4 Nov
2011
4 Nov
'11
3:50 p.m.
Hi,
*Short version* for voting:
*A*. Creation of a new wiki on xwiki.org farm that will hold development
process details about a specific feature. This wiki will deprecate
dev.xwiki.org:Design and incubator.myxwiki.org
*B*. Vote on naming alternatives for this new wiki:
design.xwiki.org
incubator.xwiki.org
*C*. UI on how a Proposal will be displayed in this new wiki (example
AppWithinMinutes):
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
------------------------------------------------
*Long version: *
Right now development process activities are located in multiple places:
- Analysis + Architecture: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/
- Analysis + User Interface:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/
- Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/, http://jira.xwiki.org, chats, git
comments, etc.
This process can be hard to optimize and information is hard to track if
you are looking for specific information.
And the worst part of it is that is hard to automatize and lots of the
items need manual gathering or search.
*Part A. *
This mail is about combining http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in a single place.
This has already been discussed several times before (
http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s and
http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl) and the vote was
favorable in this direction.
The proposal was to create a new wiki called design.xwiki.org that will
contain the combined information and that will target developers.
The new wiki will be used to gather only proposal's development process
information: requirements, architecture, solutions alternatives, user
interface variants, planning, etc. for a specific feature/idea/improvement.
After the proposal is implemented it will be properly documented in the
right location for users (ex platform.xwiki.org).
It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code on this wiki in order to demonstrate
the functionality of the proposals, but we should not add
experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars, etc.). For this case it
is advisable to use a test machine, share your own instance or use the
contrib.xwiki.org repository for hosting.
The version upgrades will be handle by a community admin and the wiki
gardening by me.
The data from incubator.myxwiki.org and dev.xwiki.org:Design will be moved
gradually after the new wiki is created.
*Part B. *
You should state your opinion regarding which name is better for the new
wiki:
- design.xwiki.org
- incubator.xwiki.org
- we accept other proposals.
*Part C.*
I've made a proposal on how a proposal page would look like:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
The proposal page will gather all the information related to it, making it
easier to track it's progress.
The entries will be separated depending on 4 categories: Analysis,
Architecture, User Interface and Implementation, each category having it's
own status, participants, jiras and timeframe.
Categories are not mandatory for all proposals, smaller proposals will have
just the related pages for certain areas.
Each proposal will store it's data in a dedicated space.
The implementation of the proposal will be handled by me.
Let me know what you think.
Thanks,
Caty
4 Nov
4 Nov
4:16 p.m.
*A* +1
*B* proposal.xwiki.org ? not really important.
*C* Looks great, hope it will also be simple and quick to use, else it will
be unused
Great job,
Denis
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 15:50, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Hi,
*Short version* for voting:
*A*. Creation of a new wiki on xwiki.org farm that will hold development
process details about a specific feature. This wiki will deprecate
dev.xwiki.org:Design and incubator.myxwiki.org
*B*. Vote on naming alternatives for this new wiki:
design.xwiki.org
incubator.xwiki.org
*C*. UI on how a Proposal will be displayed in this new wiki (example
AppWithinMinutes):
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
------------------------------------------------
*Long version: *
Right now development process activities are located in multiple places:
- Analysis + Architecture: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/
- Analysis + User Interface:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/
- Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/, http://jira.xwiki.org, chats, git
comments, etc.
This process can be hard to optimize and information is hard to track if
you are looking for specific information.
And the worst part of it is that is hard to automatize and lots of the
items need manual gathering or search.
*Part A. *
This mail is about combining
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in a single place.
This has already been discussed several times before (
http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s and
http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl) and the vote was
favorable in this direction.
The proposal was to create a new wiki called design.xwiki.org that will
contain the combined information and that will target developers.
The new wiki will be used to gather only proposal's development process
information: requirements, architecture, solutions alternatives, user
interface variants, planning, etc. for a specific feature/idea/improvement.
After the proposal is implemented it will be properly documented in the
right location for users (ex platform.xwiki.org).
It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code on this wiki in order to demonstrate
the functionality of the proposals, but we should not add
experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars, etc.). For this case it
is advisable to use a test machine, share your own instance or use the
contrib.xwiki.org repository for hosting.
The version upgrades will be handle by a community admin and the wiki
gardening by me.
The data from incubator.myxwiki.org and dev.xwiki.org:Design will be moved
gradually after the new wiki is created.
*Part B. *
You should state your opinion regarding which name is better for the new
wiki:
- design.xwiki.org
- incubator.xwiki.org
- we accept other proposals.
*Part C.*
I've made a proposal on how a proposal page would look like:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
The proposal page will gather all the information related to it, making it
easier to track it's progress.
The entries will be separated depending on 4 categories: Analysis,
Architecture, User Interface and Implementation, each category having it's
own status, participants, jiras and timeframe.
Categories are not mandatory for all proposals, smaller proposals will have
just the related pages for certain areas.
Each proposal will store it's data in a dedicated space.
The implementation of the proposal will be handled by me.
Let me know what you think.
Thanks,
Caty
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eGuilde sarl - CTO
4:25 p.m.
Hi Caty,
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
*A* +1
+1 as well.
*B* proposal.xwiki.org ? not really important.
+1 for http://incubator.xwiki.org/
*C* Looks great, hope it will also be simple and quick
to use, else it will
be unused
+1, looks very cool.
Guillaume
Great job,
Denis
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 15:50, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Hi,
*Short version* for voting:
*A*. Creation of a new wiki on xwiki.org farm that will hold development
process details about a specific feature. This wiki will deprecate
dev.xwiki.org:Design and incubator.myxwiki.org
*B*. Vote on naming alternatives for this new wiki:
design.xwiki.org
incubator.xwiki.org
*C*. UI on how a Proposal will be displayed in this new wiki (example
AppWithinMinutes):
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
------------------------------------------------
*Long version: *
Right now development process activities are located in multiple places:
- Analysis + Architecture: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/
- Analysis + User Interface:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/
- Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/, http://jira.xwiki.org, chats, git
comments, etc.
This process can be hard to optimize and information is hard to track if
you are looking for specific information.
And the worst part of it is that is hard to automatize and lots of the
items need manual gathering or search.
*Part A. *
This mail is about combining
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in a single place.
This has already been discussed several times before (
http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s and
http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl) and the vote was
favorable in this direction.
The proposal was to create a new wiki called design.xwiki.org that will
contain the combined information and that will target developers.
The new wiki will be used to gather only proposal's development process
information: requirements, architecture, solutions alternatives, user
interface variants, planning, etc. for a specific
feature/idea/improvement.
After the proposal is implemented it will be
properly documented in the
right location for users (ex platform.xwiki.org).
It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code on this wiki in order to
demonstrate
the functionality of the proposals, but we should
not add
experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars, etc.). For this case
it
is advisable to use a test machine, share your
own instance or use the
contrib.xwiki.org repository for hosting.
The version upgrades will be handle by a community admin and the wiki
gardening by me.
The data from incubator.myxwiki.org and dev.xwiki.org:Design will be
moved
gradually after the new wiki is created.
*Part B. *
You should state your opinion regarding which name is better for the new
wiki:
- design.xwiki.org
- incubator.xwiki.org
- we accept other proposals.
*Part C.*
I've made a proposal on how a proposal page would look like:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
The proposal page will gather all the information related to it, making
it
easier to track it's progress.
The entries will be separated depending on 4 categories: Analysis,
Architecture, User Interface and Implementation, each category having
it's
own status, participants, jiras and timeframe.
Categories are not mandatory for all proposals, smaller proposals will
have
just the related pages for certain areas.
Each proposal will store it's data in a dedicated space.
The implementation of the proposal will be handled by me.
Let me know what you think.
Thanks,
Caty
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SOFTEC sa - CEO
eGuilde sarl - CTO
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5 Nov
5 Nov
6:27 a.m.
On 11/04/2011 10:50 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
Hi,
*Short version* for voting:
*A*. Creation of a new wiki on xwiki.org farm that will hold development
process details about a specific feature. This wiki will deprecate
dev.xwiki.org:Design and incubator.myxwiki.org
+1.
*B*. Vote on naming alternatives for this new wiki:
design.xwiki.org
incubator.xwiki.org
Given that the wiki is supposed to track items through the
implementation phase as well, it should be called *incubator*.
*C*. UI on how a Proposal will be displayed in this
new wiki (example
AppWithinMinutes):
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
The exclamation sign used for "in progress" isn't right; it looks like a
big warning, and not like something going well.
Is this how it's supposed to look in view mode, or just in edit mode?
I'm not sure the rating is useful. What does it mean? Should features
with a low rating be dropped, even if almost done?
For an initial implementation (and a NoScript usage) it looks good, but
in the future the UI could use some more advanced controls for adding
participants or JIRAs, or changing status.
------------------------------------------------
*Long version: *
Right now development process activities are located in multiple places:
- Analysis + Architecture: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/
- Analysis + User Interface:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/
- Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/, http://jira.xwiki.org, chats, git
comments, etc.
This process can be hard to optimize and information is hard to track if
you are looking for specific information.
And the worst part of it is that is hard to automatize and lots of the
items need manual gathering or search.
*Part A. *
This mail is about combining http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in a single place.
This has already been discussed several times before (
http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s and
http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl) and the vote was
favorable in this direction.
The proposal was to create a new wiki called design.xwiki.org that will
contain the combined information and that will target developers.
The new wiki will be used to gather only proposal's development process
information: requirements, architecture, solutions alternatives, user
interface variants, planning, etc. for a specific feature/idea/improvement.
After the proposal is implemented it will be properly documented in the
right location for users (ex platform.xwiki.org).
It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code on this wiki in order to demonstrate
the functionality of the proposals, but we should not add
experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars, etc.). For this case it
is advisable to use a test machine, share your own instance or use the
contrib.xwiki.org repository for hosting.
The version upgrades will be handle by a community admin and the wiki
gardening by me.
The data from incubator.myxwiki.org and dev.xwiki.org:Design will be moved
gradually after the new wiki is created.
*Part B. *
You should state your opinion regarding which name is better for the new
wiki:
- design.xwiki.org
- incubator.xwiki.org
- we accept other proposals.
*Part C.*
I've made a proposal on how a proposal page would look like:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
The proposal page will gather all the information related to it, making it
easier to track it's progress.
The entries will be separated depending on 4 categories: Analysis,
Architecture, User Interface and Implementation, each category having it's
own status, participants, jiras and timeframe.
Categories are not mandatory for all proposals, smaller proposals will have
just the related pages for certain areas.
Each proposal will store it's data in a dedicated space.
The implementation of the proposal will be handled by me.
Let me know what you think.
Thanks,
Caty
--
Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
3:20 p.m.
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
*Short version* for voting:
*A*. Creation of a new wiki on xwiki.org farm that will hold development
process details about a specific feature. This wiki will deprecate
dev.xwiki.org:Design and incubator.myxwiki.org
+1
*B*. Vote on naming alternatives for this new wiki:
design.xwiki.org
incubator.xwiki.org
+1 for design.xwiki.org
-0 for incubator.xwiki.org, "incubator" means implementations waiting
to be approved in some mainstream repository for me not design and
architecture. It would make more sense used as the name of a github
repository/organization associated to this wiki for example.
*C*. UI on how a Proposal will be displayed in this new wiki (example
AppWithinMinutes):
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
Looks very nice. Same as Denis, it's very important that it's as easy
as possible to use and not a constraint in order to actually be used.
------------------------------------------------
*Long version: *
Right now development process activities are located in multiple places:
- Analysis + Architecture: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/
- Analysis + User Interface:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/
- Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/, http://jira.xwiki.org, chats, git
comments, etc.
This process can be hard to optimize and information is hard to track if
you are looking for specific information.
And the worst part of it is that is hard to automatize and lots of the
items need manual gathering or search.
*Part A. *
This mail is about combining http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in a single place.
This has already been discussed several times before (
http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s and
http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl) and the vote was
favorable in this direction.
The proposal was to create a new wiki called design.xwiki.org that will
contain the combined information and that will target developers.
The new wiki will be used to gather only proposal's development process
information: requirements, architecture, solutions alternatives, user
interface variants, planning, etc. for a specific feature/idea/improvement.
After the proposal is implemented it will be properly documented in the
right location for users (ex platform.xwiki.org).
It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code on this wiki in order to demonstrate
the functionality of the proposals, but we should not add
experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars, etc.). For this case it
is advisable to use a test machine, share your own instance or use the
contrib.xwiki.org repository for hosting.
The version upgrades will be handle by a community admin and the wiki
gardening by me.
The data from incubator.myxwiki.org and dev.xwiki.org:Design will be moved
gradually after the new wiki is created.
*Part B. *
You should state your opinion regarding which name is better for the new
wiki:
- design.xwiki.org
- incubator.xwiki.org
- we accept other proposals.
*Part C.*
I've made a proposal on how a proposal page would look like:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
The proposal page will gather all the information related to it, making it
easier to track it's progress.
The entries will be separated depending on 4 categories: Analysis,
Architecture, User Interface and Implementation, each category having it's
own status, participants, jiras and timeframe.
Categories are not mandatory for all proposals, smaller proposals will have
just the related pages for certain areas.
Each proposal will store it's data in a dedicated space.
The implementation of the proposal will be handled by me.
Let me know what you think.
Thanks,
Caty
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13 Nov
13 Nov
4:43 p.m.
Hi,
I've finished moving the content from
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and
http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements, Standards, Tech, Mockups
spaces) to the new wiki
http://design.xwiki.org/
Since I've been using scripts, the Participants and Status might not be
accurate since I marked most of them as Completed. Feel free to mark your
proposal accordingly and maybe even change the parent hierarchy if you find
your proposal in the wrong place.
Thanks,
Caty
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
*Short version* for voting:
*A*. Creation of a new wiki on xwiki.org farm that will hold development
process details about a specific feature. This wiki will deprecate
dev.xwiki.org:Design and incubator.myxwiki.org
+1
*B*. Vote on naming alternatives for this new wiki:
design.xwiki.org
incubator.xwiki.org
+1 for design.xwiki.org
-0 for incubator.xwiki.org, "incubator" means implementations waiting
to be approved in some mainstream repository for me not design and
architecture. It would make more sense used as the name of a github
repository/organization associated to this wiki for example.
*C*. UI on how a Proposal will be displayed in this new wiki (example
AppWithinMinutes):
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
Looks very nice. Same as Denis, it's very important that it's as easy
as possible to use and not a constraint in order to actually be used.
------------------------------------------------
*Long version: *
Right now development process activities are located in multiple places:
- Analysis + Architecture: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/
- Analysis + User Interface:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/
- Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/, http://jira.xwiki.org, chats, git
comments, etc.
This process can be hard to optimize and information is hard to track if
you are looking for specific information.
And the worst part of it is that is hard to automatize and lots of the
items need manual gathering or search.
*Part A. *
This mail is about combining
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in a single
place.
This has already been discussed several times before (
http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s and
http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl) and the vote was
favorable in this direction.
The proposal was to create a new wiki called design.xwiki.org that will
contain the combined information and that will target developers.
The new wiki will be used to gather only proposal's development process
information: requirements, architecture, solutions alternatives, user
interface variants, planning, etc. for a specific
feature/idea/improvement.
After the proposal is implemented it will be
properly documented in the
right location for users (ex platform.xwiki.org).
It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code on this wiki in order to
demonstrate
the functionality of the proposals, but we should
not add
experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars, etc.). For this case
it
is advisable to use a test machine, share your
own instance or use the
contrib.xwiki.org repository for hosting.
The version upgrades will be handle by a community admin and the wiki
gardening by me.
The data from incubator.myxwiki.org and dev.xwiki.org:Design will be
moved
gradually after the new wiki is created.
*Part B. *
You should state your opinion regarding which name is better for the new
wiki:
- design.xwiki.org
- incubator.xwiki.org
- we accept other proposals.
*Part C.*
I've made a proposal on how a proposal page would look like:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
The proposal page will gather all the information related to it, making
it
easier to track it's progress.
The entries will be separated depending on 4 categories: Analysis,
Architecture, User Interface and Implementation, each category having
it's
own status, participants, jiras and timeframe.
Categories are not mandatory for all proposals, smaller proposals will
have
just the related pages for certain areas.
Each proposal will store it's data in a dedicated space.
The implementation of the proposal will be handled by me.
Let me know what you think.
Thanks,
Caty
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5:15 p.m.
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I've finished moving the content from
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and
http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements, Standards, Tech, Mockups
spaces) to the new wiki
http://design.xwiki.org/
Woohoo :) Nice progress from before, well done!
Some quick comments:
* Is it possible to remove the centered thing and do the same as on other
subwikis of xwiki.org? (consistency!)
* It's a real pity that you seem to have lost the history and thus creation
date/author and last modified date/author since ideally the LT should be
filtered by latest proposal first (as for the Extensions of e.x.o).
* I think you've been a bit overzeleaous in changing states of proposals...
going to try to fix some. At least that's a good way to reset everything :)
* "Active" vs "Dormant" is too hard IMO. What's the criteria? For
example
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/APM Nobody is working
actively but it's something I believe we need and it's still valid. What
about http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLScheme I'm
working on it, once every 4 months. I think these 2 states are too hard to
maintain because nobody is going to move them from Active to Dormant. I'd
suggest we replace both "Active" and "Dormant" by "Open"
because I don't
think we need to separate them. "Open" should list all designs about things
that we wish to do. Those that we don't want to do should be in "Dropped".
WDYT?
* Is
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/CAPTCHAIntegration#Historyrea…
"Dropped"? Shouldn't it be "Completed"?
* I don't understand how you categorize designs and how you link them
together, for ex:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/SearchLucene
* I don't really understand why you consider "Design" to be about UI
only... For ex
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLScheme is purely
design and you categorized it as "Feature". I also don't understand what
"Feature'" means. And why a proposal of "Design" cannot include
requirements? Or is it just the "latest" stage it's in but that doesn't
mean much in agile dev since the design and code work together and are
cycling in small iterations... :)
Thanks!
-Vincent
Since I've been using scripts, the Participants and Status might not be
accurate since I marked most of them as Completed. Feel free to mark your
proposal accordingly and maybe even change the parent hierarchy if you find
your proposal in the wrong place.
Thanks,
Caty
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
will
new
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
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On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> *Short version* for voting:
> *A*. Creation of a new wiki on xwiki.org farm that will hold
development
process
details about a specific feature. This wiki will deprecate
dev.xwiki.org:Design and incubator.myxwiki.org
+1
*B*. Vote on naming alternatives for this new wiki:
design.xwiki.org
incubator.xwiki.org
+1 for design.xwiki.org
-0 for incubator.xwiki.org, "incubator" means implementations waiting
to be approved in some mainstream repository for me not design and
architecture. It would make more sense used as the name of a github
repository/organization associated to this wiki for example.
*C*. UI on how a Proposal will be displayed in this new wiki (example
AppWithinMinutes):
Looks very nice. Same as Denis, it's very important that it's as easy
as possible to use and not a constraint in order to actually be used.
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> *Long version: *
>
> Right now development process activities are located in multiple
places:
> - Analysis + Architecture:
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/
> - Analysis + User Interface:
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/
> - Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/, http://jira.xwiki.org, chats, git
> comments, etc.
>
> This process can be hard to optimize and information is hard to track
if
you are
looking for specific information.
And the worst part of it is that is hard to automatize and lots of the
items need manual gathering or search.
*Part A. *
This mail is about combining
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in a single place.
> This has already been discussed several times before (
> http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s and
> http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl) and the vote was
> favorable in this direction.
> The proposal was to create a new wiki called design.xwiki.org that contain
the combined information and that will target developers.
The new wiki will be used to gather only proposal's development process
information: requirements, architecture, solutions alternatives, user
interface variants, planning, etc. for a specific
feature/idea/improvement.
After the proposal is implemented it will be
properly documented in the
right location for users (ex platform.xwiki.org).
It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code on this wiki in order to
demonstrate
the functionality of the proposals, but we should
not add
experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars, etc.). For this case
it
is advisable to use a test machine, share your
own instance or use the
contrib.xwiki.org repository for hosting.
The version upgrades will be handle by a community admin and the wiki
gardening by me.
The data from incubator.myxwiki.org and dev.xwiki.org:Design will be
moved
> gradually after the new wiki is created.
>
> *Part B. *
> You should state your opinion regarding which name is better for the wiki:
- design.xwiki.org
- incubator.xwiki.org
- we accept other proposals.
*Part C.*
I've made a proposal on how a proposal page would look like:
The proposal page will gather all the information related to it, making
it
easier to track it's progress.
The entries will be separated depending on 4 categories: Analysis,
Architecture, User Interface and Implementation, each category having
it's
own status, participants, jiras and timeframe.
Categories are not mandatory for all proposals, smaller proposals will
have
just the related pages for certain areas.
Each proposal will store it's data in a dedicated space.
The implementation of the proposal will be handled by me.
Let me know what you think.
Thanks,
Caty
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12:44 p.m.
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The proposal pages are full width just like the other pages on xwiki.org.
The only centered page is design:Main.WebHome which is consistent with
xwiki:Main.WebHome. I won't change that.
Hi,
I've finished moving the content from
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and
http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements, Standards, Tech, Mockups
spaces) to the new wiki
http://design.xwiki.org/
Woohoo :) Nice progress from before, well done!
Some quick comments:
* Is it possible to remove the centered thing and do the same as on other
subwikis of xwiki.org? (consistency!)
* It's a real pity that you seem to have lost the
history and thus creation
date/author and last modified date/author since ideally the LT should be
filtered by latest proposal first (as for the Extensions of e.x.o).
Just like on e.x.o the livetable is filtered after 'Last modified'. Pages
on design.xwiki.org have suffered modifications (objects added, etc.) so
it's normal that they are modified in the past week.
