the menu entry
>>>> shouldn't
>>>> appear.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The OOo app comes bundled by default with XE. It's always there by
>>> default.
>>> This option doesn't solve the user expectation issue.
>>>
>>> Guillaume
6:05 p.m.
Hi,
I thought we agree not to display the office importer menu entry if
the office importer app wasn't installed?
Yes, this is already implemented. I was talking about office importer
wysiwyg plugin only.
To be consistent we shouldn't have an office
import action in the
wysiwyg if the office importer app isn't installed too
Hmmmm, this I'm not sure about.
Copying / pasting from office documents can function even without having an
openoffice server. This functionality doesn't depend on officeimporter
application, though it depends on officeimporter module
(xwiki-officeimporter).
My suggestion was about file upload tab inside officeimporter wysiwyg
dialog, which requires openoffice server to function.
Maybe we should not display the entries if the office
server is not
started too.
I think you are referring to officeimporter xwiki-ui behaviour, this we have
voted and finalized.
Thanks.
- Asiri
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks.
- Asiri
>
> Guillaume
>
> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>> Thus I think the user doesn't have to know that the feature exists
>>> if the
>>> administrator has not activated it. The question then becomes: how
>>> does the
>>> administrator knows that the feature exists? I can see 2 options:
>>>
>>> - Make the check be: "if the user isn't an admin & the server
>>> isn't
>>> running" so that admins know about the feature
>>> - Keep the check as it is and assume that admins that want to make
>>> the
>>> OOo server work will find out how since it's an often requested
>>> feature
>>>
>>> I'd like to add a new behavior though (if it's not already done):
>>>> - if the office importer app is not installed (we can test for the
>>>> main office importer page availability) then the menu entry
>>>> shouldn't
>>>> appear.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The OOo app comes bundled by default with XE. It's always there by
>>> default.
>>> This option doesn't solve the user expectation issue.
>>>
>>> Guillaume
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On Sep 28, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Asiri Rathnayake wrote:
Hi,
I thought we agree not to display the office importer menu entry if
Yes, my question was: why have this tab enabled when the openoffice
server is not started?
Thanks
-Vincent
the office importer app wasn't installed?
Yes, this is already implemented. I was talking about office importer
wysiwyg plugin only.
To be consistent we shouldn't have an office
import action in the
wysiwyg if the office importer app isn't installed too
Hmmmm, this I'm not sure about.
Copying / pasting from office documents can function even without
having an
openoffice server. This functionality doesn't depend on officeimporter
application, though it depends on officeimporter module
(xwiki-officeimporter).
My suggestion was about file upload tab inside officeimporter wysiwyg
dialog, which requires openoffice server to function. Maybe we
should not display the entries if the office server is not
started too.
I think you are referring to officeimporter xwiki-ui behaviour, this
we have
voted and finalized.
Thanks.
- Asiri
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
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Thanks.
- Asiri
>
> Guillaume
>
> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>> Thus I think the user doesn't have to know that the feature
>>> exists
>>> if the
>>> administrator has not activated it. The question then becomes:
>>> how
>>> does the
>>> administrator knows that the feature exists? I can see 2 options:
>>>
>>> - Make the check be: "if the user isn't an admin & the server
>>> isn't
>>> running" so that admins know about the feature
>>> - Keep the check as it is and assume that admins that want to
>>> make
>>> the
>>> OOo server work will find out how since it's an often requested
>>> feature
>>>
>>> I'd like to add a new behavior though (if it's not already done):
>>>> - if the office importer app is not installed (we can test for
>>>> the
>>>> main office importer page availability) then the menu entry
>>>> shouldn't
>>>> appear.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The OOo app comes bundled by default with XE. It's always there
>>> by
>>> default.
>>> This option doesn't solve the user expectation issue.
>>>
>>> Guillaume
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Hi,
My suggestion was about file upload tab inside
officeimporter wysiwyg
Yes, we can either:
1. Completely hide the file upload tab if the openoffice server is not
present.
2. Display a "teaser" message in the file upload tab saying "This
functionality requires ....".
I thought (2) was more consistent with what we are going to do for
officeimporter application UI (display a message saying openoffice server is
not started etc.)
Thanks.
- Asiri
dialog, which requires openoffice server to
function.
Yes, my question was: why have this tab enabled when the openoffice
server is not started?
Thanks
-Vincent
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Maybe we
should not display the entries if the office server is not
started too.
I think you are referring to officeimporter xwiki-ui behaviour, this
we have
voted and finalized.
Thanks.
- Asiri
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
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Thanks.
- Asiri
>
> Guillaume
>
> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>> Thus I think the user doesn't have to know that the feature
>>> exists
>>> if the
>>> administrator has not activated it. The question then becomes:
>>> how
>>> does the
>>> administrator knows that the feature exists? I can see 2 options:
>>>
>>> - Make the check be: "if the user isn't an admin & the server
>>> isn't
>>> running" so that admins know about the feature
>>> - Keep the check as it is and assume that admins that want to
>>> make
>>> the
>>> OOo server work will find out how since it's an often requested
>>> feature
>>>
>>> I'd like to add a new behavior though (if it's not already done):
>>>> - if the office importer app is not installed (we can test for
>>>> the
>>>> main office importer page availability) then the menu entry
>>>> shouldn't
>>>> appear.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The OOo app comes bundled by default with XE. It's always there
>>> by
>>> default.
