10 Apr
2017
10 Apr
'17
9:31 p.m.
BTW I think we’ll need to think about exploring gradle in not too long.
Maven continues to stagnate while gradle is moving fast ahead.
One important feature of gradle is performance (see also
https://blog.gradle.org/introducing-gradle-build-cache and
https://blog.gradle.org/incremental-compiler-avoidance). Apparently it beats maven easily
and that coud make things much nicer for us. The worrying point for me is the ability to
find existing gradle plugins to replace the maven ones that we use.
What we could do is to commit the start of a gradle build in our SCM (starting with
xwiki-commons) as a way to explore Gradle and see what’s missing compared to our current
maven build. In other words, it would be a way to slowly start to learn Gradle.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
PS1: FTR I did my first gradle build at
https://github.com/xwiki-contrib/docker-xwiki/blob/master/build.gradle
PS2: I’m worried about the smaller reliance on conventions in gradle than in Maven (as you
can see from https://github.com/xwiki-contrib/docker-xwiki/blob/master/build.gradle, it
doesn’t use any fixed structure and we’ll need plenty of best practices, it really reminds
me of Ant…).
11 Apr
11 Apr
9:25 a.m.
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 9:31 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
BTW I think we’ll need to think about exploring gradle
in not too long.
Maven continues to stagnate while gradle is moving fast ahead.
One important feature of gradle is performance (see also
https://blog.gradle.org/introducing-gradle-build-cache and
https://blog.gradle.org/incremental-compiler-avoidance). Apparently it beats maven easily
and that coud make things much nicer for us. The worrying point for me is the ability to
find existing gradle plugins to replace the maven ones that we use.
What we could do is to commit the start of a gradle build in our SCM (starting with
xwiki-commons) as a way to explore Gradle and see what’s missing compared to our current
maven build. In other words, it would be a way to slowly start to learn Gradle.
Not really sure what you mean exactly. Create a Gradle based branch in
xwiki-commons and a dedicated Jenkins job ?
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
PS1: FTR I did my first gradle build at
https://github.com/xwiki-contrib/docker-xwiki/blob/master/build.gradle
About that, you should probably setup gradlew. See
https://docs.gradle.org/current/userguide/gradle_wrapper.html and
example on https://github.com/xwiki-contrib/android-authenticator.
PS2: I’m worried about the smaller reliance on
conventions in gradle than in Maven (as you can see from
https://github.com/xwiki-contrib/docker-xwiki/blob/master/build.gradle, it doesn’t use any
fixed structure and we’ll need plenty of best practices, it really reminds me of Ant…).
--
Thomas Mortagne
7:05 p.m.
On 11 Apr 2017, at 09:25, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 9:31 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
No, I meant to commit it in master, next to the pom.xml file (it’s called build.gradle)
with a warning in the file explaining it’s experimental and that the Maven should be used
for the full-fledged build.
IMO it wouldn’t be visible enough in a branch and would require too much merging. And IMO
it’s not a big issue if it’s not fully working yet provided there’s some explanation about
the state in the file itself or output when you run it.
Thanks
-Vincent
BTW I think we’ll need to think about exploring
gradle in not too long.
Maven continues to stagnate while gradle is moving fast ahead.
One important feature of gradle is performance (see also
https://blog.gradle.org/introducing-gradle-build-cache and
https://blog.gradle.org/incremental-compiler-avoidance). Apparently it beats maven easily
and that coud make things much nicer for us. The worrying point for me is the ability to
find existing gradle plugins to replace the maven ones that we use.
What we could do is to commit the start of a gradle build in our SCM (starting with
xwiki-commons) as a way to explore Gradle and see what’s missing compared to our current
maven build. In other words, it would be a way to slowly start to learn Gradle.
Not really sure what you mean exactly. Create a Gradle based branch in
xwiki-commons and a dedicated Jenkins job ? WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
PS1: FTR I did my first gradle build at
https://github.com/xwiki-contrib/docker-xwiki/blob/master/build.gradle
About that, you should probably setup gradlew. See
https://docs.gradle.org/current/userguide/gradle_wrapper.html and
example on https://github.com/xwiki-contrib/android-authenticator.