I haven't lost the history (except for 4 pages). All the other have been
imported with history, but when you look at them you see they were created
by me because that's how we handle import and copy (see
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-925)
* I think you've been a bit overzeleaous in
changing states of proposals...
going to try to fix some. At least that's a good way to reset everything :)
I used scripts: copied the state from old dev:Design space, added
'completed' state for the incubator pages. I've updated some statuses for
some of them, yes.
* "Active" vs "Dormant" is too
hard IMO. What's the criteria? For example
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/APM Nobody is working
actively but it's something I believe we need and it's still valid. What
about http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLScheme I'm
working on it, once every 4 months. I think these 2 states are too hard to
maintain because nobody is going to move them from Active to Dormant. I'd
suggest we replace both "Active" and "Dormant" by "Open"
because I don't
think we need to separate them. "Open" should list all designs about things
that we wish to do. Those that we don't want to do should be in "Dropped".
WDYT?
I have a list with like 5 variants of states we could have for this app. If
you really want to have this discussion about the naming we could, but the
current variant is: 'Idea', 'Active', 'Dormant',
'Completed', 'Dropped'.
Because we had the discussion about the Status of the project at the
seminar and that is not visible what is on going and what we might want to
achieve, I've added the 2 states. If we are going to add (Not planned) also
a 'Target' column to specify the version we want to release that feature,
having an 'Active' state is important since it shows the features we are
really working on.
We could have like a job that listens if a page was not modified for a
certain period of time and change the status from 'Active' to 'Dormant'
(Not planned).
As mentioned in my early mail I don't really know the status of others'
proposals so that's why I asked of you if you could update them in order to
be accurate.
* Is
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/CAPTCHAIntegration#Historyrea…
"Dropped"? Shouldn't it be "Completed"?
I haven't changed the Status of this proposal, so this is how it must have
been put by Jerome on devs wiki. Actually the devs status was 'Dead' which
in the new application is marked as 'Dropped'.
* I don't understand how you categorize designs
and how you link them
together, for ex:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/SearchLucene
The proposals are linked together by using the parent/child relationship.
* I don't really understand why you consider
"Design" to be about UI
only... For ex
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLScheme is purely
design and you categorized it as "Feature".
For me what is related to visual aspects is 'Design', what is related to
code is 'Implementation'. We could discuss and add more states but I've
tried to pick the easiest ones.
'Feature' is used for 'parent' categories and for proposals that
don't
belong to any other category (you could create a special page to be set as
parent or use the current as feature).
I also don't understand what
"Feature'" means. And why a proposal of "Design" cannot include
requirements?
This was a limitation of the application (I was displaying related pages
livetable just for Feature proposal), now is fixed. If a page have children
it will display them.
Again if you find something that is misplaced please help me fix it.
Thanks,
Caty
Or is it just the "latest" stage it's in but that doesn't
mean much in agile dev since the design and code work
together and are
cycling in small iterations... :)
Thanks!
-Vincent
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/
the
will
> > contain the combined information and that will target developers.
> >
> > The new wiki will be used to gather only proposal's development
process
new
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
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Since I've been using scripts, the Participants and Status might not be
accurate since I marked most of them as Completed. Feel free to mark your
proposal accordingly and maybe even change the parent hierarchy if you
find
your proposal in the wrong place.
Thanks,
Caty
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> *Short version* for voting:
> *A*. Creation of a new wiki on xwiki.org farm that will hold
development
process
details about a specific feature. This wiki will deprecate
dev.xwiki.org:Design and incubator.myxwiki.org
+1
*B*. Vote on naming alternatives for this new wiki:
design.xwiki.org
incubator.xwiki.org
+1 for design.xwiki.org
-0 for incubator.xwiki.org, "incubator" means implementations waiting
to be approved in some mainstream repository for me not design and
architecture. It would make more sense used as the name of a github
repository/organization associated to this wiki for example.
*C*. UI on how a Proposal will be displayed in this new wiki (example
AppWithinMinutes):
Looks very nice. Same as Denis, it's very important that it's as easy
as possible to use and not a constraint in order to actually be used.
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> *Long version: *
>
> Right now development process activities are located in multiple
places:
> > - Analysis + Architecture: > > - Analysis + User Interface:
> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/
> > - Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/, http://jira.xwiki.org, chats,
git
>
comments, etc.
>
> This process can be hard to optimize and information is hard to track
if
> > you are looking for specific information.
> > And the worst part of it is that is hard to automatize and lots of items need manual gathering or search.
*Part A. *
This mail is about combining
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in a single place.
> This has already been discussed several times before (
> http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s and
> http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl) and the vote was
> favorable in this direction.
> The proposal was to create a new wiki called design.xwiki.org that > > information: requirements,
architecture, solutions alternatives, user
> > interface variants, planning, etc. for a specific
> feature/idea/improvement.
> > After the proposal is implemented it will be properly documented in
the
> > right location for users (ex
platform.xwiki.org).
> > It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code on this wiki in order to
> demonstrate
> > the functionality of the proposals, but we should not add
> > experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars, etc.). For this
case
> it
> > is advisable to use a test machine, share your own instance or use
the
contrib.xwiki.org repository for hosting.
The version upgrades will be handle by a community admin and the wiki
gardening by me.
The data from incubator.myxwiki.org and dev.xwiki.org:Design will be
moved
> gradually after the new wiki is created.
>
> *Part B. *
> You should state your opinion regarding which name is better for the wiki:
- design.xwiki.org
- incubator.xwiki.org
- we accept other proposals.
*Part C.*
I've made a proposal on how a proposal page would look like:
> >
> > The proposal page will gather all the information related to it,
making
> it
> > easier to track it's progress.
> >
> > The entries will be separated depending on 4 categories: Analysis,
> > Architecture, User Interface and Implementation, each category having
> it's
> > own status, participants, jiras and timeframe.
> > Categories are not mandatory for all proposals, smaller proposals
will
have
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just the related pages for certain areas.
Each proposal will store it's data in a dedicated space.
The implementation of the proposal will be handled by me.
Let me know what you think.
Thanks,
Caty
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2:20 p.m.
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
[snip]
I'm sorry but I don't think it's your decision only :) You can't say
"I
don't want to do it" without any explanations, it's not like it were your
own personal wiki (it's used by all committers and visible by everyone)...
Let me give you my rationale:
All the other subwikis are not centered (manager, enterprise, extensions,
platform, etc) and there's absolutely no reason to make an exception for
the design subwiki. That the main wiki's home page is not centered is ok
because it's a special page (the home page of the whole site) and it has
some heavily worked UI (a la web site). This is not the case for
design.xwiki.org which is more similar to extensions.xwiki.org.
Now if you have some other "rule" that would justify having
design.xwiki.orgbe centered please let me know.
Thanks
-Vincent
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The proposal pages are full width just like the other pages on xwiki.org.
The only centered page is design:Main.WebHome which is consistent with
xwiki:Main.WebHome. I won't change that.
Hi,
I've finished moving the content from
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and
http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements, Standards, Tech, Mockups
spaces) to the new wiki
http://design.xwiki.org/
Woohoo :) Nice progress from before, well done!
Some quick comments:
* Is it possible to remove the centered thing and do the same as on other
subwikis of xwiki.org? (consistency!)
2:32 p.m.
Hi Vincent,
The idea in my mind was to have centered homepages, just like the
Main.WebHome. What I would have liked is to have carousels also on e.x.o,
also on design.xwiki.org or any other 'important' pages in order to make it
more hub like (promoting important content found on that wiki). For example
on e.x.o promoting important extensions or contributors, on
design.xwiki.orgpromoting proposals that we might want some feedback,
etc.
Being an iterative process the carousel content for this wiki is not ready
(not even proposed) and it will take some time before I can do it.
That was the explanation.
Thanks,
Caty
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
.
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've finished moving the content from
> > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and
> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements, Standards, Tech, Mockups
> > spaces) to the new wiki
> > http://design.xwiki.org/
>
>
> Woohoo :) Nice progress from before, well done!
>
> Some quick comments:
>
> * Is it possible to remove the centered thing and do the same as on
other
subwikis
of xwiki.org? (consistency!)
The proposal pages are full width just like the other pages on xwiki.org The only centered page is design:Main.WebHome
which is consistent with
xwiki:Main.WebHome. I won't change that.
[snip]
I'm sorry but I don't think it's your decision only :) You can't say
"I
don't want to do it" without any explanations, it's not like it were your
own personal wiki (it's used by all committers and visible by everyone)...
Let me give you my rationale:
All the other subwikis are not centered (manager, enterprise, extensions,
platform, etc) and there's absolutely no reason to make an exception for
the design subwiki. That the main wiki's home page is not centered is ok
because it's a special page (the home page of the whole site) and it has
some heavily worked UI (a la web site). This is not the case for
design.xwiki.org which is more similar to extensions.xwiki.org.
Now if you have some other "rule" that would justify having
design.xwiki.orgbe centered please let me know.
Thanks
-Vincent
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2:54 p.m.
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Vincent,
The idea in my mind was to have centered homepages, just like the
Main.WebHome. What I would have liked is to have carousels also on e.x.o,
also on design.xwiki.org or any other 'important' pages in order to make
it
more hub like (promoting important content found on that wiki). For example
on e.x.o promoting important extensions or contributors, on
design.xwiki.orgpromoting proposals that we might want some feedback,
etc.
Being an iterative process the carousel content for this wiki is not ready
(not even proposed) and it will take some time before I can do it.
Ok that makes more sense.
Now this means that subwikis with a lot of content on their home page will
be an issue since with the reduced viewport you can display less. I'm
thinking about e.x.o for example. The alternative is to move the full
content to a second page and have only "promotions" on the home page
(featured extensions). Now this means 2 clicks to get to the full list but
maybe it's ok.
I'm eager to see a proposal for e.x.o for example. I think we're might be
missing ratings befre
Thanks for the explanation
-Vincent
That was the explanation.
Thanks,
Caty
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
xwiki.org
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Ecaterina
Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I've finished moving the content from
> > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and
> > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements, Standards, Tech,
Mockups
> >
spaces) to the new wiki
> > http://design.xwiki.org/
>
>
> Woohoo :) Nice progress from before, well done!
>
> Some quick comments:
>
> * Is it possible to remove the centered thing and do the same as on
other
> > subwikis of xwiki.org? (consistency!)
> >
>
> The proposal pages are full width just like the other pages on .
everyone)...
The only centered page is design:Main.WebHome
which is consistent with
xwiki:Main.WebHome. I won't change that.
[snip]
I'm sorry but I don't think it's your decision only :) You can't say
"I
don't want to do it" without any explanations, it's not like it were your
own personal wiki (it's used by all committers and visible by
Let me give you my rationale:
All the other subwikis are not centered (manager, enterprise, extensions,
platform, etc) and there's absolutely no reason to make an exception for
the design subwiki. That the main wiki's home page is not centered is ok
because it's a special page (the home page of the whole site) and it has
some heavily worked UI (a la web site). This is not the case for
design.xwiki.org which is more similar to extensions.xwiki.org.
Now if you have some other "rule" that would justify having
design.xwiki.orgbe centered please let me know.
Thanks
-Vincent
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Hello,
Maybe it's not finished yet or I missed something, but if I browse this
page:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication
If I'm not authentified, I can see the page.
If I log in (in order to edit the page), I can't even see the page ("You
are not allowed to view this document or perform this action ...").
2013/11/15 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
I used scripts: copied the state from old dev:Design space, added
'completed' state for the incubator pages. I've updated some statuses for
some of them, yes.
I have a list with like 5 variants of states we could have for this app. If
you really want to have this discussion about the naming we could, but the
current variant is: 'Idea', 'Active', 'Dormant',
'Completed', 'Dropped'.
Because we had the discussion about the Status of the project at the
seminar and that is not visible what is on going and what we might want to
achieve, I've added the 2 states. If we are going to add (Not planned) also
a 'Target' column to specify the version we want to release that feature,
having an 'Active' state is important since it shows the features we are
really working on.
We could have like a job that listens if a page was not modified for a
certain period of time and change the status from 'Active' to 'Dormant'
(Not planned).
As mentioned in my early mail I don't really know the status of others'
proposals so that's why I asked of you if you could update them in order to
be accurate.
> * Is
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/CAPTCHAIntegration#Historyrea…
> "Dropped"? Shouldn't it be "Completed"?
I haven't changed the Status of this proposal, so this is how it must have
been put by Jerome on devs wiki. Actually the devs status was 'Dead' which
in the new application is marked as 'Dropped'.
> * I don't understand how you categorize designs and how you link them
> together, for ex:
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/SearchLucene
The proposals are linked together by using the parent/child relationship.
I agree with Vincent, in practice the page about Mail archive I work on
(listed above) describes both UI and Code of the app. By the way it
contradicts the name of the whole subwiki ("design.xwiki.org"), considering
the scope of this subwiki is not limited to proposals on visual aspects, so
it should not be the same term IMO for the whole subwiki and for this
category Design (vs Implementation), or then you should call the subwiki "
design-and-implementation.xwiki.org" :) . Design vs Implementation makes me
think of Architecture vs Code but maybe it's a developer-centric view :)
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The proposal pages are full width just like the other pages on xwiki.org.
The only centered page is design:Main.WebHome which is consistent with
xwiki:Main.WebHome. I won't change that.
Hi,
I've finished moving the content from
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and
http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements, Standards, Tech, Mockups
spaces) to the new wiki
http://design.xwiki.org/
Woohoo :) Nice progress from before, well done!
Some quick comments:
* Is it possible to remove the centered thing and do the same as on other
subwikis of xwiki.org? (consistency!)
* It's a real pity that you seem to have lost
the history and thus
creation
date/author and last modified date/author since
ideally the LT should be
filtered by latest proposal first (as for the Extensions of e.x.o).
Just like on e.x.o the livetable is filtered after 'Last modified'. Pages
on design.xwiki.org have suffered modifications (objects added, etc.) so
it's normal that they are modified in the past week.
I haven't lost the history (except for 4 pages). All the other have been
imported with history, but when you look at them you see they were created
by me because that's how we handle import and copy (see
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-925)
* I think you've been a bit overzeleaous in
changing states of
proposals...
going to try to fix some. At least that's a
good way to reset everything
:)
* "Active" vs "Dormant" is
too hard IMO. What's the criteria? For example
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/APM Nobody is working
actively but it's something I believe we need and it's still valid. What
about http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeI'm
working on it, once every 4 months. I think these 2 states are too hard
to
maintain because nobody is going to move them
from Active to Dormant. I'd
suggest we replace both "Active" and "Dormant" by "Open"
because I don't
think we need to separate them. "Open" should list all designs about
things
that we wish to do. Those that we don't want
to do should be in
"Dropped".
> WDYT?
* I don't really understand why you consider
"Design" to be about UI
only... For ex
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLScheme is
purely
design and you categorized it as
"Feature".
For me what is related to visual aspects is 'Design', what is related to
code is 'Implementation'. We could discuss and add more states but I've
tried to pick the easiest ones.
'Feature' is used for 'parent'
categories and for proposals that don't
belong to any other category (you could create a special page to be set as
parent or use the current as feature).
waiting
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/
track
was
process
> > > information: requirements, architecture, solutions alternatives,
user
wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
having
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I also don't understand what
"Feature'" means. And why a proposal of "Design" cannot include
requirements?
This was a limitation of the application (I was displaying related pages
livetable just for Feature proposal), now is fixed. If a page have children
it will display them.
Again if you find something that is misplaced please help me fix it.
Thanks,
Caty
Or is it just the "latest" stage it's in but that doesn't
mean much in agile dev since the design and code
work together and are
cycling in small iterations... :)
Thanks!
-Vincent
>
>
> Since I've been using scripts, the Participants and Status might not be
> accurate since I marked most of them as Completed. Feel free to mark
your
proposal
accordingly and maybe even change the parent hierarchy if you
find
> your proposal in the wrong place.
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Thomas Mortagne
> <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
> > <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > *Short version* for voting:
> > > *A*. Creation of a new wiki on xwiki.org farm that will hold
> development
> > > process details about a specific feature. This wiki will deprecate
> > > dev.xwiki.org:Design and incubator.myxwiki.org
> >
> > +1
> >
> > >
> > > *B*. Vote on naming alternatives for this new wiki:
> > > design.xwiki.org
> > > incubator.xwiki.org
> >
> > +1 for design.xwiki.org
> > -0 for incubator.xwiki.org, "incubator" means implementations > > to be approved in some mainstream
repository for me not design and
> > architecture. It would make more sense used as the name of a github
> > repository/organization associated to this wiki for example.
> >
> > >
> > > *C*. UI on how a Proposal will be displayed in this new wiki
(example
> AppWithinMinutes):
>
Looks very nice. Same as Denis, it's very important that it's as easy
as possible to use and not a constraint in order to actually be used.
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> *Long version: *
>
> Right now development process activities are located in multiple
places:
> > - Analysis + Architecture: > > - Analysis + User Interface:
> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/
> > - Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/, http://jira.xwiki.org, chats,
git
> > > comments, etc.
> > >
> > > This process can be hard to optimize and information is hard to if
> > you are looking for specific information.
> > And the worst part of it is that is hard to automatize and lots of
the
> > > items need manual gathering or search.
> > >
> > > *Part A. *
> > > This mail is about combining
> > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and
> > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in a single place.
> > > This has already been discussed several times before (
> > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s and
> > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl) and the vote > favorable in this direction.
> The proposal was to create a new wiki called design.xwiki.org that
will
> > contain the combined information and that will target developers.
> >
> > The new wiki will be used to gather only proposal's development > >
interface variants, planning, etc. for a specific
> feature/idea/improvement.
> > After the proposal is implemented it will be properly documented in
the
> > right location for users (ex
platform.xwiki.org).
> > It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code on this wiki in order to
> demonstrate
> > the functionality of the proposals, but we should not add
> > experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars, etc.). For this
case
> it
> > is advisable to use a test machine, share your own instance or use
the
> > > contrib.xwiki.org repository for hosting.
> > >
> > > The version upgrades will be handle by a community admin and the > > > gardening by me.
> > >
> > > The data from incubator.myxwiki.org and dev.xwiki.org:Design will
be
> > moved
> > > gradually after the new wiki is created.
> > >
> > > *Part B. *
> > > You should state your opinion regarding which name is better for
the
new
> wiki:
> - design.xwiki.org
> - incubator.xwiki.org
> - we accept other proposals.
>
> *Part C.*
> I've made a proposal on how a proposal page would look like:
>
>
>
> > The proposal page will gather all the information related to it,
making
> > it
> > > easier to track it's progress.
> > >
> > > The entries will be separated depending on 4 categories: Analysis,
> > > Architecture, User Interface and Implementation, each category >
it's
> > own status, participants, jiras and timeframe.
> > Categories are not mandatory for all proposals, smaller proposals
will
have
> just the related pages for certain areas.
> Each proposal will store it's data in a dedicated space.
>
> The implementation of the proposal will be handled by me.
>
> Let me know what you think.
> Thanks,
> Caty
> _______________________________________________
> devs mailing list
> devs(a)xwiki.org
> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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4:23 p.m.
The whole http://design.xwiki.org wiki access is restricted to local
admin group, no idea if it's on purpose but looks like a leftover.
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Jeremie BOUSQUET
<jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Maybe it's not finished yet or I missed something, but if I browse this
page:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication
If I'm not authentified, I can see the page.
If I log in (in order to edit the page), I can't even see the page ("You
are not allowed to view this document or perform this action ...").
2013/11/15 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
--
Thomas Mortagne
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
I used scripts: copied the state from old dev:Design space, added
'completed' state for the incubator pages. I've updated some statuses for
some of them, yes.
I have a list with like 5 variants of states we could have for this app. If
you really want to have this discussion about the naming we could, but the
current variant is: 'Idea', 'Active', 'Dormant',
'Completed', 'Dropped'.
Because we had the discussion about the Status of the project at the
seminar and that is not visible what is on going and what we might want to
achieve, I've added the 2 states. If we are going to add (Not planned) also
a 'Target' column to specify the version we want to release that feature,
having an 'Active' state is important since it shows the features we are
really working on.
We could have like a job that listens if a page was not modified for a
certain period of time and change the status from 'Active' to 'Dormant'
(Not planned).
As mentioned in my early mail I don't really know the status of others'
proposals so that's why I asked of you if you could update them in order to
be accurate.
> * Is
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/CAPTCHAIntegration#Historyrea…
> "Dropped"? Shouldn't it be "Completed"?
I haven't changed the Status of this proposal, so this is how it must have
been put by Jerome on devs wiki. Actually the devs status was 'Dead' which
in the new application is marked as 'Dropped'.
> * I don't understand how you categorize designs and how you link them
> together, for ex:
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/SearchLucene
The proposals are linked together by using the parent/child relationship.
I agree with Vincent, in practice the page about Mail archive I work on
(listed above) describes both UI and Code of the app. By the way it
contradicts the name of the whole subwiki ("design.xwiki.org"), considering
the scope of this subwiki is not limited to proposals on visual aspects, so
it should not be the same term IMO for the whole subwiki and for this
category Design (vs Implementation), or then you should call the subwiki "
design-and-implementation.xwiki.org" :) . Design vs Implementation makes me
think of Architecture vs Code but maybe it's a developer-centric view :)
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The proposal pages are full width just like the other pages on xwiki.org.
The only centered page is design:Main.WebHome which is consistent with
xwiki:Main.WebHome. I won't change that.
Hi,
I've finished moving the content from
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and
http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements, Standards, Tech, Mockups
spaces) to the new wiki
http://design.xwiki.org/
Woohoo :) Nice progress from before, well done!
Some quick comments:
* Is it possible to remove the centered thing and do the same as on other
subwikis of xwiki.org? (consistency!)