>>> This option doesn't solve the user expectation issue.
>>>
>>> Guillaume
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6:20 p.m.
On Sep 28, 2009, at 6:15 PM, Asiri Rathnayake wrote:
Hi,
Well we're not doing this right now for the office importer UI.... I
reported it in jira AFAIR.
Right now the top level menu entry is always present and if you click
on it you have the form available to upload a file even if the server
is not ready.
-Vincent
My suggestion was about file upload tab inside
officeimporter wysiwyg
Yes, we can either:
1. Completely hide the file upload tab if the openoffice server is not
present.
2. Display a "teaser" message in the file upload tab saying "This
functionality requires ....".
I thought (2) was more consistent with what we are going to do for
officeimporter application UI (display a message saying openoffice
server is
not started etc.) dialog, which requires openoffice server to
function.
Yes, my question was: why have this tab enabled when the openoffice
server is not started?
Thanks.
- Asiri
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>>> Maybe we should not display the entries if the office server is not
>>> started too.
>>>
>>
>> I think you are referring to officeimporter xwiki-ui behaviour, this
>> we have
>> voted and finalized.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> - Asiri
>>
>>
>>>
>>> WDYT?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> - Asiri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Guillaume
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thus I think the user doesn't have to know that the
feature
>>>>>>> exists
>>>>>>> if the
>>>>>>> administrator has not activated it. The question then
becomes:
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> does the
>>>>>>> administrator knows that the feature exists? I can see 2
>>>>>>> options:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Make the check be: "if the user isn't an admin
& the server
>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>> running" so that admins know about the feature
>>>>>>> - Keep the check as it is and assume that admins that want
to
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> OOo server work will find out how since it's an often
requested
>>>>>>> feature
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to add a new behavior though (if it's not
already
>>>>>>> done):
>>>>>>>> - if the office importer app is not installed (we can
test for
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> main office importer page availability) then the menu
entry
>>>>>>>> shouldn't
>>>>>>>> appear.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The OOo app comes bundled by default with XE. It's always
there
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> default.
>>>>>>> This option doesn't solve the user expectation issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Guillaume
6:28 p.m.
Hi,
Well we're not doing this right now for the office importer UI.... I
reported it in jira AFAIR.
Right now the top level menu entry is always present and if you click
on it you have the form available to upload a file even if the server
is not ready.
Yes, I'm going to fix http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XAOFFICE-25 by
tomorrow and then,
1. If the officeimporter application is installed "create"->"page from
office document will be present". will be present, otherwise it will not be
displayed.
2. When the user navigates to officeimporter UI, if the openoffice server is
_not_ started:
i) If the user is an admin, a message will explain the admin the situation
and point him where he can start the server.
ii) If the user is an ordinary user, a message will explain him that he
should bug the admin about this missing (great) functionality.
We had agreed on this functionality eventhough I was not able to implement
it.
Thanks.
- Asiri
-Vincent
Thanks.
- Asiri
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>>> Maybe we should not display the entries if the office server is not
>>> started too.
>>>
>>
>> I think you are referring to officeimporter xwiki-ui behaviour, this
>> we have
>> voted and finalized.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> - Asiri
>>
>>
>>>
>>> WDYT?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> - Asiri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Guillaume
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thus I think the user doesn't have to know that the
feature
>>>>>>> exists
>>>>>>> if the
>>>>>>> administrator has not activated it. The question then
becomes:
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> does the
>>>>>>> administrator knows that the feature exists? I can see 2
>>>>>>> options:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Make the check be: "if the user isn't an admin
& the server
>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>> running" so that admins know about the feature
>>>>>>> - Keep the check as it is and assume that admins that want
to
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> OOo server work will find out how since it's an often
requested
>>>>>>> feature
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to add a new behavior though (if it's not
already
>>>>>>> done):
>>>>>>>> - if the office importer app is not installed (we can
test for
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> main office importer page availability) then the menu
entry
>>>>>>>> shouldn't
>>>>>>>> appear.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The OOo app comes bundled by default with XE. It's always
there
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> default.
>>>>>>> This option doesn't solve the user expectation issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Guillaume
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New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Hide Office Importer Features when the OOo server isn't running
Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi Devs,
right now an user can go to the Office Importer page and try uploading a
file even when the backend OOo server isn't running. This leads to usability
issues. Thus I'd like to send a vote on the following 2 items:
- On the Office Importer page, add the following message:
-
"You cannot import an Office document since the conversion
server has not been started. Please ask an administrator to get it
started for you."
-
If the current user is an admin, the message should read: "You
cannot import an Office document since the OpenOffice server has not
been started yet. You can start the OpenOffice server and manage it
from this page (link to the OOo server administration page)."
"this" is not a good term. If you don't notice the link, then it reads
as "you can manage it from this page you are looking at", which is wrong.
"...manage it from the [OOo server administration section]."
-
In the action bar: add a check to see whether the OOo server is
running and don't display the link if the OOo server is not.
+1
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Sergiu Dumitriu
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Vincent Massol