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 From: Ludovic Dubost [mailto:ludovic@xwiki.com]
 Sent: vendredi 29 décembre 2006 15:11
 To: xwiki-dev(a)objectweb.org
 Subject: Re: [xwiki-dev] [vote] Skin naming convention
 Hi,
 We have some settings in xwiki.cfg which are there to help. These are
 xwiki.defaultskin and xwiki.baseskin which allow to set what the
 default skin should be for an XWiki installation.
 This will allow in the future to not have a "default" skin anymore. The
 way it was done in this version had the objective to ease the
 transition for upgrades for people having run 0.9.840 and SVN versions
 priori to 1.0 Beta 1.
 I believe now that we should depreciate the older skins and package
 them as zip files on 
xwiki.org. People can be directed to these skins
 and to the xwiki.defaultskin setting if they need these skins for
 compatibility.
 I think in the end we should have only one skin directory in the XWiki
 release and it should be named  by the major version of the release
 (xwiki10 for all 1.0 versions) All the other skins, including the older
 ones should be available as downloads on 
xwiki.org, including
 xwiki09.zip, xwiki10b1.zip, etc..
 I think I'm voting the same as Sergiu, but I'm not sure.. 
I agree with everything above except for the skin naming scheme. I'm not sure why we
would want to keep the skin name in sync with the XWiki released versions. I do agree that
for each skin we should state the compatibility (works with 0.9.x, 1.0 beta1, etc), but I
think skin names should be independent of the xwiki versions (see my previous mail in this
thread for more details).
Thanks
-Vincent
  Sergiu Dumitriu a écrit :
  The current trunk version has 4 skin directories:
 - 'default' is the skin used until this autumn, the classic XWiki
 skin, which can still be seen on 
old.xwiki.org <http://old.xwiki.org>
 - 'new' is (AFAIK) a failed experiment for implementing a new skin,
 mostly empty, unused
 - 'xwiki10' is the skin developed this summer/autumn by Marta, with
 the main goal of improving usability. It was deployed on the 
 intranet,
  and was used as the starting point for a few
sites. Also it is the
 starting point for the beta1 skin (if you take away the images and
 colors). Thus, we call it the  XWiki10 alpha skin
 - 'xwiki10b1' is the current skin, deployed in the beta1.
 Problem: we're now working on the beta2. Should we make a new
 directory, xwiki10b2? This is bad practice. We will also have 1.0rc1
 and 1.0 final, and then 1.1 and 2.0 (with beta-s and rc-s) and who
 knows what next. We'll soon have a dozed directories if we keep it
 like that.
 This is why we must decide on one skin naming convention which should
 work for an unlimited timespan.
 Options:
 1. We continue in the same way as it is now, making lots of skin
 directories 2. Each major version will have it's own skin directory.
 Thus, we will have 'xwiki09', 'xwiki10', 'xwiki11',
'xwiki20', etc.
 2a. 'default' points to the 0.9 version 2b. 'default' points to the
 latest stable skin 3. As 2, but each release duplicates the skin, 
 like
  a svn tag, creating xwiki10b1, xwiki10b2,
xwiki10rc1, etc.
 4. We only have two skin directories, 'default' and 'wip' (work in
 progress). Once we release a new version, we copy the wip skin as the
 new default.
 Pros and cons, as I see them:
 1+ We don't have to change anything, we continue as it is now Users
 1+ kep the old skin intact, nothing gets broken for them
 1- Anytime we make a new release, those willing to use the new skin
 have to change their settings to reference the new skin
 1- We make tons of directories, thus ignoring one of the benefits of
 version control.
 1- We increase the size of XWiki a lot (the current skin has more 
 than
  1Mbyte)
 2+ We let users choose their favorite skin-flavor and stick with it 
 We
  2+ offer a few different skins to choose from
 2a+ we keep a piece of backwards compatibility, meaning that sites
 based on the default skin will not be broken with each new release
 2b+ we offer the best of XWiki with each new release. Sites using the
 default skin unmodified will instantly have a fresh new look, and
 those that want to keep the old one just have to change one option.
 2b+ default  means default, so it should always be the skin used by
 default
 2- We have to override the current directories. xwiki10 (the alpha
 skin) will be replaced with the real 1.0 skin, and any site using the
 alpha will have to be fixed. This problem only occurs this time, 
 since
  xwiki10 was used prematurely, and only in a few
sites
 3+ If a user prefers the beta2 skin over the final skin, he has a
 choice, without asking him to never update that directory or manually
 copy it into a 'mycustomskin' directory
 3- In theory, the skin will be almost the same between the beta1 and
 final version, with only minor fixes and improvements. So, anyone
 wanting to stick to a temporary version must be crazy :) . Of course,
 this does not apply to the 1.0alpha skin.
 3- Again, we discard versioning
 3- Again, we make too many unnecessary directories which can be
 retrieved from the various branches/tags
 4+ We make full use of version control, and we keep the xwiki package
 size to a minimum. Users always have the latest version of the skin,
 and we don't have to maintain too many skin directories up to date
 with important features/fixes.
 4- We have to change too many existing directories
 4- It is hard to fix bugs in existing skins, so we provide poor
 support for those who chose to use an older skin.
 A big + for keeping the number of directories to a minimum and
 overriding existing directories: XWiki users can always copy their
 skin to a new directory and use it as it is, ignoring 'default' or
 'xwiki10', which are subject to change.
 Another big + for keeping the number of directories to a minimum: new
 features/fixes/improvements are usually implemented in only one skin,
 so at least you don't have to feel bad knowing that you probably
 should make the change in all the other skin directories A big + for
 keeping a skin directory for each major release: some
 features/fixes/improvements must be implemented in all skin versions,
 for the clients using an older version of the skin
 Implied changes:
 1:  None
 2a: we copy 'default' into 'xwiki09' and rename 'xwiki10b1' into
 'xwiki10', overriding the alpha skin
 2b: 2a + we copy the new skin in the 'default' directory
 3 'xwiki10' becomes 'xwiki10a', 'xwiki10b1' becomes
'xwiki10',
 'xwiki10b1' is copied from the beta1 branch
 4 'default' remains the same until 1.0 rc1, 'xwiki10b1' becomes 
'wip',
  and all the other directories are removed. After
rc1, we replace
 'default' with the new skin
 I vote for 2b.
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