* It's a real pity that you seem to have lost
the history and thus
creation
date/author and last modified date/author since
ideally the LT should be
filtered by latest proposal first (as for the Extensions of e.x.o).
Just like on e.x.o the livetable is filtered after 'Last modified'. Pages
on design.xwiki.org have suffered modifications (objects added, etc.) so
it's normal that they are modified in the past week.
I haven't lost the history (except for 4 pages). All the other have been
imported with history, but when you look at them you see they were created
by me because that's how we handle import and copy (see
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-925)
* I think you've been a bit overzeleaous in
changing states of
proposals...
going to try to fix some. At least that's a
good way to reset everything
:)
* "Active" vs "Dormant" is
too hard IMO. What's the criteria? For example
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/APM Nobody is working
actively but it's something I believe we need and it's still valid. What
about http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeI'm
working on it, once every 4 months. I think these 2 states are too hard
to
maintain because nobody is going to move them
from Active to Dormant. I'd
suggest we replace both "Active" and "Dormant" by "Open"
because I don't
think we need to separate them. "Open" should list all designs about
things
that we wish to do. Those that we don't want
to do should be in
"Dropped".
> WDYT?
* I don't really understand why you consider
"Design" to be about UI
only... For ex
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLScheme is
purely
design and you categorized it as
"Feature".
For me what is related to visual aspects is 'Design', what is related to
code is 'Implementation'. We could discuss and add more states but I've
tried to pick the easiest ones.
'Feature' is used for 'parent'
categories and for proposals that don't
belong to any other category (you could create a special page to be set as
parent or use the current as feature).
waiting
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
track
was
user
wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
having
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devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs I also don't understand what
"Feature'" means. And why a proposal of "Design" cannot include
requirements?
This was a limitation of the application (I was displaying related pages
livetable just for Feature proposal), now is fixed. If a page have children
it will display them.
Again if you find something that is misplaced please help me fix it.
Thanks,
Caty
Or is it just the "latest" stage it's in but that doesn't
mean much in agile dev since the design and code
work together and are
cycling in small iterations... :)
Thanks!
-Vincent
>
>
> Since I've been using scripts, the Participants and Status might not be
> accurate since I marked most of them as Completed. Feel free to mark
your
proposal
accordingly and maybe even change the parent hierarchy if you
find
> your proposal in the wrong place.
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Thomas Mortagne
> <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
> > <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > *Short version* for voting:
> > > *A*. Creation of a new wiki on xwiki.org farm that will hold
> development
> > > process details about a specific feature. This wiki will deprecate
> > > dev.xwiki.org:Design and incubator.myxwiki.org
> >
> > +1
> >
> > >
> > > *B*. Vote on naming alternatives for this new wiki:
> > > design.xwiki.org
> > > incubator.xwiki.org
> >
> > +1 for design.xwiki.org
> > -0 for incubator.xwiki.org, "incubator" means implementations > > to be approved in some mainstream
repository for me not design and
> > architecture. It would make more sense used as the name of a github
> > repository/organization associated to this wiki for example.
> >
> > >
> > > *C*. UI on how a Proposal will be displayed in this new wiki
(example
> >
AppWithinMinutes):
> >
>
>
> Looks very nice. Same as Denis, it's very important that it's as easy
> as possible to use and not a constraint in order to actually be used.
>
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------
> > *Long version: *
> >
> > Right now development process activities are located in multiple
places:
> > - Analysis + Architecture:
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/
> > - Analysis + User Interface:
> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/
> > - Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/, http://jira.xwiki.org, chats,
git
> > > comments, etc.
> > >
> > > This process can be hard to optimize and information is hard to if
> > you are looking for specific information.
> > And the worst part of it is that is hard to automatize and lots of
the
> > > items need manual gathering or search.
> > >
> > > *Part A. *
> > > This mail is about combining
> > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and
> > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in a single place.
> > > This has already been discussed several times before (
> > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s and
> > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl) and the vote > >
favorable in this direction.
> > The proposal was to create a new wiki called design.xwiki.org that
will
> > contain the combined information and that will target developers.
> >
> > The new wiki will be used to gather only proposal's development
process
> > > information: requirements, architecture, solutions alternatives, > >
interface variants, planning, etc. for a specific
> feature/idea/improvement.
> > After the proposal is implemented it will be properly documented in
the
> > right location for users (ex
platform.xwiki.org).
> > It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code on this wiki in order to
> demonstrate
> > the functionality of the proposals, but we should not add
> > experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars, etc.). For this
case
> it
> > is advisable to use a test machine, share your own instance or use
the
> > > contrib.xwiki.org repository for hosting.
> > >
> > > The version upgrades will be handle by a community admin and the > > > gardening by me.
> > >
> > > The data from incubator.myxwiki.org and dev.xwiki.org:Design will
be
> > moved
> > > gradually after the new wiki is created.
> > >
> > > *Part B. *
> > > You should state your opinion regarding which name is better for
the
new
> > wiki:
> > - design.xwiki.org
> > - incubator.xwiki.org
> > - we accept other proposals.
> >
> > *Part C.*
> > I've made a proposal on how a proposal page would look like:
> >
>
>
>
> > The proposal page will gather all the information related to it,
making
> > it
> > > easier to track it's progress.
> > >
> > > The entries will be separated depending on 4 categories: Analysis,
> > > Architecture, User Interface and Implementation, each category >
it's
> > own status, participants, jiras and timeframe.
> > Categories are not mandatory for all proposals, smaller proposals
will
> have
> > just the related pages for certain areas.
> > Each proposal will store it's data in a dedicated space.
> >
> > The implementation of the proposal will be handled by me.
> >
> > Let me know what you think.
> > Thanks,
> > Caty
> > _______________________________________________
> > devs mailing list
> > devs(a)xwiki.org
> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> >
>
>
>
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18 Nov
9:09 a.m.
Someone else complained to me about this rights issue too and I couldn't
reproduce with my user because I have special rights.
On Nov 15, 2013 5:18 PM, "Jeremie BOUSQUET" <jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hello,
Maybe it's not finished yet or I missed something, but if I browse this
page:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication
If I'm not authentified, I can see the page.
If I log in (in order to edit the page), I can't even see the page ("You
are not allowed to view this document or perform this action ...").
2013/11/15 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
.
created
I'd
If
have
you
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
of
user
> > > > interface variants, planning, etc. for a specific
> > > feature/idea/improvement.
> > > > After the proposal is implemented it will be properly documented
in
will
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Hi,
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've finished moving the content from
> > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and
> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements, Standards, Tech, Mockups
> > spaces) to the new wiki
> > http://design.xwiki.org/
>
>
> Woohoo :) Nice progress from before, well done!
>
> Some quick comments:
>
> * Is it possible to remove the centered thing and do the same as on
other
subwikis
of xwiki.org? (consistency!)
The proposal pages are full width just like the other pages on xwiki.org The only centered page is design:Main.WebHome
which is consistent with
xwiki:Main.WebHome. I won't change that.
be
* It's a real pity that you seem to have lost
the history and thus
creation
> date/author and last modified date/author since ideally the LT should filtered
by latest proposal first (as for the Extensions of e.x.o).
Just like on e.x.o the livetable is filtered after 'Last modified'. Pages
on design.xwiki.org have suffered modifications (objects added, etc.) so
it's normal that they are modified in the past week.
I haven't lost the history (except for 4 pages). All the other have been
imported with history, but when you look at them you see they were by me because that's how we handle import and
copy (see
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-925)
everything
* I think you've been a bit overzeleaous in
changing states of
proposals...
> going to try to fix some. At least that's a good way to reset :)
I used scripts: copied the state from old dev:Design space, added
'completed' state for the incubator pages. I've updated some statuses for
some of them, yes.
> * "Active" vs "Dormant" is too hard IMO. What's the
criteria? For
example
>
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/APM Nobody is working
> actively but it's something I believe we need and it's still valid.
What
> about
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeI'm
working
on it, once every 4 months. I think these 2 states are too hard
to
> maintain because nobody is going to move them from Active to Dormant. > suggest we replace both "Active"
and "Dormant" by "Open" because I
don't
think we
need to separate them. "Open" should list all designs about
things
that we wish to do. Those that we don't want
to do should be in
"Dropped".
WDYT?
I have a list with like 5 variants of states we could have for this app. you really want to have this discussion about the
naming we could, but
the
current variant is: 'Idea',
'Active', 'Dormant', 'Completed', 'Dropped'.
Because we had the discussion about the Status of the project at the
seminar and that is not visible what is on going and what we might want
to
achieve, I've added the 2 states. If we are
going to add (Not planned)
also
a 'Target' column to specify the version
we want to release that feature,
having an 'Active' state is important since it shows the features we are
really working on.
We could have like a job that listens if a page was not modified for a
certain period of time and change the status from 'Active' to 'Dormant'
(Not planned).
As mentioned in my early mail I don't really know the status of others'
proposals so that's why I asked of you if you could update them in order
to
be accurate.
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/CAPTCHAIntegration#Historyrea…
* Is
"Dropped"? Shouldn't it be "Completed"?
I haven't changed the Status of this proposal, so this is how it must been put by Jerome on devs wiki. Actually the
devs status was 'Dead'
which
in the new application is marked as
'Dropped'.
I agree with Vincent, in practice the page about Mail archive I work on
(listed above) describes both UI and Code of the app. By the way it
contradicts the name of the whole subwiki ("design.xwiki.org"),
considering
the scope of this subwiki is not limited to proposals on visual aspects, so
it should not be the same term IMO for the whole subwiki and for this
category Design (vs Implementation), or then you should call the subwiki "
design-and-implementation.xwiki.org" :) . Design vs Implementation makes
me
think of Architecture vs Code but maybe it's a developer-centric view :)
* I don't understand how you categorize
designs and how you link them
together, for ex:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/SearchLucene
The proposals are linked together by using the parent/child relationship.
* I don't really understand why you consider
"Design" to be about UI
only... For ex
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLScheme is
purely
design and you categorized it as
"Feature".
For me what is related to visual aspects is 'Design', what is related to
code is 'Implementation'. We could discuss and add more states but I've
tried to pick the easiest ones.
'Feature' is used for 'parent'
categories and for proposals that don't
belong to any other category (you could create a special page to be set
as
parent or use the current as feature).
children
I also don't understand what
"Feature'" means. And why a proposal of "Design" cannot include
requirements?
This was a limitation of the application (I was displaying related pages
livetable just for Feature proposal), now is fixed. If a page have it will display them.
Again if you find something that is misplaced please help me fix it.
Thanks,
Caty
Or is it just the "latest" stage it's in but that doesn't
> mean much in agile dev since the design and code work together and are
> cycling in small iterations... :)
>
> Thanks!
> -Vincent
>
>
> >
> >
> > Since I've been using scripts, the Participants and Status might not
be
>
accurate since I marked most of them as Completed. Feel free to mark
your
> > proposal accordingly and maybe even change the parent hierarchy if > find
> > your proposal in the wrong place.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Caty
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Thomas Mortagne
> > <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
> > > <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > *Short version* for voting:
> > > > *A*. Creation of a new wiki on xwiki.org farm that will hold
> > development
> > > > process details about a specific feature. This wiki will
deprecate
> >
> dev.xwiki.org:Design and incubator.myxwiki.org
> >
> > +1
> >
> > >
> > > *B*. Vote on naming alternatives for this new wiki:
> > > design.xwiki.org
> > > incubator.xwiki.org
> >
> > +1 for design.xwiki.org
> > -0 for incubator.xwiki.org, "incubator" means implementations
waiting
> > to be approved in some mainstream
repository for me not design and
> > architecture. It would make more sense used as the name of a github
> > repository/organization associated to this wiki for example.
> >
> > >
> > > *C*. UI on how a Proposal will be displayed in this new wiki
(example
> >
AppWithinMinutes):
> >
>
> > >
> > > Looks very nice. Same as Denis, it's very important that it's as
easy
> > > as possible to use and not a
constraint in order to actually be
used.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------
> > > > *Long version: *
> > > >
> > > > Right now development process activities are located in multiple
> > places:
> > > > - Analysis + Architecture:
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/
> > > > - Analysis + User Interface:
> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/
> > > > - Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/, http://jira.xwiki.org,
chats,
git
> > > comments, etc.
> > >
> > > This process can be hard to optimize and information is hard to
track
> > if
> > > > you are looking for specific information.
> > > > And the worst part of it is that is hard to automatize and lots
the
> > > items need manual gathering or search.
> > >
> > > *Part A. *
> > > This mail is about combining
> > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and
> > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in a single place.
> > > This has already been discussed several times before (
> > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s and
> > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl) and the vote
was
> >
favorable in this direction.
> > The proposal was to create a new wiki called design.xwiki.orgthat
will
> > contain the combined information and that will target developers.
> >
> > The new wiki will be used to gather only proposal's development
process
> > > information: requirements, architecture, solutions alternatives, > the
> > > > right location for users (ex platform.xwiki.org).
> > > > It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code on this wiki in order to
> > > demonstrate
> > > > the functionality of the proposals, but we should not add
> > > > experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars, etc.). For
this
> case
> > > it
> > > > is advisable to use a test machine, share your own instance or
use
the
> > > contrib.xwiki.org repository for hosting.
> > >
> > > The version upgrades will be handle by a community admin and the
wiki
> > > > gardening by me.
> > > >
> > > > The data from incubator.myxwiki.org and dev.xwiki.org:Design be
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
> > moved
> > > gradually after the new wiki is created.
> > >
> > > *Part B. *
> > > You should state your opinion regarding which name is better for
the
new
> > wiki:
> > - design.xwiki.org
> > - incubator.xwiki.org
> > - we accept other proposals.
> >
> > *Part C.*
> > I've made a proposal on how a proposal page would look like:
> >
>
> > > >
> > > > The proposal page will gather all the information related to it,
> making
> > > it
> > > > easier to track it's progress.
> > > >
> > > > The entries will be separated depending on 4 categories:
Analysis,
> >
> Architecture, User Interface and Implementation, each category
having
>
it's
> > own status, participants, jiras and timeframe.
> > Categories are not mandatory for all proposals, smaller proposals
will
> have
> > just the related pages for certain areas.
> > Each proposal will store it's data in a dedicated space.
> >
> > The implementation of the proposal will be handled by me.
> >
> > Let me know what you think.
> > Thanks,
> > Caty
> > _______________________________________________
> > devs mailing list
> > devs(a)xwiki.org
> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Thomas Mortagne
> _______________________________________________
> devs mailing list
> devs(a)xwiki.org
> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
>
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
10:25 a.m.
Another thing, seems now the {{code}} macro puts everything on one line ...
(at least, for unauthentified user).
Same page:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication
BR,
Jeremie
2013/11/18 Marius Dumitru Florea <mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com>
Someone else complained to me about this rights issue
too and I couldn't
reproduce with my user because I have special rights.
On Nov 15, 2013 5:18 PM, "Jeremie BOUSQUET" <jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
xwiki.org
for
hard
app.
feature,
have
relationship.
so
are
and
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
multiple
of
> > the
> > > > > items need manual gathering or search.
> > > > >
> > > > > *Part A. *
> > > > > This mail is about combining
> > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and
> > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in a single place.
> > > > > This has already been discussed several times before (
> > > > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s and
> > > > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl) and the
vote
for
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
proposals
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
Hello,
Maybe it's not finished yet or I missed something, but if I browse this
page:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication
If I'm not authentified, I can see the page.
If I log in (in order to edit the page), I can't even see the page ("You
are not allowed to view this document or perform this action ...").
2013/11/15 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
> Hi,
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I've finished moving the content from
> > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and
> > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements, Standards, Tech,
Mockups
> >
spaces) to the new wiki
> > http://design.xwiki.org/
>
>
> Woohoo :) Nice progress from before, well done!
>
> Some quick comments:
>
> * Is it possible to remove the centered thing and do the same as on
other
> > subwikis of xwiki.org? (consistency!)
> >
>
> The proposal pages are full width just like the other pages on .
Pages
The only centered page is design:Main.WebHome
which is consistent with
xwiki:Main.WebHome. I won't change that.
be
> > filtered by latest proposal first (as for the Extensions of e.x.o).
> >
>
> Just like on e.x.o the livetable is filtered after 'Last modified'. * It's a real pity that you seem to have lost
the history and thus
creation
> date/author and last modified date/author since ideally the LT should > on design.xwiki.org have suffered
modifications (objects added, etc.)
so
> it's normal that they are modified in
the past week.
> I haven't lost the history (except for 4 pages). All the other have
been
imported
with history, but when you look at them you see they were
created
by me because that's how we handle import and
copy (see
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-925)
everything
> :)
> >
>
> I used scripts: copied the state from old dev:Design space, added
> 'completed' state for the incubator pages. I've updated some statuses
* I think you've been a bit overzeleaous in
changing states of
proposals...
> going to try to fix some. At least that's a good way to reset some of
them, yes.
> * "Active" vs "Dormant" is too hard IMO. What's the
criteria? For
example
>
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/APM Nobody is working
> actively but it's something I believe we need and it's still valid.
What
> about
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeI'm
> > working on it, once every 4 months. I think these 2 states are too to
> maintain because nobody is going to move them from Active to Dormant.
I'd
> suggest we replace both "Active"
and "Dormant" by "Open" because I
don't
> > think we need to separate them. "Open" should list all designs about
> things
> > that we wish to do. Those that we don't want to do should be in
> "Dropped".
> > WDYT?
> >
>
> I have a list with like 5 variants of states we could have for this If
'Dropped'.
you really want to have this discussion about the
naming we could, but
the
> current variant is: 'Idea', 'Active', 'Dormant',
'Completed', Because
we had the discussion about the Status of the project at the
seminar and that is not visible what is on going and what we might want
to
achieve, I've added the 2 states. If we are
going to add (Not planned)
also
> a 'Target' column to specify the version we want to release that > having an 'Active' state is
important since it shows the features we
are
> really working on.
>
> We could have like a job that listens if a page was not modified for a
> certain period of time and change the status from 'Active' to
'Dormant'
> (Not planned).
>
> As mentioned in my early mail I don't really know the status of others'
> proposals so that's why I asked of you if you could update them in
order
to
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/CAPTCHAIntegration#Historyrea…
be accurate.
* Is
"Dropped"? Shouldn't it be
"Completed"?
I haven't changed the Status of this proposal, so this is how it must been put by Jerome on devs wiki. Actually the
devs status was 'Dead'
which
> in the new application is marked as 'Dropped'.
>
>
> > * I don't understand how you categorize designs and how you link them
> > together, for ex:
> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/SearchLucene
> >
>
> The proposals are linked together by using the parent/child >
>
> > * I don't really understand why you consider "Design" to be about
UI
> > only... For ex
> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLScheme is
> purely
> > design and you categorized it as "Feature".
>
>
> For me what is related to visual aspects is 'Design', what is related
to
code is
'Implementation'. We could discuss and add more states but I've
tried to pick the easiest ones.
I agree with Vincent, in practice the page about Mail archive I work on
(listed above) describes both UI and Code of the app. By the way it
contradicts the name of the whole subwiki ("design.xwiki.org"),
considering
the scope of this subwiki is not limited to proposals on visual aspects, it should not be the same term IMO for the whole
subwiki and for this
category Design (vs Implementation), or then you should call the subwiki
"
design-and-implementation.xwiki.org" :) .
Design vs Implementation makes
me
think of Architecture vs Code but maybe it's a developer-centric view :)
pages
'Feature' is used for 'parent'
categories and for proposals that don't
belong to any other category (you could create a special page to be set
as
> parent or use the current as feature).
>
>
> > I also don't understand what
> > "Feature'" means. And why a proposal of "Design" cannot
include
> > requirements?
>
>
> This was a limitation of the application (I was displaying related livetable
just for Feature proposal), now is fixed. If a page have
children
> it will display them.
> Again if you find something that is misplaced please help me fix it.
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
> Or is it just the "latest" stage it's in but that doesn't
> > mean much in agile dev since the design and code work together and > > cycling in small iterations... :)
> >
> > Thanks!
> > -Vincent
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Since I've been using scripts, the Participants and Status might
not
be
> > > accurate since I marked most of them as Completed. Feel free to
mark
your
> > proposal accordingly and maybe even change the parent hierarchy if
you
> find
> > your proposal in the wrong place.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Caty
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Thomas Mortagne
> > <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
> > > <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > *Short version* for voting:
> > > > *A*. Creation of a new wiki on xwiki.org farm that will hold
> > development
> > > > process details about a specific feature. This wiki will
deprecate
> > > > > dev.xwiki.org:Design and incubator.myxwiki.org
> > > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *B*. Vote on naming alternatives for this new wiki:
> > > > > design.xwiki.org
> > > > > incubator.xwiki.org
> > > >
> > > > +1 for design.xwiki.org
> > > > -0 for incubator.xwiki.org, "incubator" means
implementations
> waiting
> > > > to be approved in some mainstream repository for me not design > > > > architecture. It would make
more sense used as the name of a
github
> > repository/organization associated to this
wiki for example.
> >
> > >
> > > *C*. UI on how a Proposal will be displayed in this new wiki
(example
> > > AppWithinMinutes):
> > >
> >
>
> >
>
> > > Looks very nice. Same as Denis, it's very important that it's as
easy
> > > as possible to use and not a
constraint in order to actually be
used.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------------------
> > > > > *Long version: *
> > > > >
> > > > > Right now development process activities are located in > >
places:
> > > > - Analysis + Architecture:
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/
> > > > - Analysis + User Interface:
> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/
> > > > - Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/, http://jira.xwiki.org,
chats,
git
> > > comments, etc.
> > >
> > > This process can be hard to optimize and information is hard to
track
> > if
> > > > you are looking for specific information.
> > > > And the worst part of it is that is hard to automatize and lots
> was
> > > > > favorable in this direction.