PS2: I’m worried about the smaller reliance on
conventions in gradle than in Maven (as you can see from
https://github.com/xwiki-contrib/docker-xwiki/blob/master/build.gradle, it doesn’t use any
fixed structure and we’ll need plenty of best practices, it really reminds me of Ant…).
--
Thomas Mortagne 
12 Apr
12 Apr
9:45 a.m.
On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
+1 to do it on master. We could also try it on some of the contrib
extensions we support (like CKEditor), but we need a replacement for the
XAR maven plugin, right?
Thanks,
Marius
On 11 Apr 2017, at 09:25, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 9:31 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
> BTW I think we’ll need to think about
exploring gradle in not too long.
>
> Maven continues to stagnate while gradle is moving fast ahead.
>
> One important feature of gradle is performance (see also
https://blog.gradle.org/introducing-gradle-build-cache and
https://blog.gradle.org/incremental-compiler-avoidance). Apparently it
beats maven easily and that coud make things much nicer for us. The
worrying point for me is the ability to find existing gradle plugins to
replace the maven ones that we use.
>
> What we could do is to commit the start of a gradle build in our SCM
(starting
with xwiki-commons) as a way to explore Gradle and see what’s
missing compared to our current maven build. In other words, it would be a
way to slowly start to learn Gradle.
Not really sure what you mean exactly. Create a Gradle based branch in
xwiki-commons and a dedicated Jenkins job ?
No, I meant to commit it in master, next to the pom.xml file (it’s called
build.gradle) with a warning in the file explaining it’s experimental and
that the Maven should be used for the full-fledged build.
IMO it wouldn’t be visible enough in a branch and would require too much
merging. And IMO it’s not a big issue if it’s not fully working yet
provided there’s some explanation about the state in the file itself or
output when you run it.
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne
WDYT?
contrib/docker-xwiki/blob/master/build.gradle
Thanks
-Vincent
> PS1: FTR I did my first gradle build at https://github.com/xwiki-
About that, you should probably setup gradlew. See
https://docs.gradle.org/current/userguide/gradle_wrapper.html and
example on https://github.com/xwiki-contrib/android-authenticator.
> PS2: I’m worried about the smaller reliance on conventions in gradle
than in
Maven (as you can see from https://github.com/xwiki-
contrib/docker-xwiki/blob/master/build.gradle, it doesn’t use any fixed
structure and we’ll need plenty of best practices, it really reminds me of
Ant…).
9:58 a.m.
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea
<mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
+1 to do it on master. We could also try it on some of the contrib
extensions we support (like CKEditor), but we need a replacement for the
XAR maven plugin, right?
We need replacement for many plugins :)
On 11 Apr 2017, at 09:25, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 9:31 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
> BTW I think we’ll need to think about
exploring gradle in not too long.
>
> Maven continues to stagnate while gradle is moving fast ahead.
>
> One important feature of gradle is performance (see also
https://blog.gradle.org/introducing-gradle-build-cache and
https://blog.gradle.org/incremental-compiler-avoidance). Apparently it
beats maven easily and that coud make things much nicer for us. The
worrying point for me is the ability to find existing gradle plugins to
replace the maven ones that we use.
>
> What we could do is to commit the start of a gradle build in our SCM
(starting
with xwiki-commons) as a way to explore Gradle and see what’s
missing compared to our current maven build. In other words, it would be a
way to slowly start to learn Gradle.
Not really sure what you mean exactly. Create a Gradle based branch in
xwiki-commons and a dedicated Jenkins job ?
No, I meant to commit it in master, next to the pom.xml file (it’s called
build.gradle) with a warning in the file explaining it’s experimental and
that the Maven should be used for the full-fledged build.
IMO it wouldn’t be visible enough in a branch and would require too much
merging. And IMO it’s not a big issue if it’s not fully working yet
provided there’s some explanation about the state in the file itself or
output when you run it.
Thanks,
Marius
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> > WDYT?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> -Vincent
> >>
> >
> >> PS1: FTR I did my first gradle build at https://github.com/xwiki-
> contrib/docker-xwiki/blob/master/build.gradle
> >
> > About that, you should probably setup gradlew. See
> > https://docs.gradle.org/current/userguide/gradle_wrapper.html and
> > example on https://github.com/xwiki-contrib/android-authenticator.
