Hi, Thanks Caty for the proposal. Here are my comments on it and on the application that I think we should target: - The progress bar is nice. We could also use a "step" mechanism since we have 3 or 4 steps. I am not sure a pourcentage is relevant. - Since we are in a wizard I think standard buttons "Preview", "Save & Continue" ... etc should be replaced by "<< Previous" and "Next >>" - ColorTheme application example is not a very good example IMO. Basically, users will want to use Application Within Minutes every time they want to manage "entries", à la Excel. So it can be events, products, tasks, people, ... See example given here : http://www.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/Blog/ContentStructuration . You can also check how IWA could have used Application Within Minutes to create this space : http://www.iwawaterwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/EventsExtra/ (When loggued in, you can contribute material) - I don't see the page / area that lists all applications. Is this located in the administration? It would be cool not to have them in the administration. - Application Within Minutes is for end users. Developers already have access to XWiki ability to create applications. Therefore, we should not have any line of code in the default (simple) view. - The first thing that we have to target is the simple view - Here are the items that users in simple view should have access to (and only): - Application Name - Application Key - Application Description - A page that allows user describe the data he/she wants to manage - Property name - Property type - Application home page options - Welcome message - Does users want to list entries on the home page - Fields to be displayed in that list - Rights settings (maybe not in this version) - Other options? - => Therefore we should not mention class, sheet, template, etc. All this should be transparent for those user (at least in simple view) - I beleive we can use a default XWiki page, no need to have a dedicated environment. If we want to display extra tips we can either use the administration layout or panels. Thanks -- Thibaut On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Ludovic Dubost &lt;ludovic(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote:

Hi, Shouldn't this thread be on users ? See my comments below. On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Using steps and percentages like you do is ok to me. It is just that it seems to me more accurate to have percentages for sites like LinkedIn where you have a lot of stuff to put in. Steps seems more simple to me. Having steps using a wizard is more of a way to guide users rather than a limitation. And that is the problem with apps that have percentages to indicate where you are with the action they want you to perform. You see your percentage and wonder where you have to go / what to do to get to 100%. Application Within Minutes should be super simple. Having just 2 buttons "Previous" and "Next" is simpler than 4 "Preview", "Save & View", "Save & Continue" and "Cancel" .... I don't like wizards very much and that's why I didn't add the Prev, Next. Letting the user do what he wants is great when he knows what he is doing. But we are not targeting advanced users. Guiding users is better in this use case. Again, we need to be able to ship Application Within Minutes without talking about class, sheets, templates. This is "Chinese" for 95% of people out there. I did a training on XWiki today, to people that will be the main contributors on the wiki. They are the kind of people that may create applications using Application Within Minutes. They started laughing when I mentioned the word "Macro" from the WYSIWYG button. Why? Because since the beginning of the session, I used a lot of vocabulary that they did not have an idea what they meant. I don't even notice using them anymore, because us, heavy users of the wiki don't even pay attention to this anymore. That's normal but we really have to pay attention to this. This will not be easy to find the right way to present things, find the right words but if we don't succeed in doing Application Within Minutes without the words "Sheet", "Class", "Template", etc, we will have failed doing the right app IMO. ColorTheme is XE specific application. The way you edit a color theme is nothing but standard. Since I work at XWiki SAS clients (users) never asked for that type of application for their daily use. Application Within Minutes will never be able (and does not target) to handle that much complexity. If having one way to present things means add complexity for beginner then I will be big -1. That is why Ludovic and I suggested to have a simple / advanced way of presenting things. Yes, 1 application = 1 space makes sense to me too. I never suggested a tree. I just did a list of all things that should be input by the user to make its application to work. In the wireframes I suggested there is no tree. I like the header. The panels are not needed if we are doing the app simple because the tips can be display in the regular new form standards, and sheet, template etc. can be removed. Thanks, Thibaut