> > > > > The proposal was to create a new wiki called
design.xwiki.orgthat
> > > will
> > > > > contain the combined information and that will target
developers.
> > > > >
> > > > > The new wiki will be used to gather only proposal's
development
> > process
> > > > > information: requirements, architecture, solutions
alternatives,
> user
> > > > > interface variants, planning, etc. for a specific
> > > > feature/idea/improvement.
> > > > > After the proposal is implemented it will be properly
documented
in
the
> the
> > > > right location for users (ex platform.xwiki.org).
> > > > It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code on this wiki in order to
> > > demonstrate
> > > > the functionality of the proposals, but we should not add
> > > > experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars, etc.). For
this
> case
> > > it
> > > > is advisable to use a test machine, share your own instance or
use
> > the
> > > > > contrib.xwiki.org repository for hosting.
> > > > >
> > > > > The version upgrades will be handle by a community admin and
wiki
> > > > gardening by me.
> > > >
> > > > The data from incubator.myxwiki.org and dev.xwiki.org:Design
will
> be
> > > > moved
> > > > > gradually after the new wiki is created.
> > > > >
> > > > > *Part B. *
> > > > > You should state your opinion regarding which name is better
the
> new
> > > wiki:
> > > - design.xwiki.org
> > > - incubator.xwiki.org
> > > - we accept other proposals.
> > >
> > > *Part C.*
> > > I've made a proposal on how a proposal page would look like:
> > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > The proposal page will gather all the information related to
it,
>
making
> > > it
> > > > easier to track it's progress.
> > > >
> > > > The entries will be separated depending on 4 categories:
Analysis,
> > > > > Architecture, User Interface and Implementation, each category
> having
> > > > it's
> > > > > own status, participants, jiras and timeframe.
> > > > > Categories are not mandatory for all proposals, smaller will
> > have
> > > just the related pages for certain areas.
> > > Each proposal will store it's data in a dedicated space.
> > >
> > > The implementation of the proposal will be handled by me.
> > >
> > > Let me know what you think.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Caty
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > devs mailing list
> > > devs(a)xwiki.org
> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thomas Mortagne
> > _______________________________________________
> > devs mailing list
> > devs(a)xwiki.org
> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> >
> _______________________________________________
> devs mailing list
> devs(a)xwiki.org
> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
>
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________
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http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
10:55 a.m.
Sounds like "code" css class is broken in that skin (this class is
supposed to follow newlines and white spaces like <pre>).
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Jeremie BOUSQUET
<jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Another thing, seems now the {{code}} macro puts
everything on one line ...
(at least, for unauthentified user).
Same page:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication
BR,
Jeremie
2013/11/18 Marius Dumitru Florea <mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com>
--
Thomas Mortagne
Someone else complained to me about this rights
issue too and I couldn't
reproduce with my user because I have special rights.
On Nov 15, 2013 5:18 PM, "Jeremie BOUSQUET" <jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
xwiki.org
for
hard
app.
feature,
relationship.
so
are
and
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
multiple
vote
for
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
proposals
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs Hello,
Maybe it's not finished yet or I missed something, but if I browse this
page:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication
If I'm not authentified, I can see the page.
If I log in (in order to edit the page), I can't even see the page ("You
are not allowed to view this document or perform this action ...").
2013/11/15 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
> Hi,
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I've finished moving the content from
> > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and
> > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements, Standards, Tech,
Mockups
> >
spaces) to the new wiki
> > http://design.xwiki.org/
>
>
> Woohoo :) Nice progress from before, well done!
>
> Some quick comments:
>
> * Is it possible to remove the centered thing and do the same as on
other
> > subwikis of xwiki.org? (consistency!)
> >
>
> The proposal pages are full width just like the other pages on .
Pages
The only centered page is design:Main.WebHome
which is consistent with
xwiki:Main.WebHome. I won't change that.
> * It's a real pity that you seem to have lost the history and thus
creation
> date/author and last modified date/author since ideally the LT should
be
> > filtered by latest proposal first (as for the Extensions of e.x.o).
> >
>
> Just like on e.x.o the livetable is filtered after 'Last modified'. > on design.xwiki.org have suffered
modifications (objects added, etc.)
so
> it's normal that they are modified in
the past week.
> I haven't lost the history (except for 4 pages). All the other have
been
imported
with history, but when you look at them you see they were
created
by me because that's how we handle import and
copy (see
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-925)
> * I think you've been a bit overzeleaous in changing states of
proposals...
> going to try to fix some. At least that's a good way to reset
everything
> :)
> >
>
> I used scripts: copied the state from old dev:Design space, added
> 'completed' state for the incubator pages. I've updated some statuses
some of
them, yes.
> * "Active" vs "Dormant" is too hard IMO. What's the
criteria? For
example
>
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/APM Nobody is working
> actively but it's something I believe we need and it's still valid.
What
> about
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeI'm
> > working on it, once every 4 months. I think these 2 states are too to
> maintain because nobody is going to move them from Active to Dormant.
I'd
> suggest we replace both "Active"
and "Dormant" by "Open" because I
don't
> > think we need to separate them. "Open" should list all designs about
> things
> > that we wish to do. Those that we don't want to do should be in
> "Dropped".
> > WDYT?
> >
>
> I have a list with like 5 variants of states we could have for this If
'Dropped'.
you really want to have this discussion about the
naming we could, but
the
> current variant is: 'Idea', 'Active', 'Dormant',
'Completed', Because
we had the discussion about the Status of the project at the
seminar and that is not visible what is on going and what we might want
to
achieve, I've added the 2 states. If we are
going to add (Not planned)
also
> a 'Target' column to specify the version we want to release that > having an 'Active' state is
important since it shows the features we
are
> really working on.
>
> We could have like a job that listens if a page was not modified for a
> certain period of time and change the status from 'Active' to
'Dormant'
> (Not planned).
>
> As mentioned in my early mail I don't really know the status of others'
> proposals so that's why I asked of you if you could update them in
order
to
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/CAPTCHAIntegration#Historyrea…
be accurate.
> * Is
>
>
>
"Dropped"? Shouldn't it be "Completed"?
>
I haven't changed the Status of this proposal, so this is how it must
have
been put by Jerome on devs wiki. Actually the
devs status was 'Dead'
which
> in the new application is marked as 'Dropped'.
>
>
> > * I don't understand how you categorize designs and how you link them
> > together, for ex:
> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/SearchLucene
> >
>
> The proposals are linked together by using the parent/child >
>
> > * I don't really understand why you consider "Design" to be about
UI
> > only... For ex
> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLScheme is
> purely
> > design and you categorized it as "Feature".
>
>
> For me what is related to visual aspects is 'Design', what is related
to
code is
'Implementation'. We could discuss and add more states but I've
tried to pick the easiest ones.
I agree with Vincent, in practice the page about Mail archive I work on
(listed above) describes both UI and Code of the app. By the way it
contradicts the name of the whole subwiki ("design.xwiki.org"),
considering
the scope of this subwiki is not limited to proposals on visual aspects, it should not be the same term IMO for the whole
subwiki and for this
category Design (vs Implementation), or then you should call the subwiki
"
design-and-implementation.xwiki.org" :) .
Design vs Implementation makes
me
think of Architecture vs Code but maybe it's a developer-centric view :)
pages
'Feature' is used for 'parent'
categories and for proposals that don't
belong to any other category (you could create a special page to be set
as
> parent or use the current as feature).
>
>
> > I also don't understand what
> > "Feature'" means. And why a proposal of "Design" cannot
include
> > requirements?
>
>
> This was a limitation of the application (I was displaying related livetable
just for Feature proposal), now is fixed. If a page have
children
> it will display them.
> Again if you find something that is misplaced please help me fix it.
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
> Or is it just the "latest" stage it's in but that doesn't
> > mean much in agile dev since the design and code work together and > > cycling in small iterations... :)
> >
> > Thanks!
> > -Vincent
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Since I've been using scripts, the Participants and Status might
not
be
> > > accurate since I marked most of them as Completed. Feel free to
mark
your
> > proposal accordingly and maybe even change the parent hierarchy if
you
> find
> > your proposal in the wrong place.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Caty
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Thomas Mortagne
> > <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
> > > <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > *Short version* for voting:
> > > > *A*. Creation of a new wiki on xwiki.org farm that will hold
> > development
> > > > process details about a specific feature. This wiki will
deprecate
> > > > > dev.xwiki.org:Design and incubator.myxwiki.org
> > > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *B*. Vote on naming alternatives for this new wiki:
> > > > > design.xwiki.org
> > > > > incubator.xwiki.org
> > > >
> > > > +1 for design.xwiki.org
> > > > -0 for incubator.xwiki.org, "incubator" means
implementations
> waiting
> > > > to be approved in some mainstream repository for me not design > > > > architecture. It would make
more sense used as the name of a
github
> >
> repository/organization associated to this wiki for example.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > *C*. UI on how a Proposal will be displayed in this new wiki
(example
> > > > AppWithinMinutes):
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> >
>
> > > Looks very nice. Same as Denis, it's very important that it's as
easy
> > > as possible to use and not a
constraint in order to actually be
used.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------------------
> > > > > *Long version: *
> > > > >
> > > > > Right now development process activities are located in > >
places:
> > > > - Analysis + Architecture:
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/
> > > > - Analysis + User Interface:
> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/
> > > > - Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/, http://jira.xwiki.org,
chats,
> git
> > > > comments, etc.
> > > >
> > > > This process can be hard to optimize and information is hard to
track
> > if
> > > > you are looking for specific information.
> > > > And the worst part of it is that is hard to automatize and lots
of
> > the
> > > > > items need manual gathering or search.
> > > > >
> > > > > *Part A. *
> > > > > This mail is about combining
> > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and
> > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in a single place.
> > > > > This has already been discussed several times before (
> > > > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s and
> > > > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl) and the
> was
> > > > > favorable in this direction.
> > > > > The proposal was to create a new wiki called
design.xwiki.orgthat
> > > will
> > > > > contain the combined information and that will target
developers.
> > > > >
> > > > > The new wiki will be used to gather only proposal's
development
> > process
> > > > > information: requirements, architecture, solutions
alternatives,
> user
> > > > > interface variants, planning, etc. for a specific
> > > > feature/idea/improvement.
> > > > > After the proposal is implemented it will be properly
documented
in
the
> the
> > > > right location for users (ex platform.xwiki.org).
> > > > It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code on this wiki in order to
> > > demonstrate
> > > > the functionality of the proposals, but we should not add
> > > > experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars, etc.). For
this
> case
> > > it
> > > > is advisable to use a test machine, share your own instance or
use
> > the
> > > > > contrib.xwiki.org repository for hosting.
> > > > >
> > > > > The version upgrades will be handle by a community admin and
wiki
> > > > gardening by me.
> > > >
> > > > The data from incubator.myxwiki.org and dev.xwiki.org:Design
will
> be
> > > > moved
> > > > > gradually after the new wiki is created.
> > > > >
> > > > > *Part B. *
> > > > > You should state your opinion regarding which name is better
the
> > new
> > > > wiki:
> > > > - design.xwiki.org
> > > > - incubator.xwiki.org
> > > > - we accept other proposals.
> > > >
> > > > *Part C.*
> > > > I've made a proposal on how a proposal page would look like:
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > The proposal page will gather all the information related to
it,
>
making
> > > it
> > > > easier to track it's progress.
> > > >
> > > > The entries will be separated depending on 4 categories:
Analysis,
> > > > > Architecture, User Interface and Implementation, each category
> having
> > > > it's
> > > > > own status, participants, jiras and timeframe.
> > > > > Categories are not mandatory for all proposals, smaller >
will
> > > have
> > > > just the related pages for certain areas.
> > > > Each proposal will store it's data in a dedicated space.
> > > >
> > > > The implementation of the proposal will be handled by me.
> > > >
> > > > Let me know what you think.
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Caty
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > devs mailing list
> > > > devs(a)xwiki.org
> > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Thomas Mortagne
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > devs mailing list
> > > devs(a)xwiki.org
> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > devs(a)xwiki.org
> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> >
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11:02 a.m.
I configured the design wiki rights like others sub wikis rights.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Sounds like "code" css class is broken in
that skin (this class is
supposed to follow newlines and white spaces like <pre>).
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Jeremie BOUSQUET
<jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com> wrote:
--
Thomas Mortagne
Another thing, seems now the {{code}} macro puts
everything on one line ...
(at least, for unauthentified user).
Same page:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication
BR,
Jeremie
2013/11/18 Marius Dumitru Florea <mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com>
--
Thomas Mortagne Someone else complained to me about this rights
issue too and I couldn't
reproduce with my user because I have special rights.
On Nov 15, 2013 5:18 PM, "Jeremie BOUSQUET" <jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
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devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs Hello,
Maybe it's not finished yet or I missed something, but if I browse this
page:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication
If I'm not authentified, I can see the page.
If I log in (in order to edit the page), I can't even see the page ("You
are not allowed to view this document or perform this action ...").
2013/11/15 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
> Hi,
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I've finished moving the content from
> > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and
> > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements, Standards, Tech,
Mockups
> > > spaces) to the new wiki
> > > http://design.xwiki.org/
> >
> >
> > Woohoo :) Nice progress from before, well done!
> >
> > Some quick comments:
> >
> > * Is it possible to remove the centered thing and do the same as on
other
> > subwikis of xwiki.org? (consistency!)
> >
>
> The proposal pages are full width just like the other pages on
xwiki.org
.
> The only centered page is design:Main.WebHome which is consistent with
> xwiki:Main.WebHome. I won't change that.
>
>
> > * It's a real pity that you seem to have lost the history and thus
> creation
> > date/author and last modified date/author since ideally the LT should
be
> > filtered by latest proposal first (as for the Extensions of e.x.o).
> >
>
> Just like on e.x.o the livetable is filtered after 'Last modified'.
Pages
> on design.xwiki.org have suffered
modifications (objects added, etc.)
so
> it's normal that they are modified in
the past week.
> I haven't lost the history (except for 4 pages). All the other have
been
> imported with history, but when you look at
them you see they were
created
> by me because that's how we handle import and copy (see
> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-925)
>
>
> > * I think you've been a bit overzeleaous in changing states of
> proposals...
> > going to try to fix some. At least that's a good way to reset
everything
> :)
> >
>
> I used scripts: copied the state from old dev:Design space, added
> 'completed' state for the incubator pages. I've updated some statuses
for
> some of them, yes.
>
>
> > * "Active" vs "Dormant" is too hard IMO. What's the
criteria? For
example
> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/APM Nobody is working
> > actively but it's something I believe we need and it's still valid.
What
> > about
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeI'm
> > working on it, once every 4 months. I think these 2 states are too
hard
> to
> > maintain because nobody is going to move them from Active to Dormant.
I'd
> > suggest we replace both "Active" and "Dormant" by
"Open" because I
don't
> > think we need to separate them. "Open" should list all designs about
> things
> > that we wish to do. Those that we don't want to do should be in
> "Dropped".
> > WDYT?
> >
>
> I have a list with like 5 variants of states we could have for this
app.
If
> you really want to have this discussion about the naming we could, but
the
> current variant is: 'Idea', 'Active', 'Dormant',
'Completed',
'Dropped'.
> Because we had the discussion about the
Status of the project at the
> seminar and that is not visible what is on going and what we might want
to
> achieve, I've added the 2 states. If we are going to add (Not planned)
also
> a 'Target' column to specify the version we want to release that
feature,
> having an 'Active' state is
important since it shows the features we
are
> really working on.
>
> We could have like a job that listens if a page was not modified for a
> certain period of time and change the status from 'Active' to
'Dormant'
> (Not planned).
>
> As mentioned in my early mail I don't really know the status of others'
> proposals so that's why I asked of you if you could update them in
order
to
> be accurate.
>
>
> > * Is
> >
> >
>
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/CAPTCHAIntegration#Historyrea…
> > "Dropped"? Shouldn't it
be "Completed"?
> >
>
> I haven't changed the Status of this proposal, so this is how it must
have
> been put by Jerome on devs wiki. Actually the devs status was 'Dead'
which
> in the new application is marked as 'Dropped'.
>
>
> > * I don't understand how you categorize designs and how you link them
> > together, for ex:
> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/SearchLucene
> >
>
> The proposals are linked together by using the parent/child
relationship.
>
>
> > * I don't really understand why you consider "Design" to be about
UI
> > only... For ex
> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLScheme is
> purely
> > design and you categorized it as "Feature".
>
>
> For me what is related to visual aspects is 'Design', what is related
to
> code is 'Implementation'. We could
discuss and add more states but I've
> tried to pick the easiest ones.
>
I agree with Vincent, in practice the page about Mail archive I work on
(listed above) describes both UI and Code of the app. By the way it
contradicts the name of the whole subwiki ("design.xwiki.org"),
considering
the scope of this subwiki is not limited to proposals on visual aspects,
so
it should not be the same term IMO for the whole
subwiki and for this
category Design (vs Implementation), or then you should call the subwiki
"
design-and-implementation.xwiki.org" :) .
Design vs Implementation makes
me
think of Architecture vs Code but maybe it's a developer-centric view :)
> 'Feature' is used for 'parent' categories and for proposals that
don't
> belong to any other category (you could create a special page to be set
as
> parent or use the current as feature).
>
>
> > I also don't understand what
> > "Feature'" means. And why a proposal of "Design" cannot
include
> > requirements?
>
>
> This was a limitation of the application (I was displaying related
pages
> livetable just for Feature proposal), now is
fixed. If a page have
children
> it will display them.
> Again if you find something that is misplaced please help me fix it.
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
> Or is it just the "latest" stage it's in but that doesn't
> > mean much in agile dev since the design and code work together and
are
> > cycling in small iterations... :)
> >
> > Thanks!
> > -Vincent
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Since I've been using scripts, the Participants and Status might
not
be
> > > accurate since I marked most of them as Completed. Feel free to
mark
> your
> > > proposal accordingly and maybe even change the parent hierarchy if
you
> > find
> > > your proposal in the wrong place.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Caty
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Thomas Mortagne
> > > <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
> > > > <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > *Short version* for voting:
> > > > > *A*. Creation of a new wiki on xwiki.org farm that will hold
> > > development
> > > > > process details about a specific feature. This wiki will
deprecate
> > > > > dev.xwiki.org:Design and incubator.myxwiki.org
> > > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *B*. Vote on naming alternatives for this new wiki:
> > > > > design.xwiki.org
> > > > > incubator.xwiki.org
> > > >
> > > > +1 for design.xwiki.org
> > > > -0 for incubator.xwiki.org, "incubator" means
implementations
> waiting
> > > > to be approved in some mainstream repository for me not design
and
> > > > architecture. It would make
more sense used as the name of a
github
> > > > repository/organization
associated to this wiki for example.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *C*. UI on how a Proposal will be displayed in this new wiki
> (example
> > > > > AppWithinMinutes):
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
> > > >
> > > > Looks very nice. Same as Denis, it's very important that it's
as
easy
> > > > as possible to use and not a constraint in order to actually be
used.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------------------
> > > > > *Long version: *
> > > > >
> > > > > Right now development process activities are located in
multiple
> > > places:
> > > > > - Analysis + Architecture:
> > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/
> > > > > - Analysis + User Interface:
> > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/
> > > > > - Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/, http://jira.xwiki.org,
chats,
> > git
> > > > > comments, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > This process can be hard to optimize and information is hard to
> track
> > > if
> > > > > you are looking for specific information.
> > > > > And the worst part of it is that is hard to automatize and lots
of
> > the
> > > > > items need manual gathering or search.
> > > > >
> > > > > *Part A. *
> > > > > This mail is about combining
> > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and
> > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in a single place.
> > > > > This has already been discussed several times before (
> > > > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s and
> > > > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl) and the
vote
> was
> > > > > favorable in this direction.
> > > > > The proposal was to create a new wiki called
design.xwiki.orgthat
> > > will
> > > > > contain the combined information and that will target
developers.
> > > > >
> > > > > The new wiki will be used to gather only proposal's
development
> > process
> > > > > information: requirements, architecture, solutions
alternatives,
> user
> > > > > interface variants, planning, etc. for a specific
> > > > feature/idea/improvement.
> > > > > After the proposal is implemented it will be properly
documented
in
> > the
> > > > > right location for users (ex platform.xwiki.org).
> > > > > It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code on this wiki in order to
> > > > demonstrate
> > > > > the functionality of the proposals, but we should not add
> > > > > experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars, etc.). For
this
> > case
> > > > it
> > > > > is advisable to use a test machine, share your own instance or
use
> > the
> > > > > contrib.xwiki.org repository for hosting.
> > > > >
> > > > > The version upgrades will be handle by a community admin and
the
> wiki
> > > > > gardening by me.
> > > > >
> > > > > The data from incubator.myxwiki.org and dev.xwiki.org:Design
will
> be
> > > > moved
> > > > > gradually after the new wiki is created.
> > > > >
> > > > > *Part B. *
> > > > > You should state your opinion regarding which name is better
for
> the
> > > new
> > > > > wiki:
> > > > > - design.xwiki.org
> > > > > - incubator.xwiki.org
> > > > > - we accept other proposals.
> > > > >
> > > > > *Part C.*
> > > > > I've made a proposal on how a proposal page would look
like:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
> > > > >
> > > > > The proposal page will gather all the information related to
it,
> > making
> > > > it
> > > > > easier to track it's progress.
> > > > >
> > > > > The entries will be separated depending on 4 categories:
Analysis,
> > > > > Architecture, User Interface and Implementation, each category
> having
> > > > it's
> > > > > own status, participants, jiras and timeframe.
> > > > > Categories are not mandatory for all proposals, smaller
proposals
> > will
> > > > have
> > > > > just the related pages for certain areas.
> > > > > Each proposal will store it's data in a dedicated space.
