On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:57, Luca Anca &lt;lucaa(a)xwiki.com> > > Hello devs, > > > > as suggested before, I would like to make the main page of the wiki a > > full dashboard, namely to relocate the welcome message in a gadget so > > that the type of page of the main page is more clear. See this two > > screenshots about how it could look (one is with default style, other is > > with panels style). > > > > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/WikiDashbo… > > > > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/WikiDashbo… > > > > (also > > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/MainDashbo…) > if you want to import it in your own wiki and play with it. > > > > I want to discuss the following points now: > > 1/ is the title "Wiki Dashboard" ok for the main page of the wiki? > > > > IMO I don't like at all the panels style > (WikiDashboardPanels.png< > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/WikiDashbo… > >). > It adds too much weight on the visual aspect and does not bring any value. > IMO the dashboard should be something invisible, like magic somehow for the > editor, not for the viewer. The editor should benefit from all the > advantages a dashboard system offers: easily add new modules, configure or > manage existing ones, without writing too much code. > I don't understand why if we have a new feature ("dashboard") we should > emphase it like this: changing the look of the homepage, changing the > title. > I don't want my homepage to look like JIRA. My wiki should be based and > focused on the content, not on the back techniques I use. > I totally agree with this "Home" or "Home page" is for me much better than "Welcome to your wiki" since it actually describe what the home page is. Jerome

Hi, On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 16:59, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; wrote: As Cati mentioned it, for end users (viewers) it doens't matter whether it's a dashboard or not. What they should see is simply a page with blocks of content. They don't care whether it's generated through a dashboard or static HTML or whatever. Now for the title, it's better that it reflects the content of the page IMO. "Home" is simple and standard. I like it. Guillaume > Thanks > -Vincent > >> 2/ Is the welcome message visible enough, is it accessible to users and > >> explanatory about what the page is about and what they could do next? > >> > > Regarding this and also > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/b3xyxpg5f5wla4h7 I > > think we should change something. > > I work for 2 years at XWiki and tested every day snapshots and this is > the > > first time I read that message and didn't provide me anything of help. > > We could do a help gadget or an introduction gadget (that can be easily > > removed using the dashboard system) to help new users out. > > > Thanks, > > Caty > > > >> 3/ what would be the relation now with the old Main.Dashboard page, > >> which, as you can see in the quick links panel, is a "Wiki Dashboard" > >> itself? Should it be the same page? if so, is it ok that the welcome > >> message appears on the wiki dashboard? if they're not the same page then > >> it's a bit strange that they're called the same but 2 different pages... > >> Should we rename one? > >> >> Technically the welcome message is written in a new page, Main.Welcome, > >> and then included in a gadget in the dashboard. This page can be > >> translated for getting the message in different languages. > >> >> WDYT? > >> >> Thanks, > >> Anca > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > devs(a)xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

FYI, I created an issued for this change at http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XE-922 and I'm starting to prepare the commit (I implemented it in my local instance). I read again yday Cati's comments, and I think I understand them now. As I wrote in the issue description, basically the change, for the end user, is only a slight visual change of the position of the welcome message, with great benefits on the editing side. So I will go on with this change... Advanced users should still be able to edit the page as "just content", by choosing Edit -> Wysiwyg, and for simple users, from the input I have, it's of greater value to be able to easily edit as gadgets than as "just content". Thanks, Anca On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 18:37 +0200, Luca Anca wrote:

On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 14:26 +0300, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote: WebHome actually means SpaceHome :), "web" is the word used to designate "space" in old, now deprecated, APIs. I agree that it's not very understandable for normal people, especially as 'web' terminology is now deprecated. However, the name of the document stayed the same, WebHome, it's just the title that was changed. From what I can see, the titles of all other (default) spaces are all customized. I need to check what happens with space title when creating a new space, but otherwise I think they are 2 different things, page name is one and title is the other. I agree that it's not necessarily very easy to handle for normal users (name and title as 2 different things) but I think we chose this path when we chose emphasising the document title and the document title behaviour. we can, yes. Just create an issue for the Spaces macro (XE, "Navigation application", I think). I don't mind, except that it will be useless in "panels" style dashboard (in which gadgets have, depending on the colortheme, a colored title bar). When you decide upon it, just create an issue in the XWIKI, "Rendering" component. Personally I cannot invest too much time in stirring this discussion, and I don't really have too many proposals. There's no UI for it, but I mentioned how to do it in the dashboard documentation: http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Dashboard +Macro#HChangegadgetspositions . I agree it's totally undiscoverable for normal users, I just need to put a little time in it to provide some sort of UI. Thanks for feedback, Anca