> >
> >> PS2: I’m worried about the smaller reliance on conventions in gradle
> than in Maven (as you can see from https://github.com/xwiki-
> contrib/docker-xwiki/blob/master/build.gradle, it doesn’t use any fixed
> structure and we’ll need plenty of best practices, it really reminds me of
> Ant…).
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thomas Mortagne
>
>
--
Thomas Mortagne
5:49 p.m.
FWIW, I’ve done a first commit at
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-commons/commit/de3b11c575720c34c32a9f16fe84e…
I’m still unsure whether we should do this in master or not.
One issue is going to be the maintenance of dependencies between the Maven build and the
Gradle build. Thus I think it might be better to move the gradle stuff into a branch and
perform a move/rewrite the day we’re ready to switch.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
PS: If you’re curious here are some typical Gradle builds:
* https://github.com/hibernate/hibernate-orm/blob/master/build.gradle
* https://github.com/mockito/mockito/blob/release/2.x/build.gradle
* https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-framework/blob/master/build.gradle
* https://github.com/groovy/groovy-core/blob/master/build.gradle
On 10 Apr 2017, at 21:31, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
BTW I think we’ll need to think about exploring gradle in not too long.
Maven continues to stagnate while gradle is moving fast ahead.
One important feature of gradle is performance (see also
https://blog.gradle.org/introducing-gradle-build-cache and
https://blog.gradle.org/incremental-compiler-avoidance). Apparently it beats maven easily
and that coud make things much nicer for us. The worrying point for me is the ability to
find existing gradle plugins to replace the maven ones that we use.
What we could do is to commit the start of a gradle build in our SCM (starting with
xwiki-commons) as a way to explore Gradle and see what’s missing compared to our current
maven build. In other words, it would be a way to slowly start to learn Gradle.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
PS1: FTR I did my first gradle build at
https://github.com/xwiki-contrib/docker-xwiki/blob/master/build.gradle
PS2: I’m worried about the smaller reliance on conventions in gradle than in Maven (as
you can see from https://github.com/xwiki-contrib/docker-xwiki/blob/master/build.gradle,
it doesn’t use any fixed structure and we’ll need plenty of best practices, it really
reminds me of Ant…).
6:20 p.m.
First feelings:
Pros:
* Feels fast
* Powerful (you can do anything with it)
Cons:
* I don’t like it much
* Gradle is very hackish
* You need lots of best practices for someone else to be able to read your gradle build
(what maven fixed from Ant)
* I don’t like the settings.gradle file and the fact that you have to declare all your
modules in it
Thanks
-Vincent
On 12 Apr 2017, at 17:49, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
FWIW, I’ve done a first commit at
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-commons/commit/de3b11c575720c34c32a9f16fe84e…
I’m still unsure whether we should do this in master or not.
One issue is going to be the maintenance of dependencies between the Maven build and the
Gradle build. Thus I think it might be better to move the gradle stuff into a branch and
perform a move/rewrite the day we’re ready to switch.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
PS: If you’re curious here are some typical Gradle builds:
* https://github.com/hibernate/hibernate-orm/blob/master/build.gradle
* https://github.com/mockito/mockito/blob/release/2.x/build.gradle
* https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-framework/blob/master/build.gradle
* https://github.com/groovy/groovy-core/blob/master/build.gradle
On 10 Apr 2017, at 21:31, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
BTW I think we’ll need to think about exploring gradle in not too long.
Maven continues to stagnate while gradle is moving fast ahead.
One important feature of gradle is performance (see also
https://blog.gradle.org/introducing-gradle-build-cache and
https://blog.gradle.org/incremental-compiler-avoidance). Apparently it beats maven easily
and that coud make things much nicer for us. The worrying point for me is the ability to
find existing gradle plugins to replace the maven ones that we use.
What we could do is to commit the start of a gradle build in our SCM (starting with
xwiki-commons) as a way to explore Gradle and see what’s missing compared to our current
maven build. In other words, it would be a way to slowly start to learn Gradle.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
PS1: FTR I did my first gradle build at
https://github.com/xwiki-contrib/docker-xwiki/blob/master/build.gradle
PS2: I’m worried about the smaller reliance on conventions in gradle than in Maven (as
you can see from https://github.com/xwiki-contrib/docker-xwiki/blob/master/build.gradle,
it doesn’t use any fixed structure and we’ll need plenty of best practices, it really
reminds me of Ant…).
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