> > > > >
> > > > > The implementation of the proposal will be handled by me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me know what you think.
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Caty
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > devs mailing list
> > > > > devs(a)xwiki.org
> > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Thomas Mortagne
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > devs mailing list
> > > > devs(a)xwiki.org
> > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> > > >
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> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > devs mailing list
> > devs(a)xwiki.org
> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> >
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11:18 a.m.
Same issue here ...
2013/11/18 Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
I configured the design wiki rights like others sub
wikis rights.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
--
Thomas Mortagne
--
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Sounds like "code" css class is broken
in that skin (this class is
supposed to follow newlines and white spaces like <pre>).
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Jeremie BOUSQUET
<jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Another thing, seems now the {{code}} macro puts everything on one line
...
> (at least, for unauthentified user).
> Same page:
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication
>
> BR,
> Jeremie
>
>
> 2013/11/18 Marius Dumitru Florea <mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com>
>
>> Someone else complained to me about this rights issue too and I
couldn't
>> reproduce with my user because I have
special rights.
>> On Nov 15, 2013 5:18 PM, "Jeremie BOUSQUET" <
jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Maybe it's not finished yet or I missed something, but if I browse
this
>> > page:
>> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication
>> >
>> > If I'm not authentified, I can see the page.
>> > If I log in (in order to edit the page), I can't even see the page
("You
>> > are not allowed to view this
document or perform this action ...").
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/11/15 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
>> >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Vincent Massol <
vincent(a)massol.net>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
>> > > > valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Hi,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I've finished moving the content from
>> > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and
>> > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements, Standards, Tech,
>> Mockups
>> > > > > spaces) to the new wiki
>> > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Woohoo :) Nice progress from before, well done!
>> > > >
>> > > > Some quick comments:
>> > > >
>> > > > * Is it possible to remove the centered thing and do the same as
on
>> > other
>> > > > subwikis of xwiki.org? (consistency!)
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > The proposal pages are full width just like the other pages on
>> xwiki.org
>> > .
>> > > The only centered page is design:Main.WebHome which is consistent
with
>> > > xwiki:Main.WebHome. I won't
change that.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > * It's a real pity that you seem to have lost the history and
thus
>> > > creation
>> > > > date/author and last modified date/author since ideally the LT
should
>> > be
>> > > > filtered by latest proposal first (as for the Extensions of
e.x.o).
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Just like on e.x.o the livetable is filtered after 'Last
modified'.
>> Pages
>> > > on design.xwiki.org have suffered modifications (objects added,
etc.)
>> so
>> > > it's normal that they are modified in the past week.
>> > > I haven't lost the history (except for 4 pages). All the other
have
>> been
>> > > imported with history, but when you look at them you see they were
>> > created
>> > > by me because that's how we handle import and copy (see
>> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-925)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > * I think you've been a bit overzeleaous in changing states
of
>> > > proposals...
>> > > > going to try to fix some. At least that's a good way to reset
>> > everything
>> > > :)
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > I used scripts: copied the state from old dev:Design space, added
>> > > 'completed' state for the incubator pages. I've updated
some
statuses
>> for
>> > > some of them, yes.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > * "Active" vs "Dormant" is too hard IMO.
What's the criteria? For
>> > example
>> > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/APM Nobody is
working
>> > > > actively but it's
something I believe we need and it's still
valid.
>> > What
>> > > > about
>> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeI'm
>> > > > working on it, once every 4 months. I think these 2 states are
too
>> hard
>> > > to
>> > > > maintain because nobody is going to move them from Active to
Dormant.
>> > I'd
>> > > > suggest we replace both "Active" and "Dormant"
by "Open" because
I
>> > don't
>> > > > think we need to separate them. "Open" should list all
designs
about
>> > > things
>> > > > that we wish to do. Those that we don't want to do should be
in
>> > > "Dropped".
>> > > > WDYT?
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > I have a list with like 5 variants of states we could have for this
>> app.
>> > If
>> > > you really want to have this discussion about the naming we could,
but
>> > the
>> > > current variant is: 'Idea', 'Active',
'Dormant', 'Completed',
>> 'Dropped'.
>> > > Because we had the discussion about the Status of the project at
the
>> > > seminar and that is not visible
what is on going and what we might
want
>> > to
>> > > achieve, I've added the 2 states. If we are going to add (Not
planned)
>> > also
>> > > a 'Target' column to specify the version we want to release
that
>> feature,
>> > > having an 'Active' state is important since it shows the
features
we
>> are
>> > > really working on.
>> > >
>> > > We could have like a job that listens if a page was not modified
for a
>> > > certain period of time and
change the status from 'Active' to
'Dormant'
>> > > (Not planned).
>> > >
>> > > As mentioned in my early mail I don't really know the status of
others'
>> > > proposals so that's why I
asked of you if you could update them in
>> order
>> > to
>> > > be accurate.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > * Is
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/CAPTCHAIntegration#Historyrea…
>> > > > "Dropped"?
Shouldn't it be "Completed"?
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > I haven't changed the Status of this proposal, so this is how it
must
>> > have
>> > > been put by Jerome on devs wiki. Actually the devs status was
'Dead'
>> > which
>> > > in the new application is marked as 'Dropped'.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > * I don't understand how you categorize designs and how you
link
them
>> > > > together, for ex:
>> > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/SearchLucene
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > The proposals are linked together by using the parent/child
>> relationship.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > * I don't really understand why you consider
"Design" to be
about UI
>> > > > only... For ex
>> > > >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeis
>> > > purely
>> > > > design and you categorized it as "Feature".
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > For me what is related to visual aspects is 'Design', what is
related
>> to
>> > > code is 'Implementation'. We could discuss and add more states
but
I've
>> > > tried to pick the easiest
ones.
>> > >
>> >
>> > I agree with Vincent, in practice the page about Mail archive I work
on
>> > (listed above) describes both UI and
Code of the app. By the way it
>> > contradicts the name of the whole subwiki ("design.xwiki.org"),
>> > considering
>> > the scope of this subwiki is not limited to proposals on visual
aspects,
>> so
>> > it should not be the same term IMO for the whole subwiki and for this
>> > category Design (vs Implementation), or then you should call the
subwiki
>> "
>> > design-and-implementation.xwiki.org" :) . Design vs Implementation
makes
>> > me
>> > think of Architecture vs Code but maybe it's a developer-centric
view :)
>> >
>> >
>> > > 'Feature' is used for 'parent' categories and for
proposals that
don't
>> > > belong to any other category
(you could create a special page to
be set
>> > as
>> > > parent or use the current as feature).
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > I also don't understand what
>> > > > "Feature'" means. And why a proposal of
"Design" cannot include
>> > > > requirements?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > This was a limitation of the application (I was displaying related
>> pages
>> > > livetable just for Feature proposal), now is fixed. If a page have
>> > children
>> > > it will display them.
>> > > Again if you find something that is misplaced please help me fix
it.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Caty
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Or is it just the "latest" stage it's in but that
doesn't
>> > > > mean much in agile dev since the design and code work together
and
>> are
>> > > > cycling in small iterations... :)
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks!
>> > > > -Vincent
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Since I've been using scripts, the Participants and
Status
might
>> not
>> > be
>> > > > > accurate since I marked most of them as Completed. Feel free
to
>> mark
>> > > your
>> > > > > proposal accordingly and maybe even change the parent
hierarchy if
>> > you
>> > > > find
>> > > > > your proposal in the wrong place.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thanks,
>> > > > > Caty
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Thomas Mortagne
>> > > > > <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica)
>> > > > > > <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > Hi,
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > *Short version* for voting:
>> > > > > > > *A*. Creation of a new wiki on xwiki.org farm that
will
hold
>> > > > > development
>> > > > > > > process details about a specific feature. This wiki
will
>> > deprecate
>> > > > > > > dev.xwiki.org:Design and incubator.myxwiki.org
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > +1
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > *B*. Vote on naming alternatives for this new
wiki:
>> > > > > > > design.xwiki.org
>> > > > > > > incubator.xwiki.org
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > +1 for design.xwiki.org
>> > > > > > -0 for incubator.xwiki.org, "incubator" means
implementations
>> > > waiting
>> > > > > > to be approved in some mainstream repository for me not
design
>> and
>> > > > > > architecture. It would make more sense used as the name
of a
>> github
>> > > > > > repository/organization associated to this wiki for
example.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > *C*. UI on how a Proposal will be displayed in this
new
wiki
>> > > (example
>> > > > > > > AppWithinMinutes):
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Looks very nice. Same as Denis, it's very important
that
it's as
>> > easy
>> > > > > > as possible to use and not a constraint in order to
actually
be
>> > used.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------
>> > > > > > > *Long version: *
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Right now development process activities are
located in
>> multiple
>> > > > > places:
>> > > > > > > - Analysis + Architecture:
>> > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/
>> > > > > > > - Analysis + User Interface:
>> > > > > > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/
>> > > > > > > - Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/,
http://jira.xwiki.org
,
>> > chats,
>> > > > git
>> > > > > > > comments, etc.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > This process can be hard to optimize and
information is
hard to
>> > > track
>> > > > > if
>> > > > > > > you are looking for specific information.
>> > > > > > > And the worst part of it is that is hard to
automatize and
lots
>> > of
>> > > > the
>> > > > > > > items need manual gathering or search.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > *Part A. *
>> > > > > > > This mail is about combining
>> > > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and
>> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in a single
place.
>> > > > > > > This has already been discussed several times
before (
>> > > > > > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s
and
>> > > > > > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl)
and the
>> vote
>> > > was
>> > > > > > > favorable in this direction.
>> > > > > > > The proposal was to create a new wiki called
>> design.xwiki.orgthat
>> > > > > will
>> > > > > > > contain the combined information and that will
target
>> developers.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > The new wiki will be used to gather only
proposal's
development
>> > > > process
>> > > > > > > information: requirements, architecture, solutions
>> alternatives,
>> > > user
>> > > > > > > interface variants, planning, etc. for a specific
>> > > > > > feature/idea/improvement.
>> > > > > > > After the proposal is implemented it will be
properly
>> documented
>> > in
>> > > > the
>> > > > > > > right location for users (ex platform.xwiki.org).
>> > > > > > > It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code on this wiki
in
order to
>> > > > > > demonstrate
>> > > > > > > the functionality of the proposals, but we should
not add
>> > > > > > > experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars,
etc.).
For
>> > this
>> > > > case
>> > > > > > it
>> > > > > > > is advisable to use a test machine, share your own
instance or
>> > use
>> > > > the
>> > > > > > > contrib.xwiki.org repository for hosting.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > The version upgrades will be handle by a community
admin
and
>> the
>> > > wiki
>> > > > > > > gardening by me.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > The data from incubator.myxwiki.org and
dev.xwiki.org:
Design
>> > will
>> > > be
>> > > > > > moved
>> > > > > > > gradually after the new wiki is created.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > *Part B. *
>> > > > > > > You should state your opinion regarding which name
is
better
>> for
>> > > the
>> > > > > new
>> > > > > > > wiki:
>> > > > > > > - design.xwiki.org
>> > > > > > > - incubator.xwiki.org
>> > > > > > > - we accept other proposals.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > *Part C.*
>> > > > > > > I've made a proposal on how a proposal page
would look
like:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > The proposal page will gather all the information
related
to
>> it,
>> > > > making
>> > > > > > it
>> > > > > > > easier to track it's progress.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > The entries will be separated depending on 4
categories:
>> > Analysis,
>> > > > > > > Architecture, User Interface and Implementation,
each
category
> > having
> > > > > it's
> > > > > > own status, participants, jiras and timeframe.
> > > > > > Categories are not mandatory for all proposals, smaller
proposals
> > > will
> > > > > have
> > > > > > just the related pages for certain areas.
> > > > > > Each proposal will store it's data in a dedicated
space.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The implementation of the proposal will be handled by me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let me know what you think.
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Caty
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > devs mailing list
> > > > > > devs(a)xwiki.org
> > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Thomas Mortagne
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >
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> > >
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11:30 a.m.
I had forgotten one, should be ok now.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Jeremie BOUSQUET
<jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Same issue here ...
2013/11/18 Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
--
Thomas Mortagne
I configured the design wiki rights like others
sub wikis rights.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
--
Thomas Mortagne
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs Sounds like "code" css class is broken
in that skin (this class is
supposed to follow newlines and white spaces like <pre>).
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Jeremie BOUSQUET
<jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Another thing, seems now the {{code}} macro puts everything on one line
...
> (at least, for unauthentified user).
> Same page:
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication
>
> BR,
> Jeremie
>
>
> 2013/11/18 Marius Dumitru Florea <mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com>
>
>> Someone else complained to me about this rights issue too and I
couldn't
>> reproduce with my user because I have
special rights.
>> On Nov 15, 2013 5:18 PM, "Jeremie BOUSQUET" <
jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Maybe it's not finished yet or I missed something, but if I browse
this
>> > page:
>> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication
>> >
>> > If I'm not authentified, I can see the page.
>> > If I log in (in order to edit the page), I can't even see the page
("You
>> > are not allowed to view this
document or perform this action ...").
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/11/15 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
>> >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Vincent Massol <
vincent(a)massol.net>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
>> > > > valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Hi,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I've finished moving the content from
>> > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and
>> > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements, Standards, Tech,
>> Mockups
>> > > > > spaces) to the new wiki
>> > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Woohoo :) Nice progress from before, well done!
>> > > >
>> > > > Some quick comments:
>> > > >
>> > > > * Is it possible to remove the centered thing and do the same as
on
>> > other
>> > > > subwikis of xwiki.org? (consistency!)
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > The proposal pages are full width just like the other pages on
>> xwiki.org
>> > .
>> > > The only centered page is design:Main.WebHome which is consistent
with
>> > > xwiki:Main.WebHome. I won't
change that.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > * It's a real pity that you seem to have lost the history and
thus
>> > > creation
>> > > > date/author and last modified date/author since ideally the LT
should
>> > be
>> > > > filtered by latest proposal first (as for the Extensions of
e.x.o).
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Just like on e.x.o the livetable is filtered after 'Last
modified'.
>> Pages
>> > > on design.xwiki.org have suffered modifications (objects added,
etc.)
>> so
>> > > it's normal that they are modified in the past week.
>> > > I haven't lost the history (except for 4 pages). All the other
have
>> been
>> > > imported with history, but when you look at them you see they were
>> > created
>> > > by me because that's how we handle import and copy (see
>> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-925)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > * I think you've been a bit overzeleaous in changing states
of
>> > > proposals...
>> > > > going to try to fix some. At least that's a good way to reset
>> > everything
>> > > :)
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > I used scripts: copied the state from old dev:Design space, added
>> > > 'completed' state for the incubator pages. I've updated
some
statuses
>> for
>> > > some of them, yes.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > * "Active" vs "Dormant" is too hard IMO.
What's the criteria? For
>> > example
>> > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/APM Nobody is
working
>> > > > actively but it's
something I believe we need and it's still
valid.
>> > What
>> > > > about
>> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeI'm
>> > > > working on it, once every 4 months. I think these 2 states are
too
>> hard
>> > > to
>> > > > maintain because nobody is going to move them from Active to
Dormant.
>> > I'd
>> > > > suggest we replace both "Active" and "Dormant"
by "Open" because
I
>> > don't
>> > > > think we need to separate them. "Open" should list all
designs
about
>> > > things
>> > > > that we wish to do. Those that we don't want to do should be
in
>> > > "Dropped".
>> > > > WDYT?
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > I have a list with like 5 variants of states we could have for this
>> app.
>> > If
>> > > you really want to have this discussion about the naming we could,
but
>> > the
>> > > current variant is: 'Idea', 'Active',
'Dormant', 'Completed',
>> 'Dropped'.
>> > > Because we had the discussion about the Status of the project at
the
>> > > seminar and that is not visible
what is on going and what we might
want
>> > to
>> > > achieve, I've added the 2 states. If we are going to add (Not
planned)
>> > also
>> > > a 'Target' column to specify the version we want to release
that
>> feature,
>> > > having an 'Active' state is important since it shows the
features
we
>> are
>> > > really working on.
>> > >
>> > > We could have like a job that listens if a page was not modified
for a
>> > > certain period of time and
change the status from 'Active' to
'Dormant'
>> > > (Not planned).
>> > >
>> > > As mentioned in my early mail I don't really know the status of
others'
>> > > proposals so that's why I
asked of you if you could update them in
>> order
>> > to
>> > > be accurate.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > * Is
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/CAPTCHAIntegration#Historyrea…
>> > > > "Dropped"?
Shouldn't it be "Completed"?
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > I haven't changed the Status of this proposal, so this is how it
must
>> > have
>> > > been put by Jerome on devs wiki. Actually the devs status was
'Dead'
>> > which
>> > > in the new application is marked as 'Dropped'.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > * I don't understand how you categorize designs and how you
link
them
>> > > > together, for ex:
>> > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/SearchLucene
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > The proposals are linked together by using the parent/child
>> relationship.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > * I don't really understand why you consider
"Design" to be
about UI
>> > > > only... For ex
>> > > >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeis
>> > > purely
>> > > > design and you categorized it as "Feature".
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > For me what is related to visual aspects is 'Design', what is
related
>> to
>> > > code is 'Implementation'. We could discuss and add more states
but
I've
>> > > tried to pick the easiest
ones.
>> > >
>> >
>> > I agree with Vincent, in practice the page about Mail archive I work
on
>> > (listed above) describes both UI and
Code of the app. By the way it
>> > contradicts the name of the whole subwiki ("design.xwiki.org"),
>> > considering
>> > the scope of this subwiki is not limited to proposals on visual
aspects,
>> so
>> > it should not be the same term IMO for the whole subwiki and for this
>> > category Design (vs Implementation), or then you should call the
subwiki
>> "
>> > design-and-implementation.xwiki.org" :) . Design vs Implementation
makes
>> > me
>> > think of Architecture vs Code but maybe it's a developer-centric
view :)
>> >
>> >
>> > > 'Feature' is used for 'parent' categories and for
proposals that
don't
>> > > belong to any other category
(you could create a special page to
be set
>> > as
>> > > parent or use the current as feature).
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > I also don't understand what
>> > > > "Feature'" means. And why a proposal of
"Design" cannot include
>> > > > requirements?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > This was a limitation of the application (I was displaying related
>> pages
>> > > livetable just for Feature proposal), now is fixed. If a page have
>> > children
>> > > it will display them.
>> > > Again if you find something that is misplaced please help me fix
it.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Caty
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Or is it just the "latest" stage it's in but that
doesn't
>> > > > mean much in agile dev since the design and code work together
and
>> are
>> > > > cycling in small iterations... :)
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks!
>> > > > -Vincent
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Since I've been using scripts, the Participants and
Status
might
>> not
>> > be
>> > > > > accurate since I marked most of them as Completed. Feel free
to
>> mark
>> > > your
>> > > > > proposal accordingly and maybe even change the parent
hierarchy if
>> > you
>> > > > find
>> > > > > your proposal in the wrong place.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thanks,
>> > > > > Caty
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Thomas Mortagne
>> > > > > <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica)
>> > > > > > <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > Hi,
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > *Short version* for voting:
>> > > > > > > *A*. Creation of a new wiki on xwiki.org farm that
will
hold
>> > > > > development
>> > > > > > > process details about a specific feature. This wiki
will
>> > deprecate
>> > > > > > > dev.xwiki.org:Design and incubator.myxwiki.org
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > +1
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > *B*. Vote on naming alternatives for this new
wiki:
>> > > > > > > design.xwiki.org
>> > > > > > > incubator.xwiki.org
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > +1 for design.xwiki.org
>> > > > > > -0 for incubator.xwiki.org, "incubator" means
implementations
>> > > waiting
>> > > > > > to be approved in some mainstream repository for me not
design
>> and
>> > > > > > architecture. It would make more sense used as the name
of a
>> github
>> > > > > > repository/organization associated to this wiki for
example.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > *C*. UI on how a Proposal will be displayed in this
new
wiki
>> > > (example
>> > > > > > > AppWithinMinutes):
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Looks very nice. Same as Denis, it's very important
that
it's as
>> > easy
>> > > > > > as possible to use and not a constraint in order to
actually
be
>> > used.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------
>> > > > > > > *Long version: *
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Right now development process activities are
located in
>> multiple
>> > > > > places:
>> > > > > > > - Analysis + Architecture:
>> > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/
>> > > > > > > - Analysis + User Interface:
>> > > > > > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/
>> > > > > > > - Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/,
http://jira.xwiki.org
,
>> > chats,
>> > > > git
>> > > > > > > comments, etc.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > This process can be hard to optimize and
information is
hard to
>> > > track
>> > > > > if
>> > > > > > > you are looking for specific information.
>> > > > > > > And the worst part of it is that is hard to
automatize and
lots
>> > of
>> > > > the
>> > > > > > > items need manual gathering or search.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > *Part A. *
>> > > > > > > This mail is about combining
>> > > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and
>> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in a single
place.
>> > > > > > > This has already been discussed several times
before (
>> > > > > > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s
and
>> > > > > > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl)
and the
>> vote
>> > > was
>> > > > > > > favorable in this direction.
>> > > > > > > The proposal was to create a new wiki called
>> design.xwiki.orgthat
>> > > > > will
>> > > > > > > contain the combined information and that will
target
>> developers.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > The new wiki will be used to gather only
proposal's
development
>> > > > process
>> > > > > > > information: requirements, architecture, solutions
>> alternatives,
>> > > user
>> > > > > > > interface variants, planning, etc. for a specific
>> > > > > > feature/idea/improvement.
>> > > > > > > After the proposal is implemented it will be
properly
>> documented
>> > in
>> > > > the
>> > > > > > > right location for users (ex platform.xwiki.org).
>> > > > > > > It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code on this wiki
in
order to
>> > > > > > demonstrate
>> > > > > > > the functionality of the proposals, but we should
not add
>> > > > > > > experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars,
etc.).
