On 17 Aug 2017, at 16:14, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi, Proposal for AdminGuide: http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/Flavors/TechnicalDocume…

Current: http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/ Thanks, Caty On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote: > Hi Caty, > >> On 11 Aug 2017, at 13:51, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Hi devs, >> >> While thinking about what features a Technical Documentation Flavor [1] >> should have, I came up with some ideas that we could integrate inside >> xwiki.org in order to make it a better documentation website: >> - navigation tree in the left panel, see >> -- >> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/Flavors/ > TechnicalDocumentationFlavor/ExampleXWiki/WebHome/xwiki_doc_partial.png > > As already discussed with you, I really like this screenshot. I find the > UI to be very clean and simple and the navigation on the left is perfect > for a documentation web site. > >> compared to >> -- http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Installation >> - simpler skin (at least remove the comments area - lots of deprecated >> questions/answers and we have now the forum for that) >> - simpler menu (less entries + merge with the navbar if technical > possible >> now, otherwise wait for newer version) >> - simpler footer area by removing the number of links displayed (we need > to >> look at mouseflow) >> >> Would be great also to upgrade XWiki.org to a newer version. > > Yep. > >> There were all sorts of ideas in the past like: >> - displaying 'Edit' also for unregistered in order to encourage edits >> - display 'Register'/'Log-in' links in the navbar in order to encourage >> edits >> these are not part of the current proposal, but keep the ideas coming :) > we >> will try to implement them when we can. >> >> Of course it would be great if we would had time to: >> - update the docs content >> - reorganize pages >> - update the blog styling >> - etc. >> but I guess small changes will come in time. >> >> Let me know what you think, > > I’m really excited by this. I also believe a new L&F is needed for > xwiki.org (been several years that it’s not been changed and novelty is > nice). > > I think you should start implementing this skin on xwiki.org if you can > find some time and on my side I’m willing to help to move/reorganize the > content around (which will be needed as soon as we display the navigation > menu on the left). > > Anyone else interested to help out too? > > Thanks > -Vincent > > >> Caty >> >> [1] >> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Flavors/ > TechnicalDocumentationFlavor/ > >

Would be even better with some icons for each box, but nice proposal :) 2017-08-17 16:29 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>et>: valicac(a)gmail.com [1] doc_partial.png the perfect deprecated encourage is can the -- Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project

On 18 Aug 2017, at 15:28, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi, Proposal for UserGuide: http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/Flavors/TechnicalDocume…