For
>> > this
>> > > > case
>> > > > > > it
>> > > > > > > is advisable to use a test machine, share your own
instance or
>> > use
>> > > > the
>> > > > > > > contrib.xwiki.org repository for hosting.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > The version upgrades will be handle by a community
admin
and
>> the
>> > > wiki
>> > > > > > > gardening by me.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > The data from incubator.myxwiki.org and
dev.xwiki.org:
Design
>> > will
>> > > be
>> > > > > > moved
>> > > > > > > gradually after the new wiki is created.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > *Part B. *
>> > > > > > > You should state your opinion regarding which name
is
better
>> for
>> > > the
>> > > > > new
>> > > > > > > wiki:
>> > > > > > > - design.xwiki.org
>> > > > > > > - incubator.xwiki.org
>> > > > > > > - we accept other proposals.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > *Part C.*
>> > > > > > > I've made a proposal on how a proposal page
would look
like:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > The proposal page will gather all the information
related
to
>> it,
>> > > > making
>> > > > > > it
>> > > > > > > easier to track it's progress.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > The entries will be separated depending on 4
categories:
>> > Analysis,
>> > > > > > > Architecture, User Interface and Implementation,
each
category
> >
> having
> > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > own status, participants, jiras and timeframe.
> > > > > > > Categories are not mandatory for all proposals,
smaller
> proposals
> > > > will
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > just the related pages for certain areas.
> > > > > > > Each proposal will store it's data in a dedicated
space.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The implementation of the proposal will be handled by
me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let me know what you think.
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > Caty
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > devs mailing list
> > > > > > > devs(a)xwiki.org
> > > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Thomas Mortagne
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> > > > >
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11:50 a.m.
Ok this time it's really ok...
There was not existing groups with rights set to them on that wiki.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
I had forgotten one, should be ok now.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Jeremie BOUSQUET
<jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com> wrote:
--
Thomas Mortagne
Same issue here ...
2013/11/18 Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
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Thomas Mortagne I configured the design wiki rights like others
sub wikis rights.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs Sounds like "code" css class is broken
in that skin (this class is
supposed to follow newlines and white spaces like <pre>).
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Jeremie BOUSQUET
<jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Another thing, seems now the {{code}} macro puts everything on one line
...
> (at least, for unauthentified user).
> Same page:
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication
>
> BR,
> Jeremie
>
>
> 2013/11/18 Marius Dumitru Florea <mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com>
>
>> Someone else complained to me about this rights issue too and I
couldn't
>> reproduce with my user because I have
special rights.
>> On Nov 15, 2013 5:18 PM, "Jeremie BOUSQUET" <
jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Maybe it's not finished yet or I missed something, but if I browse
this
>> > page:
>> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication
>> >
>> > If I'm not authentified, I can see the page.
>> > If I log in (in order to edit the page), I can't even see the page
("You
>> > are not allowed to view this
document or perform this action ...").
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/11/15 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
>> >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Vincent Massol <
vincent(a)massol.net>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
>> > > > valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Hi,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I've finished moving the content from
>> > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and
>> > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements, Standards, Tech,
>> Mockups
>> > > > > spaces) to the new wiki
>> > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Woohoo :) Nice progress from before, well done!
>> > > >
>> > > > Some quick comments:
>> > > >
>> > > > * Is it possible to remove the centered thing and do the same as
on
>> > other
>> > > > subwikis of xwiki.org? (consistency!)
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > The proposal pages are full width just like the other pages on
>> xwiki.org
>> > .
>> > > The only centered page is design:Main.WebHome which is consistent
with
>> > > xwiki:Main.WebHome. I won't
change that.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > * It's a real pity that you seem to have lost the history and
thus
>> > > creation
>> > > > date/author and last modified date/author since ideally the LT
should
>> > be
>> > > > filtered by latest proposal first (as for the Extensions of
e.x.o).
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Just like on e.x.o the livetable is filtered after 'Last
modified'.
>> Pages
>> > > on design.xwiki.org have suffered modifications (objects added,
etc.)
>> so
>> > > it's normal that they are modified in the past week.
>> > > I haven't lost the history (except for 4 pages). All the other
have
>> been
>> > > imported with history, but when you look at them you see they were
>> > created
>> > > by me because that's how we handle import and copy (see
>> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-925)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > * I think you've been a bit overzeleaous in changing states
of
>> > > proposals...
>> > > > going to try to fix some. At least that's a good way to reset
>> > everything
>> > > :)
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > I used scripts: copied the state from old dev:Design space, added
>> > > 'completed' state for the incubator pages. I've updated
some
statuses
>> for
>> > > some of them, yes.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > * "Active" vs "Dormant" is too hard IMO.
What's the criteria? For
>> > example
>> > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/APM Nobody is
working
>> > > > actively but it's
something I believe we need and it's still
valid.
>> > What
>> > > > about
>> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeI'm
>> > > > working on it, once every 4 months. I think these 2 states are
too
>> hard
>> > > to
>> > > > maintain because nobody is going to move them from Active to
Dormant.
>> > I'd
>> > > > suggest we replace both "Active" and "Dormant"
by "Open" because
I
>> > don't
>> > > > think we need to separate them. "Open" should list all
designs
about
>> > > things
>> > > > that we wish to do. Those that we don't want to do should be
in
>> > > "Dropped".
>> > > > WDYT?
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > I have a list with like 5 variants of states we could have for this
>> app.
>> > If
>> > > you really want to have this discussion about the naming we could,
but
>> > the
>> > > current variant is: 'Idea', 'Active',
'Dormant', 'Completed',
>> 'Dropped'.
>> > > Because we had the discussion about the Status of the project at
the
>> > > seminar and that is not visible
what is on going and what we might
want
>> > to
>> > > achieve, I've added the 2 states. If we are going to add (Not
planned)
>> > also
>> > > a 'Target' column to specify the version we want to release
that
>> feature,
>> > > having an 'Active' state is important since it shows the
features
we
>> are
>> > > really working on.
>> > >
>> > > We could have like a job that listens if a page was not modified
for a
>> > > certain period of time and
change the status from 'Active' to
'Dormant'
>> > > (Not planned).
>> > >
>> > > As mentioned in my early mail I don't really know the status of
others'
>> > > proposals so that's why I
asked of you if you could update them in
>> order
>> > to
>> > > be accurate.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > * Is
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/CAPTCHAIntegration#Historyrea…
>> > > > "Dropped"?
Shouldn't it be "Completed"?
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > I haven't changed the Status of this proposal, so this is how it
must
>> > have
>> > > been put by Jerome on devs wiki. Actually the devs status was
'Dead'
>> > which
>> > > in the new application is marked as 'Dropped'.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > * I don't understand how you categorize designs and how you
link
them
>> > > > together, for ex:
>> > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/SearchLucene
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > The proposals are linked together by using the parent/child
>> relationship.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > * I don't really understand why you consider
"Design" to be
about UI
>> > > > only... For ex
>> > > >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeis
>> > > purely
>> > > > design and you categorized it as "Feature".
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > For me what is related to visual aspects is 'Design', what is
related
>> to
>> > > code is 'Implementation'. We could discuss and add more states
but
I've
>> > > tried to pick the easiest
ones.
>> > >
>> >
>> > I agree with Vincent, in practice the page about Mail archive I work
on
>> > (listed above) describes both UI and
Code of the app. By the way it
>> > contradicts the name of the whole subwiki ("design.xwiki.org"),
>> > considering
>> > the scope of this subwiki is not limited to proposals on visual
aspects,
>> so
>> > it should not be the same term IMO for the whole subwiki and for this
>> > category Design (vs Implementation), or then you should call the
subwiki
>> "
>> > design-and-implementation.xwiki.org" :) . Design vs Implementation
makes
>> > me
>> > think of Architecture vs Code but maybe it's a developer-centric
view :)
>> >
>> >
>> > > 'Feature' is used for 'parent' categories and for
proposals that
don't
>> > > belong to any other category
(you could create a special page to
be set
>> > as
>> > > parent or use the current as feature).
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > I also don't understand what
>> > > > "Feature'" means. And why a proposal of
"Design" cannot include
>> > > > requirements?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > This was a limitation of the application (I was displaying related
>> pages
>> > > livetable just for Feature proposal), now is fixed. If a page have
>> > children
>> > > it will display them.
>> > > Again if you find something that is misplaced please help me fix
it.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Caty
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Or is it just the "latest" stage it's in but that
doesn't
>> > > > mean much in agile dev since the design and code work together
and
>> are
>> > > > cycling in small iterations... :)
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks!
>> > > > -Vincent
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Since I've been using scripts, the Participants and
Status
might
>> not
>> > be
>> > > > > accurate since I marked most of them as Completed. Feel free
to
>> mark
>> > > your
>> > > > > proposal accordingly and maybe even change the parent
hierarchy if
>> > you
>> > > > find
>> > > > > your proposal in the wrong place.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thanks,
>> > > > > Caty
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Thomas Mortagne
>> > > > > <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica)
>> > > > > > <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > Hi,
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > *Short version* for voting:
>> > > > > > > *A*. Creation of a new wiki on xwiki.org farm that
will
hold
>> > > > > development
>> > > > > > > process details about a specific feature. This wiki
will
>> > deprecate
>> > > > > > > dev.xwiki.org:Design and incubator.myxwiki.org
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > +1
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > *B*. Vote on naming alternatives for this new
wiki:
>> > > > > > > design.xwiki.org
>> > > > > > > incubator.xwiki.org
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > +1 for design.xwiki.org
>> > > > > > -0 for incubator.xwiki.org, "incubator" means
implementations
>> > > waiting
>> > > > > > to be approved in some mainstream repository for me not
design
>> and
>> > > > > > architecture. It would make more sense used as the name
of a
>> github
>> > > > > > repository/organization associated to this wiki for
example.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > *C*. UI on how a Proposal will be displayed in this
new
wiki
>> > > (example
>> > > > > > > AppWithinMinutes):
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Looks very nice. Same as Denis, it's very important
that
it's as
>> > easy
>> > > > > > as possible to use and not a constraint in order to
actually
be
>> > used.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------
>> > > > > > > *Long version: *
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Right now development process activities are
located in
>> multiple
>> > > > > places:
>> > > > > > > - Analysis + Architecture:
>> > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/
>> > > > > > > - Analysis + User Interface:
>> > > > > > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/
>> > > > > > > - Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/,
http://jira.xwiki.org
,
>> > chats,
>> > > > git
>> > > > > > > comments, etc.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > This process can be hard to optimize and
information is
hard to
>> > > track
>> > > > > if
>> > > > > > > you are looking for specific information.
>> > > > > > > And the worst part of it is that is hard to
automatize and
lots
>> > of
>> > > > the
>> > > > > > > items need manual gathering or search.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > *Part A. *
>> > > > > > > This mail is about combining
>> > > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and
>> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in a single
place.
>> > > > > > > This has already been discussed several times
before (
>> > > > > > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s
and
>> > > > > > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl)
and the
>> vote
>> > > was
>> > > > > > > favorable in this direction.
>> > > > > > > The proposal was to create a new wiki called
>> design.xwiki.orgthat
>> > > > > will
>> > > > > > > contain the combined information and that will
target
>> developers.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > The new wiki will be used to gather only
proposal's
development
>> > > > process
>> > > > > > > information: requirements, architecture, solutions
>> alternatives,
>> > > user
>> > > > > > > interface variants, planning, etc. for a specific
>> > > > > > feature/idea/improvement.
>> > > > > > > After the proposal is implemented it will be
properly
>> documented
>> > in
>> > > > the
>> > > > > > > right location for users (ex platform.xwiki.org).
>> > > > > > > It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code on this wiki
in
order to
>> > > > > > demonstrate
>> > > > > > > the functionality of the proposals, but we should
not add
>> > > > > > > experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars,
etc.).
For
>> > this
>> > > > case
>> > > > > > it
>> > > > > > > is advisable to use a test machine, share your own
instance or
>> > use
>> > > > the
>> > > > > > > contrib.xwiki.org repository for hosting.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > The version upgrades will be handle by a community
admin
and
>> the
>> > > wiki
>> > > > > > > gardening by me.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > The data from incubator.myxwiki.org and
dev.xwiki.org:
Design
>> > will
>> > > be
>> > > > > > moved
>> > > > > > > gradually after the new wiki is created.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > *Part B. *
>> > > > > > > You should state your opinion regarding which name
is
better
>> for
>> > > the
>> > > > > new
>> > > > > > > wiki:
>> > > > > > > - design.xwiki.org
>> > > > > > > - incubator.xwiki.org
>> > > > > > > - we accept other proposals.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > *Part C.*
>> > > > > > > I've made a proposal on how a proposal page
would look
like:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > The proposal page will gather all the information
related
to
>> it,
>> > > > making
>> > > > > > it
>> > > > > > > easier to track it's progress.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > The entries will be separated depending on 4
categories:
>> > Analysis,
>> > > > > > > Architecture, User Interface and Implementation,
each
category
>> > > having
>> > > > > > it's
>> > > > > > > own status, participants, jiras and timeframe.
>> > > > > > > Categories are not mandatory for all proposals,
smaller
>> proposals
>> > > > will
>> > > > > > have
>> > > > > > > just the related pages for certain areas.
>> > > > > > > Each proposal will store it's data in a
dedicated space.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > The implementation of the proposal will be handled
by me.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Let me know what you think.
>> > > > > > > Thanks,
>> > > > > > > Caty
>> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
>> > > > > > > devs mailing list
>> > > > > > > devs(a)xwiki.org
>> > > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > --
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It's **almost** ok, now I can view the page when logged in, but I still
don't have edit rights ... ;)
2013/11/18 Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
Ok this time it's really ok...
There was not existing groups with rights set to them on that wiki.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
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I had forgotten one, should be ok now.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Jeremie BOUSQUET
<jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Same issue here ...
>
>
> 2013/11/18 Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
>
>> I configured the design wiki rights like others sub wikis rights.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Thomas Mortagne
>> <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>> > Sounds like "code" css class is broken in that skin (this class
is
>> > supposed to follow newlines and white spaces like <pre>).
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Jeremie BOUSQUET
>> > <jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Another thing, seems now the {{code}} macro puts everything on one
line
>> ...
>> >> (at least, for unauthentified user).
>> >> Same page:
>> >>
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication
>> >>
>> >> BR,
>> >> Jeremie
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2013/11/18 Marius Dumitru Florea <mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com>
>> >>
>> >>> Someone else complained to me about this rights issue too and I
>> couldn't
>> >>> reproduce with my user because I have special rights.
>> >>> On Nov 15, 2013 5:18 PM, "Jeremie BOUSQUET" <
>> jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > Hello,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Maybe it's not finished yet or I missed something, but if I
browse
>> this
>> >>> > page:
>> >>> >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication
>> >>> >
>> >>> > If I'm not authentified, I can see the page.
>> >>> > If I log in (in order to edit the page), I can't even see
the
page
>> ("You
>> >>> > are not allowed to view this document or perform this action
...").
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > 2013/11/15 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > > Hi,
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Vincent Massol <
>> vincent(a)massol.net>
>> >>> > > wrote:
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <
>> >>> > > > valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > > Hi,
>> >>> > > > >
>> >>> > > > > I've finished moving the content from
>> >>> > > > >
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and
>> >>> > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements,
Standards,
Tech,
>> >>> Mockups
>> >>> > > > > spaces) to the new wiki
>> >>> > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > Woohoo :) Nice progress from before, well done!
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > Some quick comments:
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > * Is it possible to remove the centered thing and do
the
same as
>> on
>> >>> > other
>> >>> > > > subwikis of xwiki.org? (consistency!)
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > The proposal pages are full width just like the other
pages on
>> >>> xwiki.org
>> >>> > .
>> >>> > > The only centered page is design:Main.WebHome which is
consistent
>> with
>> >>> > > xwiki:Main.WebHome. I won't change that.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > > * It's a real pity that you seem to have lost the
history and
>> thus
>> >>> > > creation
>> >>> > > > date/author and last modified date/author since
ideally the
LT
>> should
>> >>> > be
>> >>> > > > filtered by latest proposal first (as for the
Extensions of
>> e.x.o).
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Just like on e.x.o the livetable is filtered after
'Last
modified'.
>> >>> Pages
>> >>> > > on design.xwiki.org have suffered modifications (objects
added,
>> etc.)
>> >>> so
>> >>> > > it's normal that they are modified in the past week.
>> >>> > > I haven't lost the history (except for 4 pages). All
the other
have
>> >>> been
>> >>> > > imported with history, but when you look at them you see
they
were
>> >>> > created
>> >>> > > by me because that's how we handle import and copy
(see
>> >>> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-925)
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > > * I think you've been a bit overzeleaous in
changing states
of
>> >>> > > proposals...
>> >>> > > > going to try to fix some. At least that's a good
way to reset
>> >>> > everything
>> >>> > > :)
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > I used scripts: copied the state from old dev:Design
space,
added
>> >>> > >
'completed' state for the incubator pages. I've updated some
>> statuses
>> >>> for
>> >>> > > some of them, yes.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > > * "Active" vs "Dormant" is too
hard IMO. What's the
criteria? For
>> >>> > example
>> >>> > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/APM
Nobody is
>> working
>> >>> > > > actively but it's something I believe we need and
it's still
>> valid.
>> >>> > What
>> >>> > > > about
>> >>> >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeI'm
>> >>> > > > working on
it, once every 4 months. I think these 2 states
are
>> too
>> >>> hard
>> >>> > > to
>> >>> > > > maintain because nobody is going to move them from
Active to
>> Dormant.
>> >>> > I'd
>> >>> > > > suggest we replace both "Active" and
"Dormant" by "Open"
because
>> I
>> >>> > don't
>> >>> > > > think we need to separate them. "Open"
should list all
designs
>> about
>> >>> > > things
>> >>> > > > that we wish to do. Those that we don't want to
do should be
in
>> >>> > >
"Dropped".
>> >>> > > > WDYT?
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > I have a list with like 5 variants of states we could have
for
this
>> >>> app.
>> >>> > If
>> >>> > > you really want to have this discussion about the naming
we
could,
>> but
>> >>> > the
>> >>> > > current variant is: 'Idea', 'Active',
'Dormant', 'Completed',
>> >>> 'Dropped'.
>> >>> > > Because we had the discussion about the Status of the
project
at
>> the
>> >>> > > seminar and that is not visible what is on going and what
we
might
>> want
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > > achieve, I've added the 2 states. If we are going to
add (Not
>> planned)
>> >>> > also
>> >>> > > a 'Target' column to specify the version we want
to release
that
>> >>> feature,
>> >>> > > having an 'Active' state is important since it
shows the
features
>> we
>> >>> are
>> >>> > > really working on.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > We could have like a job that listens if a page was not
modified
>> for a
>> >>> > > certain period of time and change the status from
'Active' to
>> 'Dormant'
>> >>> > > (Not planned).
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > As mentioned in my early mail I don't really know the
status of
>> others'
>> >>> > > proposals so that's why I asked of you if you could
update
them in
>> >>> order
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > > be accurate.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > > * Is
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>>
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/CAPTCHAIntegration#Historyrea…
>> >>> > > >
"Dropped"? Shouldn't it be "Completed"?
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > I haven't changed the Status of this proposal, so this
is how
it
>> must
>> >>> > have
>> >>> > > been put by Jerome on devs wiki. Actually the devs status
was
>> 'Dead'
>> >>> > which
>> >>> > > in the new application is marked as 'Dropped'.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > > * I don't understand how you categorize designs
and how you
link
>> them
>> >>> > > > together, for ex:
>> >>> > > >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/SearchLucene
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > The proposals are linked together by using the
parent/child
>> >>> relationship.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > > * I don't really understand why you consider
"Design" to be
>> about UI
>> >>> > > > only... For ex
>> >>> > > >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeis
>> >>> > > purely
>> >>> > > > design and you categorized it as
"Feature".
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > For me what is related to visual aspects is
'Design', what is
>> related
>> >>> to
>> >>> > > code is 'Implementation'. We could discuss and add
more states
but
>> I've
>> >>> > > tried to pick the easiest ones.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I agree with Vincent, in practice the page about Mail archive I
work
>> on
>> >>> > (listed above) describes both UI and Code of the app. By the
way
it
>> >>> > contradicts the name of
the whole subwiki ("design.xwiki.org"),
>> >>> > considering
>> >>> > the scope of this subwiki is not limited to proposals on
visual
>> aspects,
>> >>> so
>> >>> > it should not be the same term IMO for the whole subwiki and
for
this
>> >>> > category Design (vs
Implementation), or then you should call the
>> subwiki
>> >>> "
>> >>> > design-and-implementation.xwiki.org" :) . Design vs
Implementation
>> makes
>> >>> > me
>> >>> > think of Architecture vs Code but maybe it's a
developer-centric
>> view :)
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > > 'Feature' is used for 'parent' categories
and for proposals
that
>> don't
>> >>> > > belong to any other category (you could create a special
page
to
>> be set
>> >>> > as
>> >>> > > parent or use the current as feature).
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > > I also don't understand what
>> >>> > > > "Feature'" means. And why a proposal of
"Design" cannot
include
>> >>> > > >
requirements?
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > This was a limitation of the application (I was displaying
related
>> >>> pages
>> >>> > > livetable just for Feature proposal), now is fixed. If a
page
have
>> >>> > children
>> >>> > > it will display them.
>> >>> > > Again if you find something that is misplaced please help
me
fix
>> it.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Thanks,
>> >>> > > Caty
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Or is it just the "latest" stage it's in but
that doesn't
>> >>> > > > mean much in agile dev since the design and code work
together
>> and
>> >>> are
>> >>> > > > cycling in small iterations... :)
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > Thanks!
>> >>> > > > -Vincent
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > >
>> >>> > > > >
>> >>> > > > > Since I've been using scripts, the
Participants and Status
>> might
>> >>> not
>> >>> > be
>> >>> > > > > accurate since I marked most of them as
Completed. Feel
free to
>> >>> mark
>> >>> > > your
>> >>> > > > > proposal accordingly and maybe even change the
parent
>> hierarchy if
>> >>> > you
>> >>> > > > find
>> >>> > > > > your proposal in the wrong place.
>> >>> > > > >
>> >>> > > > > Thanks,
>> >>> > > > > Caty
>> >>> > > > >
>> >>> > > > >
>> >>> > > > >
>> >>> > > > > On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Thomas Mortagne
>> >>> > > > > <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
>> >>> > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ecaterina
Moraru (Valica)
>> >>> > > > > > <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> > > > > > > Hi,
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > *Short version* for voting:
>> >>> > > > > > > *A*. Creation of a new wiki on
xwiki.org farm that
will
>> hold
>> >>> > > > > development
>> >>> > > > > > > process details about a specific
feature. This wiki
will
>> >>> > deprecate
>> >>> > > > > > > dev.xwiki.org:Design and
incubator.myxwiki.org
>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > +1
>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > *B*. Vote on naming alternatives for
this new wiki:
>> >>> > > > > > > design.xwiki.org
>> >>> > > > > > > incubator.xwiki.org
>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > +1 for design.xwiki.org
>> >>> > > > > > -0 for incubator.xwiki.org,
"incubator" means
>> implementations
>> >>> > > waiting
>> >>> > > > > > to be approved in some mainstream
repository for me not
>> design
>> >>> and
>> >>> > > > > > architecture. It would make more sense used
as the name
of a
>> >>> github
>> >>> > > > > > repository/organization associated to this
wiki for
example.
>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > *C*. UI on how a Proposal will be
displayed in this new
>> wiki
>> >>> > > (example
>> >>> > > > > > > AppWithinMinutes):
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > >
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > Looks very nice. Same as Denis, it's
very important that
>> it's as
>> >>> > easy
>> >>> > > > > > as possible to use and not a constraint in
order to
actually
>> be
>> >>> > used.
>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > >
------------------------------------------------
>> >>> > > > > > > *Long version: *
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > Right now development process
activities are located in
>> >>> multiple
>> >>> > > > > places:
>> >>> > > > > > > - Analysis + Architecture:
>> >>> > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/
>> >>> > > > > > > - Analysis + User Interface:
>> >>> > > > > > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/
>> >>> > > > > >
> - Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/,
http://jira.xwiki.org
>> ,
>> >>> > chats,
>> >>> > > > git
>> >>> > > > > > > comments, etc.
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > This process can be hard to optimize
and information is
>> hard to
>> >>> > > track
>> >>> > > > > if
>> >>> > > > > > > you are looking for specific
information.
>> >>> > > > > > > And the worst part of it is that is
hard to automatize
and
>> lots
>> >>> > of
>> >>> > > > the
>> >>> > > > > > > items need manual gathering or
search.
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > *Part A. *
>> >>> > > > > > > This mail is about combining
>> >>> > > > > >
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and
>> >>> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in
a single place.
>> >>> > > > > > > This has already been discussed
several times before (
>> >>> > > > > > >
http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s and
>> >>> > > > > > >
http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl)
and the
>> >>> vote
>> >>> > > was
>> >>> > > > > > > favorable in this direction.
>> >>> > > > > > > The proposal was to create a new wiki
called
>> >>> design.xwiki.orgthat
>> >>> > > > > will
>> >>> > > > > > > contain the combined information and
that will target
>> >>> developers.
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > The new wiki will be used to gather
only proposal's
>> development
>> >>> > > > process
>> >>> > > > > > > information: requirements,
architecture, solutions
>> >>> alternatives,
>> >>> > > user
>> >>> > > > > > > interface variants, planning, etc. for
a specific
>> >>> > > > > > feature/idea/improvement.
>> >>> > > > > > > After the proposal is implemented it
will be properly
>> >>> documented
>> >>> > in
>> >>> > > > the
>> >>> > > > > > > right location for users (ex
platform.xwiki.org).
>> >>> > > > > > > It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code
on this wiki in
>> order to
>> >>> > > > > > demonstrate
>> >>> > > > > > > the functionality of the proposals,
but we should not
add
>> >>> > > > > >
> experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars,
etc.).
>> For
>> >>> > this
>> >>> > > > case
>> >>> > > > > > it
>> >>> > > > > > > is advisable to use a test machine,
share your own
>> instance or
>> >>> > use
>> >>> > > > the
>> >>> > > > > > > contrib.xwiki.org repository for
hosting.
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > The version upgrades will be handle by
a community
admin
>> and
>> >>> the
>> >>> > > wiki
>> >>> > > > > > > gardening by me.
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > The data from incubator.myxwiki.org
and dev.xwiki.org:
>> Design
>> >>> > will
>> >>> > > be
>> >>> > > > > > moved
>> >>> > > > > > > gradually after the new wiki is
created.
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > *Part B. *
>> >>> > > > > > > You should state your opinion
regarding which name is
>> better
>> >>> for
>> >>> > > the
>> >>> > > > > new
>> >>> > > > > > > wiki:
>> >>> > > > > > > - design.xwiki.org
>> >>> > > > > > > - incubator.xwiki.org
>> >>> > > > > > > - we accept other proposals.
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > *Part C.*
>> >>> > > > > > > I've made a proposal on how a
proposal page would look
>> like:
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > >
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
>> >>> > > > > >
>
>> >>> > > > > > > The proposal page will gather all the
information
related
>> to
>> >>> it,
>> >>> > > > making
>> >>> > > > > > it
>> >>> > > > > > > easier to track it's progress.
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > The entries will be separated
depending on 4
categories:
>> >>> > Analysis,
>> >>> > > > > > > Architecture, User Interface and
Implementation, each
>> category
>> >>> > > having
>> >>> > > > > > it's
>> >>> > > > > > > own status, participants, jiras and
timeframe.
>> >>> > > > > > > Categories are not mandatory for all
proposals, smaller
>> >>> proposals
>> >>> > > > will
>> >>> > > > > > have
>> >>> > > > > > > just the related pages for certain
areas.
>> >>> > > > > > > Each proposal will store it's data
in a dedicated
space.
>> >>> > > > > >
>
>> >>> > > > > > > The implementation of the proposal
will be handled by
me.
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Let me know what you think.
>>> > > > > > > Thanks,
>>> > > > > > > Caty
>>> > > > > > >
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I think now it's fixed: the {{code}} and edit right problems.
Thanks Jeremie for reporting,
Caty
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Jeremie BOUSQUET <
jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com> wrote:
It's **almost** ok, now I can view the page when
logged in, but I still
don't have edit rights ... ;)
2013/11/18 Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
on
and
other
is
to
be
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/CAPTCHAIntegration#Historyrea…
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/SearchLucene
states
developer-centric
Status
(Valica)
new
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
in
is
in
dev.xwiki.org:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
smaller
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Ok this time it's really ok...
There was not existing groups with rights set to them on that wiki.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
<
I had forgotten one, should be ok now.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Jeremie BOUSQUET
<jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Same issue here ...
>
>
> 2013/11/18 Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
>
>> I configured the design wiki rights like others sub wikis rights.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Thomas Mortagne
>> <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>> > Sounds like "code" css class is broken in that skin (this class
is
>> > supposed to follow newlines and white spaces like <pre>).
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Jeremie BOUSQUET
>> > <jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Another thing, seems now the {{code}} macro puts everything on one
line
>> ...
>> >> (at least, for unauthentified user).
>> >> Same page:
>> >>
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication
>> >>
>> >> BR,
>> >> Jeremie
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2013/11/18 Marius Dumitru Florea <mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com>
>> >>
>> >>> Someone else complained to me about this rights issue too and I
>> couldn't
>> >>> reproduce with my user because I have special rights.
>> >>> On Nov 15, 2013 5:18 PM, "Jeremie BOUSQUET" <
>> jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > Hello,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Maybe it's not finished yet or I missed something, but if I
browse
>> this
>> >>> > page:
>> >>> >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication
>> >>> >
>> >>> > If I'm not authentified, I can see the page.
>> >>> > If I log in (in order to edit the page), I can't even see
the
page
>> ("You
>> >>> > are not allowed to view this document or perform this action
...").
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 2013/11/15 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com>
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > > Hi,
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Vincent Massol <
>>> vincent(a)massol.net>
>>> >>> > > wrote:
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ecaterina
Moraru (Valica) >>
>>> > > > valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > > Hi,
>> >>> > > > >
>> >>> > > > > I've finished moving the content from
>> >>> > > > >
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and
>> >>> > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements,
Standards,
Tech,
>> >>> Mockups
>> >>> > > > > spaces) to the new wiki
>> >>> > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > Woohoo :) Nice progress from before, well done!
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > Some quick comments:
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > * Is it possible to remove the centered thing and do
the
same as
>>> on
>>> >>> > other
>>> >>> > > > subwikis of xwiki.org? (consistency!)
>>> >>> > > >
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > The proposal pages are full width just like the other
pages >>
>>> xwiki.org
>> >>> > .
>> >>> > > The only centered page is design:Main.WebHome which is
consistent
>>> with
>>> >>> > > xwiki:Main.WebHome. I won't change that.
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > > * It's a real pity that you seem to have
lost the history >>
thus
>> >>> > > creation
>> >>> > > > date/author and last modified date/author since
ideally the
LT
>> should
>> >>> > be
>> >>> > > > filtered by latest proposal first (as for the
Extensions of
>> e.x.o).
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Just like on e.x.o the livetable is filtered after
'Last
modified'.
>> >>> Pages
>> >>> > > on design.xwiki.org have suffered modifications (objects
added,
>>> etc.)
>>> >>> so
>>> >>> > > it's normal that they are modified in the past
week.
>>> >>> > > I haven't lost the history (except for 4 pages).
All the have
reset
>> >>> been
>> >>> > > imported with history, but when you look at them you see
they
were
>> >>> > created
>> >>> > > by me because that's how we handle import and copy
(see
>> >>> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-925)
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > > * I think you've been a bit overzeleaous in
changing states
of
>>> >>> > > proposals...
>>> >>> > > > going to try to fix some. At least that's a
good way to >>
>>> > everything
>> >>> > > :)
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > I used scripts: copied the state from old dev:Design
space,
added
>> >>> > >
'completed' state for the incubator pages. I've updated some
>> statuses
>> >>> for
>> >>> > > some of them, yes.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > > * "Active" vs "Dormant" is too
hard IMO. What's the
criteria? For
>>> >>> > example
>>> >>> > > >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/APM Nobody >>> working
>>> >>> > > > actively but it's something I believe we
need and it's
still
>>
valid.
>> >>> > What
>> >>> > > > about
>> >>> >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeI'm
>> >>> > > > working on
it, once every 4 months. I think these 2 states
are
>>> too
>>> >>> hard
>>> >>> > > to
>>> >>> > > > maintain because nobody is going to move them
from Active >>
Dormant.
>> >>> > I'd
>> >>> > > > suggest we replace both "Active" and
"Dormant" by "Open"
because
>> I
>> >>> > don't
>> >>> > > > think we need to separate them. "Open"
should list all
designs
>>> about
>>> >>> > > things
>>> >>> > > > that we wish to do. Those that we don't want
to do should in
>>> >>> > > "Dropped".
>>> >>> > > > WDYT?
>>> >>> > > >
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > I have a list with like 5 variants of states we could
have
for
this
of
>> >>> app.
>> >>> > If
>> >>> > > you really want to have this discussion about the naming
we
could,
>> but
>> >>> > the
>> >>> > > current variant is: 'Idea', 'Active',
'Dormant', 'Completed',
>> >>> 'Dropped'.
>> >>> > > Because we had the discussion about the Status of the
project
at
>> the
>> >>> > > seminar and that is not visible what is on going and what
we
might
>> want
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > > achieve, I've added the 2 states. If we are going to
add (Not
>> planned)
>> >>> > also
>> >>> > > a 'Target' column to specify the version we want
to release
that
>> >>> feature,
>> >>> > > having an 'Active' state is important since it
shows the
features
>> we
>> >>> are
>> >>> > > really working on.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > We could have like a job that listens if a page was not
modified
>>> for a
>>> >>> > > certain period of time and change the status from
'Active' to
>>> 'Dormant'
>>> >>> > > (Not planned).
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > As mentioned in my early mail I don't really know
the status >>
others'
>> >>> > > proposals so that's why I asked of you if you could
update
them in
>> >>> order
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > > be accurate.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > > * Is
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>>
>>
>>> > > > "Dropped"? Shouldn't it be
"Completed"?
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > I haven't changed the Status of this proposal, so this
is how
it
>> must
>> >>> > have
>> >>> > > been put by Jerome on devs wiki. Actually the devs status
was
>> 'Dead'
>> >>> > which
>> >>> > > in the new application is marked as 'Dropped'.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > > * I don't understand how you categorize designs
and how you
link
>>> them
>>> >>> > > > together, for ex:
>>> >>> > > > >>
>>> > > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > The proposals are linked together by using the
parent/child
>> >>> relationship.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > > * I don't really understand why you consider
"Design" to be
>> about UI
>> >>> > > > only... For ex
>> >>> > > >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeis
>>> >>> > > purely
>>> >>> > > > design and you categorized it as
"Feature".
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > For me what is related to visual aspects is
'Design', what is
>>> related
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> > > code is 'Implementation'. We could discuss
and add more but
way
>> I've
>> >>> > > tried to pick the easiest ones.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I agree with Vincent, in practice the page about Mail archive I
work
>>> on
>>> >>> > (listed above) describes both UI and Code of the app. By
the it
>>> >>> > contradicts the name of the whole subwiki
("design.xwiki.org
"),
>>> >>> > considering
>>> >>> > the scope of this subwiki is not limited to proposals on
visual
>>> aspects,
>>> >>> so
>>> >>> > it should not be the same term IMO for the whole subwiki
and
for
this
>>> >>> > category Design (vs Implementation), or then you should
call
the
>>
subwiki
>> >>> "
>> >>> > design-and-implementation.xwiki.org" :) . Design vs
Implementation
>>> makes
>>> >>> > me
>>> >>> > think of Architecture vs Code but maybe it's a >>
view :)
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > > 'Feature' is used for 'parent' categories
and for proposals
that
>> don't
>> >>> > > belong to any other category (you could create a special
page
to
>> be set
>> >>> > as
>> >>> > > parent or use the current as feature).
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > > I also don't understand what
>> >>> > > > "Feature'" means. And why a proposal of
"Design" cannot
include
>> >>> > > >
requirements?
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > This was a limitation of the application (I was displaying
related
>> >>> pages
>> >>> > > livetable just for Feature proposal), now is fixed. If a
page
have
>> >>> > children
>> >>> > > it will display them.
>> >>> > > Again if you find something that is misplaced please help
me
fix
>> it.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Thanks,
>> >>> > > Caty
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Or is it just the "latest" stage it's in but
that doesn't
>> >>> > > > mean much in agile dev since the design and code work
together
>>> and
>>> >>> are
>>> >>> > > > cycling in small iterations... :)
>>> >>> > > >
>>> >>> > > > Thanks!
>>> >>> > > > -Vincent
>>> >>> > > >
>>> >>> > > >
>>> >>> > > > >
>>> >>> > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > Since I've been using scripts, the
Participants and >>
might
>> >>> not
>> >>> > be
>> >>> > > > > accurate since I marked most of them as
Completed. Feel
free to
>>> >>> mark
>>> >>> > > your
>>> >>> > > > > proposal accordingly and maybe even change
the parent
>>> hierarchy if
>>> >>> > you
>>> >>> > > > find
>>> >>> > > > > your proposal in the wrong place.
>>> >>> > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > Thanks,
>>> >>> > > > > Caty
>>> >>> > > > >
>>> >>> > > > >
>>> >>> > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Thomas
Mortagne
>>> >>> > > > > <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
>>> >>> > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM,
Ecaterina Moraru >>
>>> > > > > > <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> > > > > > > Hi,
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > *Short version* for voting:
>> >>> > > > > > > *A*. Creation of a new wiki on
xwiki.org farm that
will
>> hold
>> >>> > > > > development
>> >>> > > > > > > process details about a specific
feature. This wiki
will
>> >>> > deprecate
>> >>> > > > > > > dev.xwiki.org:Design and
incubator.myxwiki.org
>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > +1
>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > *B*. Vote on naming alternatives for
this new wiki:
>> >>> > > > > > > design.xwiki.org
>> >>> > > > > > > incubator.xwiki.org
>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > +1 for design.xwiki.org
>> >>> > > > > > -0 for incubator.xwiki.org,
"incubator" means
>> implementations
>> >>> > > waiting
>> >>> > > > > > to be approved in some mainstream
repository for me not
>> design
>> >>> and
>> >>> > > > > > architecture. It would make more sense used
as the name
of a
>> >>> github
>> >>> > > > > > repository/organization associated to this
wiki for
example.
>>> >>> > > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > > > *C*. UI on how a Proposal will be
displayed in this >>
wiki
>> >>> > > (example
>> >>> > > > > > > AppWithinMinutes):
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > >
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>>
>>> >>> > > > >
>
>>> >>> > > > > > Looks very nice. Same as Denis,
it's very important
that
>>
it's as
>> >>> > easy
>> >>> > > > > > as possible to use and not a constraint in
order to
actually
>>> be
>>> >>> > used.
>>> >>> > > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > > >
------------------------------------------------
>>> >>> > > > > > > *Long version: *
>>> >>> > > > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > > > Right now development process
activities are located >>
>>> multiple
>> >>> > > > > places:
>> >>> > > > > > > - Analysis + Architecture:
>> >>> > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/
>> >>> > > > > > > - Analysis + User Interface:
>> >>> > > > > > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/
>> >>> > > > > >
> - Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/,
http://jira.xwiki.org
>>> ,
>>> >>> > chats,
>>> >>> > > > git
>>> >>> > > > > > > comments, etc.
>>> >>> > > > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > > > This process can be hard to
optimize and information >>> hard to
>>> >>> > > track
>>> >>> > > > > if
>>> >>> > > > > > > you are looking for specific
information.
>>> >>> > > > > > > And the worst part of it is that
is hard to
automatize
and
>>> lots
>>> >>> > of
>>> >>> > > > the
>>> >>> > > > > > > items need manual gathering or
search.
>>> >>> > > > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > > > *Part A. *
>>> >>> > > > > > > This mail is about combining
>>> >>> > > > > >
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and
>>> >>> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/
work in a single
place.
>>> >>> > > > >
> > This has already been discussed several times before
(
>>
>>> > > > > > >
http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6sand
>> >>> > > > > > >
http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl)
and the
>>> >>> vote
>>> >>> > > was
>>> >>> > > > > > > favorable in this direction.
>>> >>> > > > > > > The proposal was to create a new
wiki called
>>> >>> design.xwiki.orgthat
>>> >>> > > > > will
>>> >>> > > > > > > contain the combined information
and that will target
>>> >>> developers.
>>> >>> > > > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > > > The new wiki will be used to
gather only proposal's
>>> development
>>> >>> > > > process
>>> >>> > > > > > > information: requirements,
architecture, solutions
>>> >>> alternatives,
>>> >>> > > user
>>> >>> > > > > > > interface variants, planning,
etc. for a specific
>>> >>> > > > > > feature/idea/improvement.
>>> >>> > > > > > > After the proposal is implemented
it will be properly
>>> >>> documented
>>> >>> > in
>>> >>> > > > the
>>> >>> > > > > > > right location for users (ex
platform.xwiki.org).
>>> >>> > > > > > > It is acceptable to have CSS + JS
code on this wiki >>
order to
>> >>> > > > > > demonstrate
>> >>> > > > > > > the functionality of the proposals,
but we should not
add
>> >>> > > > > >
> experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars,
etc.).
>> For
>> >>> > this
>> >>> > > > case
>> >>> > > > > > it
>> >>> > > > > > > is advisable to use a test machine,
share your own
>> instance or
>> >>> > use
>> >>> > > > the
>> >>> > > > > > > contrib.xwiki.org repository for
hosting.
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > The version upgrades will be handle by
a community
admin
>>> and
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> > > wiki
>>> >>> > > > > > > gardening by me.
>>> >>> > > > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > > > The data from
incubator.myxwiki.org and >>> Design
>>> >>> > will
>>> >>> > > be
>>> >>> > > > > > moved
>>> >>> > > > > > > gradually after the new wiki is
created.
>>> >>> > > > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > > > *Part B. *
>>> >>> > > > > > > You should state your opinion
regarding which name is
>>> better
>>> >>> for
>>> >>> > > the
>>> >>> > > > > new
>>> >>> > > > > > > wiki:
>>> >>> > > > > > > - design.xwiki.org
>>> >>> > > > > > > - incubator.xwiki.org
>>> >>> > > > > > > - we accept other proposals.
>>> >>> > > > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > > > *Part C.*
>>> >>> > > > > > > I've made a proposal on how a
proposal page would
look
>>
like:
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > >
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>>
>>
>>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > The proposal page will gather all the
information
related
>> to
>> >>> it,
>> >>> > > > making
>> >>> > > > > > it
>> >>> > > > > > > easier to track it's progress.
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > The entries will be separated
depending on 4
categories:
>>> >>> > Analysis,
>>> >>> > > > > > > Architecture, User Interface and
Implementation, each
>>> category
>>> >>> > > having
>>> >>> > > > > > it's
>>> >>> > > > > > > own status, participants, jiras
and timeframe.
>>> >>> > > > > > > Categories are not mandatory for
all proposals, >>
>>> proposals
>> >>> > > > will
>> >>> > > > > > have
>> >>> > > > > > > just the related pages for certain
areas.