Current: http://enterprise.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/UserGuide/ Thanks, Caty On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 8:23 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Hi, > > Proposal for DevGuide: > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/Flavors/ > TechnicalDocumentationFlavor/ExampleXWiki/WebHome/DevGuide.png > > Current: http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/DevGuide/ > > If you have better grouping names/entries, let me know. > > Thanks, > Caty > > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau < > guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: > >> Would be even better with some icons for each box, but nice proposal :) >> >> 2017-08-17 16:29 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;et>: >> >>> >>>> On 17 Aug 2017, at 16:14, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Proposal for AdminGuide: >>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/Flavors/ >>> TechnicalDocumentationFlavor/ExampleXWiki/WebHome/AdminGuide.png >>> >>> So 3 sections: >>> * Highlighted topics >>> * Main topics >>> * Other topics >>> >>> Sounds good to me. >>> >>> Thanks >>> -Vincent >>> >>>> >>>> Current: http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/ >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Caty >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Caty, >>>>> >>>>>> On 11 Aug 2017, at 13:51, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >> valicac(a)gmail.com >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi devs, >>>>>> >>>>>> While thinking about what features a Technical Documentation Flavor >> [1] >>>>>> should have, I came up with some ideas that we could integrate >> inside >>>>>> xwiki.org in order to make it a better documentation website: >>>>>> - navigation tree in the left panel, see >>>>>> -- >>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/Flavors/ >>>>> TechnicalDocumentationFlavor/ExampleXWiki/WebHome/xwiki_doc_ >> partial.png >>>>> >>>>> As already discussed with you, I really like this screenshot. I find >> the >>>>> UI to be very clean and simple and the navigation on the left is >> perfect >>>>> for a documentation web site. >>>>> >>>>>> compared to >>>>>> -- http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Installation >>>>>> - simpler skin (at least remove the comments area - lots of >> deprecated >>>>>> questions/answers and we have now the forum for that) >>>>>> - simpler menu (less entries + merge with the navbar if technical >>>>> possible >>>>>> now, otherwise wait for newer version) >>>>>> - simpler footer area by removing the number of links displayed (we >>> need >>>>> to >>>>>> look at mouseflow) >>>>>> >>>>>> Would be great also to upgrade XWiki.org to a newer version. >>>>> >>>>> Yep. >>>>> >>>>>> There were all sorts of ideas in the past like: >>>>>> - displaying 'Edit' also for unregistered in order to encourage >> edits >>>>>> - display 'Register'/'Log-in' links in the navbar in order to >> encourage >>>>>> edits >>>>>> these are not part of the current proposal, but keep the ideas >> coming >>> :) >>>>> we >>>>>> will try to implement them when we can. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course it would be great if we would had time to: >>>>>> - update the docs content >>>>>> - reorganize pages >>>>>> - update the blog styling >>>>>> - etc. >>>>>> but I guess small changes will come in time. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me know what you think, >>>>> >>>>> I’m really excited by this. I also believe a new L&F is needed for >>>>> xwiki.org (been several years that it’s not been changed and >> novelty is >>>>> nice). >>>>> >>>>> I think you should start implementing this skin on xwiki.org if you >> can >>>>> find some time and on my side I’m willing to help to move/reorganize >> the >>>>> content around (which will be needed as soon as we display the >>> navigation >>>>> menu on the left). >>>>> >>>>> Anyone else interested to help out too? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> -Vincent >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Caty >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] >>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Flavors/ >>>>> TechnicalDocumentationFlavor/ >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >> Committer on the XWiki.org project >> > >

On 18 Aug 2017, at 15:48, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: The displayed videos are from Dec 2015, done on XWiki 7.4 (by Silvia) and Mar 2016, on XWiki 7.4.1 (by Andrea Russo).