>> >>> > > > > > > Each proposal will store it's data
in a dedicated
space.
>> >>> > > > > >
>
>> >>> > > > > > > The implementation of the proposal
will be handled by
me.
>
>>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > Let me know what you think.
> >>> > > > > > > Thanks,
> >>> > > > > > > Caty
> >>> > > > > > >
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> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > >
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8:22 p.m.
Yes it's ok now, thanks ! :)
Le 18 nov. 2013 15:23, "Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)" <valicac(a)gmail.com> a
écrit :
I think now it's fixed: the {{code}} and edit
right problems.
Thanks Jeremie for reporting,
Caty
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Jeremie BOUSQUET <
jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com> wrote:
other
> have
> >>> >>> been
> >>> >>> > > imported with history, but when you look at them
you see they
some
is
states
be
'Completed',
be
archive I
visual
developer-centric
> >>> view :)
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> > > 'Feature' is used for 'parent'
categories and for proposals
> that
> >>> don't
> >>> >>> > > belong to any other category (you could create a
special page
(Valica)
> >>> >>> > > > > > <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >>> > > > > > > Hi,
> >>> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> >>> > > > > > > *Short version* for voting:
> >>> >>> > > > > > > *A*. Creation of a new wiki
on xwiki.org farm that
> will
> >>> hold
> >>> >>> > > > > development
> >>> >>> > > > > > > process details about a
specific feature. This wiki
> will
> >>> >>> > deprecate
> >>> >>> > > > > > > dev.xwiki.org:Design and
incubator.myxwiki.org
> >>> >>> > > > > >
> >>> >>> > > > > > +1
> >>> >>> > > > > >
> >>> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> >>> > > > > > > *B*. Vote on naming
alternatives for this new wiki:
> >>> >>> > > > > > > design.xwiki.org
> >>> >>> > > > > > > incubator.xwiki.org
> >>> >>> > > > > >
> >>> >>> > > > > > +1 for design.xwiki.org
> >>> >>> > > > > > -0 for incubator.xwiki.org,
"incubator" means
> >>> implementations
> >>> >>> > > waiting
> >>> >>> > > > > > to be approved in some mainstream
repository for me not
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
located
not
is
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
by
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It's **almost** ok, now I can view the page
when logged in, but I still
don't have edit rights ... ;)
2013/11/18 Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
> Ok this time it's really ok...
>
> There was not existing groups with rights set to them on that wiki.
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Thomas Mortagne
> <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> > I had forgotten one, should be ok now.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Jeremie BOUSQUET
> > <jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Same issue here ...
> >>
> >>
> >> 2013/11/18 Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
> >>
> >>> I configured the design wiki rights like others sub wikis rights.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Thomas Mortagne
> >>> <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> >>> > Sounds like "code" css class is broken in that skin
(this class
is
> >>> > supposed to follow
newlines and white spaces like <pre>).
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Jeremie BOUSQUET
> >>> > <jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> Another thing, seems now the {{code}} macro puts everything on
one
> line
> >>> ...
> >>> >> (at least, for unauthentified user).
> >>> >> Same page:
> >>> >>
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication
> >>> >>
> >>> >> BR,
> >>> >> Jeremie
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> 2013/11/18 Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> Someone else complained to me about this rights issue too
and I
> >>> couldn't
> >>> >>> reproduce with my user because I have special rights.
> >>> >>> On Nov 15, 2013 5:18 PM, "Jeremie BOUSQUET"
<
> >>> jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com>
> >>> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> > Hello,
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> > Maybe it's not finished yet or I missed
something, but if I
> browse
> >>> this
> >>> >>> > page:
> >>> >>> >
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> > If I'm not authentified, I can see the page.
> >>> >>> > If I log in (in order to edit the page), I can't
even see the
> page
> >>> ("You
> >>> >>> > are not allowed to view this document or perform this
action
> ...").
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> > 2013/11/15 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com>
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> > > Hi,
> >>> >>> > >
> >>> >>> > >
> >>> >>> > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Vincent Massol
<
> >>> vincent(a)massol.net>
> >>> >>> > > wrote:
> >>> >>> > >
> >>> >>> > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ecaterina
Moraru
(Valica)
<
on
and
> >>> thus
> >>> >>> > > creation
> >>> >>> > > > date/author and last modified date/author
since ideally
the
>>
>>> > > > valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > > Hi,
>> >>> > > > >
>> >>> > > > > I've finished moving the content from
>> >>> > > > >
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and
>> >>> > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements,
Standards,
Tech,
>> >>> Mockups
>> >>> > > > > spaces) to the new wiki
>> >>> > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > Woohoo :) Nice progress from before, well done!
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > Some quick comments:
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > * Is it possible to remove the centered thing and do
the
same as
>>> on
>>> >>> > other
>>> >>> > > > subwikis of xwiki.org? (consistency!)
>>> >>> > > >
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > The proposal pages are full width just like the other
pages >>
>>> xwiki.org
>> >>> > .
>> >>> > > The only centered page is design:Main.WebHome which is
consistent
>>> with
>>> >>> > > xwiki:Main.WebHome. I won't change that.
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > > * It's a real pity that you seem to have
lost the history > LT
> >>> should
> >>> >>> > be
> >>> >>> > > > filtered by latest proposal first (as for
the Extensions
of
>> e.x.o).
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Just like on e.x.o the livetable is filtered after
'Last
modified'.
>> >>> Pages
>> >>> > > on design.xwiki.org have suffered modifications (objects
added,
>>> etc.)
>>> >>> so
>>> >>> > > it's normal that they are modified in the past
week.
>>> >>> > > I haven't lost the history (except for 4 pages).
All the > were
> >>> >>> > created
> >>> >>> > > by me because that's how we handle import
and copy (see
> >>> >>> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-925)
> >>> >>> > >
> >>> >>> > >
> >>> >>> > > > * I think you've been a bit
overzeleaous in changing
states
of
>>> >>> > > proposals...
>>> >>> > > > going to try to fix some. At least that's a
good way to
reset
> >>> >>> > everything
> >>> >>> > > :)
> >>> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> > >
> >>> >>> > > I used scripts: copied the state from old
dev:Design space,
> added
> >>> >>> > > 'completed' state for the incubator
pages. I've updated >> statuses
>> >>> for
>> >>> > > some of them, yes.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > > * "Active" vs "Dormant" is too
hard IMO. What's the
criteria? For
>>> >>> > example
>>> >>> > > >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/APM Nobody >>> working
>>> >>> > > > actively but it's something I believe we
need and it's
still
> >>> valid.
> >>> >>> > What
> >>> >>> > > > about
> >>> >>> >
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeI'm
> >>> >>> > > > working on it, once every 4 months. I think
these 2 are
>>> too
>>> >>> hard
>>> >>> > > to
>>> >>> > > > maintain because nobody is going to move them
from Active
to
>>
Dormant.
>> >>> > I'd
>> >>> > > > suggest we replace both "Active" and
"Dormant" by "Open"
because
>> I
>> >>> > don't
>> >>> > > > think we need to separate them. "Open"
should list all
designs
>>> about
>>> >>> > > things
>>> >>> > > > that we wish to do. Those that we don't want
to do should in
>>> >>> > > "Dropped".
>>> >>> > > > WDYT?
>>> >>> > > >
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > I have a list with like 5 variants of states we could
have
for
> this
> >>> >>> app.
> >>> >>> > If
> >>> >>> > > you really want to have this discussion about
the naming we
> could,
> >>> but
> >>> >>> > the
> >>> >>> > > current variant is: 'Idea',
'Active', 'Dormant', > >>> >>>
'Dropped'.
> >>> >>> > > Because we had the discussion about the Status
of the
project
> at
> >>> the
> >>> >>> > > seminar and that is not visible what is on going
and what
we
> might
> >>> want
> >>> >>> > to
> >>> >>> > > achieve, I've added the 2 states. If we are
going to add
(Not
> >>> planned)
> >>> >>> > also
> >>> >>> > > a 'Target' column to specify the version
we want to release
> that
> >>> >>> feature,
> >>> >>> > > having an 'Active' state is important
since it shows the
> features
> >>> we
> >>> >>> are
> >>> >>> > > really working on.
> >>> >>> > >
> >>> >>> > > We could have like a job that listens if a page
was not
> modified
> >>> for a
> >>> >>> > > certain period of time and change the status
from 'Active'
to
> >>> 'Dormant'
> >>> >>> > > (Not planned).
> >>> >>> > >
> >>> >>> > > As mentioned in my early mail I don't really
know the
status
of
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/CAPTCHAIntegration#Historyrea…
>>
others'
>> >>> > > proposals so that's why I asked of you if you could
update
them in
>> >>> order
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > > be accurate.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > > * Is
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>>
> >>> >>> > > >
"Dropped"? Shouldn't it be "Completed"?
> >>> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> > >
> >>> >>> > > I haven't changed the Status of this
proposal, so this is
how
> it
> >>> must
> >>> >>> > have
> >>> >>> > > been put by Jerome on devs wiki. Actually the
devs status
was
> >>> 'Dead'
> >>> >>> > which
> >>> >>> > > in the new application is marked as
'Dropped'.
> >>> >>> > >
> >>> >>> > >
> >>> >>> > > > * I don't understand how you categorize
designs and how
you
link
>>> them
>>> >>> > > > together, for ex:
>>> >>> > > >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/SearchLucene
> >>> >>> > > >
> >>> >>> > >
> >>> >>> > > The proposals are linked together by using the
parent/child
> >>> >>> relationship.
> >>> >>> > >
> >>> >>> > >
> >>> >>> > > > * I don't really understand why you
consider "Design" to > >>> about UI
> >>> >>> > > > only... For ex
> >>> >>> > > >
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeis
> >>> >>> > > purely
> >>> >>> > > > design and you categorized it as
"Feature".
> >>> >>> > >
> >>> >>> > >
> >>> >>> > > For me what is related to visual aspects is
'Design', what
is
>>> related
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> > > code is 'Implementation'. We could discuss
and add more
states
> but
> >>> I've
> >>> >>> > > tried to pick the easiest ones.
> >>> >>> > >
> >>> >>> >
> >>> >>> > I agree with Vincent, in practice the page about Mail
work
>>> on
>>> >>> > (listed above) describes both UI and Code of the app. By
the
way
it
>>> >>> > contradicts the name of the whole subwiki
("design.xwiki.org
"),
> >>> >>> > considering
> >>> >>> > the scope of this subwiki is not limited to proposals
on
>>> aspects,
>>> >>> so
>>> >>> > it should not be the same term IMO for the whole subwiki
and
for
this
>>> >>> > category Design (vs Implementation), or then you should
call
the
>>
subwiki
>> >>> "
>> >>> > design-and-implementation.xwiki.org" :) . Design vs
Implementation
>>> makes
>>> >>> > me
>>> >>> > think of Architecture vs Code but maybe it's a > to
> >>> be set
> >>> >>> > as
> >>> >>> > > parent or use the current as feature).
> >>> >>> > >
> >>> >>> > >
> >>> >>> > > > I also don't understand what
> >>> >>> > > > "Feature'" means. And why a
proposal of "Design" cannot
> include
> >>> >>> > > > requirements?
> >>> >>> > >
> >>> >>> > >
> >>> >>> > > This was a limitation of the application (I was
displaying
> related
> >>> >>> pages
> >>> >>> > > livetable just for Feature proposal), now is
fixed. If a
page
> have
> >>> >>> > children
> >>> >>> > > it will display them.
> >>> >>> > > Again if you find something that is misplaced
please help
me
fix
Status
>> it.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Thanks,
>> >>> > > Caty
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Or is it just the "latest" stage it's in but
that doesn't
>> >>> > > > mean much in agile dev since the design and code work
together
>>> and
>>> >>> are
>>> >>> > > > cycling in small iterations... :)
>>> >>> > > >
>>> >>> > > > Thanks!
>>> >>> > > > -Vincent
>>> >>> > > >
>>> >>> > > >
>>> >>> > > > >
>>> >>> > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > Since I've been using scripts, the
Participants and >>
might
>> >>> not
>> >>> > be
>> >>> > > > > accurate since I marked most of them as
Completed. Feel
free to
>>> >>> mark
>>> >>> > > your
>>> >>> > > > > proposal accordingly and maybe even change
the parent
>>> hierarchy if
>>> >>> > you
>>> >>> > > > find
>>> >>> > > > > your proposal in the wrong place.
>>> >>> > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > Thanks,
>>> >>> > > > > Caty
>>> >>> > > > >
>>> >>> > > > >
>>> >>> > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Thomas
Mortagne
>>> >>> > > > > <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
>>> >>> > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM,
Ecaterina Moraru > >>> design
> >>> >>> and
> >>> >>> > > > > > architecture. It would make more
sense used as the
name
of a
new
>> >>> github
>> >>> > > > > > repository/organization associated to this
wiki for
example.
>>> >>> > > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > > > *C*. UI on how a Proposal will be
displayed in this >>
wiki
>> >>> > > (example
>> >>> > > > > > > AppWithinMinutes):
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > >
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>>
>>> >>> > > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > > Looks very nice. Same as Denis,
it's very important
that
> >>> it's as
> >>> >>> > easy
> >>> >>> > > > > > as possible to use and not a
constraint in order to
> actually
> >>> be
> >>> >>> > used.
> >>> >>> > > > > >
> >>> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> >>> > > > > > >
------------------------------------------------
> >>> >>> > > > > > > *Long version: *
> >>> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> >>> > > > > > > Right now development
process activities are in
> >>> >>> multiple
> >>> >>> > > > > places:
> >>> >>> > > > > > > - Analysis + Architecture:
> >>> >>> > > >
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/
> >>> >>> > > > > > > - Analysis + User
Interface:
> >>> >>> > > > > > >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/
> >>> >>> > > > > > > - Other:
http://xwiki.markmail.org/,
> http://jira.xwiki.org
> >>> ,
> >>> >>> > chats,
> >>> >>> > > > git
> >>> >>> > > > > > > comments, etc.
> >>> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> >>> > > > > > > This process can be hard to
optimize and
information
is
before
>>> hard to
>>> >>> > > track
>>> >>> > > > > if
>>> >>> > > > > > > you are looking for specific
information.
>>> >>> > > > > > > And the worst part of it is that
is hard to
automatize
and
>>> lots
>>> >>> > of
>>> >>> > > > the
>>> >>> > > > > > > items need manual gathering or
search.
>>> >>> > > > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > > > *Part A. *
>>> >>> > > > > > > This mail is about combining
>>> >>> > > > > >
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and
>>> >>> > > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/
work in a single
place.
> >>> >>> > > > > > > This has already been
discussed several times (
> >>> >>> > > > > > >
http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6sand
> >>> >>> > > >
> > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl)
> and the
> >>> >>> vote
> >>> >>> > > was
> >>> >>> > > > > > > favorable in this
direction.
> >>> >>> > > > > > > The proposal was to create a
new wiki called
> >>> >>> design.xwiki.orgthat
> >>> >>> > > > > will
> >>> >>> > > > > > > contain the combined
information and that will
target
> >>> >>> developers.
> >>> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> >>> > > > > > > The new wiki will be used to
gather only proposal's
> >>> development
> >>> >>> > > > process
> >>> >>> > > > > > > information: requirements,
architecture, solutions
> >>> >>> alternatives,
> >>> >>> > > user
> >>> >>> > > > > > > interface variants,
planning, etc. for a specific
> >>> >>> > > > > > feature/idea/improvement.
> >>> >>> > > > > > > After the proposal is
implemented it will be
properly
>>> >>> documented
>>> >>> > in
>>> >>> > > > the
>>> >>> > > > > > > right location for users (ex
platform.xwiki.org).
>>> >>> > > > > > > It is acceptable to have CSS + JS
code on this wiki
in
> >>> order to
> >>> >>> > > > > > demonstrate
> >>> >>> > > > > > > the functionality of the
proposals, but we should add
dev.xwiki.org:
> >>> Design
> >>> >>> > will
> >>> >>> > > be
> >>> >>> > > > > > moved
> >>> >>> > > > > > > gradually after the new wiki
is created.
> >>> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> >>> > > > > > > *Part B. *
> >>> >>> > > > > > > You should state your
opinion regarding which name >> >>> > > > > >
> experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars,
etc.).
>> For
>> >>> > this
>> >>> > > > case
>> >>> > > > > > it
>> >>> > > > > > > is advisable to use a test machine,
share your own
>> instance or
>> >>> > use
>> >>> > > > the
>> >>> > > > > > > contrib.xwiki.org repository for
hosting.
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > The version upgrades will be handle by
a community
admin
>>> and
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> > > wiki
>>> >>> > > > > > > gardening by me.
>>> >>> > > > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > > > The data from
incubator.myxwiki.org and
>>> better
>>> >>> for
>>> >>> > > the
>>> >>> > > > > new
>>> >>> > > > > > > wiki:
>>> >>> > > > > > > - design.xwiki.org
>>> >>> > > > > > > - incubator.xwiki.org
>>> >>> > > > > > > - we accept other proposals.
>>> >>> > > > > > >
>>> >>> > > > > > > *Part C.*
>>> >>> > > > > > > I've made a proposal on how a
proposal page would
look
>>
like:
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > >
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>>
> >>> >>> > > >
> > >
> >>> >>> > > > > > > The proposal page will
gather all the information
> related
> >>> to
> >>> >>> it,
> >>> >>> > > > making
> >>> >>> > > > > > it
> >>> >>> > > > > > > easier to track it's
progress.
> >>> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> >>> > > > > > > The entries will be
separated depending on 4
> categories:
> >>> >>> > Analysis,
> >>> >>> > > > > > > Architecture, User Interface
and Implementation,
each
>>> category
>>> >>> > > having
>>> >>> > > > > > it's
>>> >>> > > > > > > own status, participants, jiras
and timeframe.
>>> >>> > > > > > > Categories are not mandatory for
all proposals,
smaller
> >>> >>> proposals
> >>> >>> > > > will
> >>> >>> > > > > > have
> >>> >>> > > > > > > just the related pages for
certain areas.
> >>> >>> > > > > > > Each proposal will store
it's data in a dedicated
> space.
> >>> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> >>> > > > > > > The implementation of the
proposal will be handled me.
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>> >>> > > > > >
>
>> >>> > > > > > > Let me know what you think.
>> >>> > > > > > > Thanks,
>> >>> > > > > > > Caty
>> >>> > > > > > >
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>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > >
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>> >>> > > > > >
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15 Nov
4 p.m.
It's very nice to have all technical and design proposals in once space and
the new features added like related proposals and mail links are really
cool.
A pass on the tags could be nice to have them have a better value for
browing proposals.
Ludovic
2013/11/13 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
Hi,
I've finished moving the content from
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and
http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements, Standards, Tech, Mockups
spaces) to the new wiki
http://design.xwiki.org/
Since I've been using scripts, the Participants and Status might not be
accurate since I marked most of them as Completed. Feel free to mark your
proposal accordingly and maybe even change the parent hierarchy if you find
your proposal in the wrong place.
Thanks,
Caty
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
will
new
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
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On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> *Short version* for voting:
> *A*. Creation of a new wiki on xwiki.org farm that will hold
development
process
details about a specific feature. This wiki will deprecate
dev.xwiki.org:Design and incubator.myxwiki.org
+1
*B*. Vote on naming alternatives for this new wiki:
design.xwiki.org
incubator.xwiki.org
+1 for design.xwiki.org
-0 for incubator.xwiki.org, "incubator" means implementations waiting
to be approved in some mainstream repository for me not design and
architecture. It would make more sense used as the name of a github
repository/organization associated to this wiki for example.
*C*. UI on how a Proposal will be displayed in this new wiki (example
AppWithinMinutes):
Looks very nice. Same as Denis, it's very important that it's as easy
as possible to use and not a constraint in order to actually be used.
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> *Long version: *
>
> Right now development process activities are located in multiple
places:
> - Analysis + Architecture:
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/
> - Analysis + User Interface:
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/
> - Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/, http://jira.xwiki.org, chats, git
> comments, etc.
>
> This process can be hard to optimize and information is hard to track
if
you are
looking for specific information.
And the worst part of it is that is hard to automatize and lots of the
items need manual gathering or search.
*Part A. *
This mail is about combining
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in a single place.
> This has already been discussed several times before (
> http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s and
> http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl) and the vote was
> favorable in this direction.
> The proposal was to create a new wiki called design.xwiki.org that contain
the combined information and that will target developers.
The new wiki will be used to gather only proposal's development process
information: requirements, architecture, solutions alternatives, user
interface variants, planning, etc. for a specific
feature/idea/improvement.
After the proposal is implemented it will be
properly documented in the
right location for users (ex platform.xwiki.org).
It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code on this wiki in order to
demonstrate
the functionality of the proposals, but we should
not add
experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars, etc.). For this case
it
is advisable to use a test machine, share your
own instance or use the
contrib.xwiki.org repository for hosting.
The version upgrades will be handle by a community admin and the wiki
gardening by me.
The data from incubator.myxwiki.org and dev.xwiki.org:Design will be
moved
> gradually after the new wiki is created.
>
> *Part B. *
> You should state your opinion regarding which name is better for the wiki:
- design.xwiki.org
- incubator.xwiki.org
- we accept other proposals.
*Part C.*
I've made a proposal on how a proposal page would look like:
The proposal page will gather all the information related to it, making
it
easier to track it's progress.
The entries will be separated depending on 4 categories: Analysis,
Architecture, User Interface and Implementation, each category having
it's
own status, participants, jiras and timeframe.
Categories are not mandatory for all proposals, smaller proposals will
have
just the related pages for certain areas.
Each proposal will store it's data in a dedicated space.
The implementation of the proposal will be handled by me.
Let me know what you think.
Thanks,
Caty
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