Thanks, Caty On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; wrote: > Hi, > >> On 18 Aug 2017, at 15:28, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Proposal for UserGuide: >> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/Flavors/ > TechnicalDocumentationFlavor/ExampleXWiki/WebHome/UserGuide.png > > It’s nice and I like it but it has a cost: we need to redo all videos > since they’re old. > > Thanks > -Vincent > >> >> Current: >> http://enterprise.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/UserGuide/ >> >> Thanks, >> Caty >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 8:23 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Proposal for DevGuide: >>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/Flavors/ >>> TechnicalDocumentationFlavor/ExampleXWiki/WebHome/DevGuide.png >>> >>> Current: http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/DevGuide/ >>> >>> If you have better grouping names/entries, let me know. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Caty >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau < >>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> Would be even better with some icons for each box, but nice proposal :) >>>> >>>> 2017-08-17 16:29 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;et>: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 17 Aug 2017, at 16:14, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Proposal for AdminGuide: >>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/Flavors/ >>>>> TechnicalDocumentationFlavor/ExampleXWiki/WebHome/AdminGuide.png >>>>> >>>>> So 3 sections: >>>>> * Highlighted topics >>>>> * Main topics >>>>> * Other topics >>>>> >>>>> Sounds good to me. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> -Vincent >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Current: http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Caty >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Caty, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11 Aug 2017, at 13:51, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>> valicac(a)gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi devs, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While thinking about what features a Technical Documentation Flavor >>>> [1] >>>>>>>> should have, I came up with some ideas that we could integrate >>>> inside >>>>>>>> xwiki.org in order to make it a better documentation website: >>>>>>>> - navigation tree in the left panel, see >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/Flavors/ >>>>>>> TechnicalDocumentationFlavor/ExampleXWiki/WebHome/xwiki_doc_ >>>> partial.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As already discussed with you, I really like this screenshot. I find >>>> the >>>>>>> UI to be very clean and simple and the navigation on the left is >>>> perfect >>>>>>> for a documentation web site. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> compared to >>>>>>>> -- http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/ > Installation >>>>>>>> - simpler skin (at least remove the comments area - lots of >>>> deprecated >>>>>>>> questions/answers and we have now the forum for that) >>>>>>>> - simpler menu (less entries + merge with the navbar if technical >>>>>>> possible >>>>>>>> now, otherwise wait for newer version) >>>>>>>> - simpler footer area by removing the number of links displayed (we >>>>> need >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> look at mouseflow) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Would be great also to upgrade XWiki.org to a newer version. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yep. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There were all sorts of ideas in the past like: >>>>>>>> - displaying 'Edit' also for unregistered in order to encourage >>>> edits >>>>>>>> - display 'Register'/'Log-in' links in the navbar in order to >>>> encourage >>>>>>>> edits >>>>>>>> these are not part of the current proposal, but keep the ideas >>>> coming >>>>> :) >>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> will try to implement them when we can. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Of course it would be great if we would had time to: >>>>>>>> - update the docs content >>>>>>>> - reorganize pages >>>>>>>> - update the blog styling >>>>>>>> - etc. >>>>>>>> but I guess small changes will come in time. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let me know what you think, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’m really excited by this. I also believe a new L&F is needed for >>>>>>> xwiki.org (been several years that it’s not been changed and >>>> novelty is >>>>>>> nice). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think you should start implementing this skin on xwiki.org if you >>>> can >>>>>>> find some time and on my side I’m willing to help to move/reorganize >>>> the >>>>>>> content around (which will be needed as soon as we display the >>>>> navigation >>>>>>> menu on the left). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyone else interested to help out too? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Caty >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] >>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Flavors/ >>>>>>> TechnicalDocumentationFlavor/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) >>>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >>>> Committer on the XWiki.org project >>>> >>> >>> > >

Hi, And the last batch from the Documentation 'saga': Proposal for Getting Started: http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/Flavors/ TechnicalDocumentationFlavor/ExampleXWiki/WebHome/GettingStarted.png Current Getting Started: http://enterprise.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/GettingStarted/ --------- Proposal for Documentation: http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/Flavors/ TechnicalDocumentationFlavor/ExampleXWiki/WebHome/Documentation.png Current Documentation: http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Documentation Thanks, Caty P.S: Icons for Guillaume and Eduard :) On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; wrote:

Hi, Replying a bit late, but here are my thoughts, On 08/21/2017 06:15 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote: Enterprise +1 for the two propositions, IMHO we should have a really good idea on how to organize xwiki.org before moving the doc. That means having clear categories, and clear subcategories (which is, from my point of view, not really the case actually).

One example : - Documentation : how to work with XWiki ? - For users - For administrators - For extension developers - Maybe some elements from contrib.xwiki.org - For core developers - Coding style - Development process - References - Script Services - UIXP - … - Project : the state / the evolution of the project - Releases - Release notes - Release plans - Health - GitHub stats - Active installs - Blog

IMHO, having multiple subwikis is not that big of a deal if we don’t include too much links hopping from one wiki to another. Also, the wiki name should be relevant to a standard user. For example, I’m not sure that a standard user understands what platform.xwiki.org is made for. Anyway, we might have to develop this in another thread … Devs. [...] valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; obsolete We could create a special "functional tour" that is based on what we currently do with functional tests but that associates an audio file to each step of the platform walkthrough. OFC we would have to record audio files and it could be a pain (and time consuming), but at least it’s fun, and we can re-use parts of this functional tour after an upgrade.

The documentation design looks really really nice !

Thanks ! Clément