On 04/12/2017 01:47 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote: Edit :) IMHO, 1 doesn't solve anything. The buttons already have classic tooltips, and adding "improved" tooltips adds little to the discoverability of the actions. If someone is looking for the "edit" button, they scan the screen for that text with their eyes, they wouldn't just hover everything with the mouse.

So, the question is: - is it better to clutter the screen to help a few first-time users that can't interpret the pencil icon? - is it OK to leave things as they are for a cleaner UI? - are there better icons to suggest these actions? And by changing them now, will current users be disoriented?

The deciding factor is exactly how many users have a problem with the current UI. -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/

wrote: wrote: users But for the Delete/Rename/Copy we need to change the icon for sure since right now we’re using a “settings” type of icon which is quite misleading. Ideas: - http://fontawesome.io/icon/clone/ - http://fontawesome.io/icon/files-o/ - http://fontawesome.io/icon/file-o/ - http://fontawesome.io/icon/clipboard/ The Administer page should probably be moved elsewhere.

Thanks -Vincent

I like it.

Thanks, Marius > > > For these changes we need https://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-14002 and > https://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12595 > > Thanks, > Caty > > >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >>> >>> >>>> The deciding factor is exactly how many users have a problem with the >>>> current UI. >>>> -- >>>> Sergiu Dumitriu >>>> http://purl.org/net/sergiu/ >> >> >

While iterating on this issue, I've done some screenshots for a skin that would group the global and the content actions more close together. See http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/KoelSkin My conclusion is that the content menu actions need some affordance that they are clickable, so we increase their discoverability. The simplest is using a background-color. Now all depends if we want the skin to be more cleaner (P4) or more explicit (P2). Thanks, Caty On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 7:43 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote: and the

On 24 Apr 2017, at 14:25, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi, Note that P1 is basically already covered by the latest updates to Firefox where they seem to have lowered drastically the hover tooltip popup delays and have restyled the popups themselves (black background with white text), very close to BootStrap's default. Also note that Google's Chrome also has a very low delay for the tooltip.

Re http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/ IdeaLabeledActions/P4_noRightPanels_manage.png it is a nice solution to get rid of one extra button in the UI, though it is making the More Actions section longer. Even so, coupled with the labeled grouping, I find it nice as well. Re adding backgrounds, I`m not that fond of it, since it adds a lot of weight to an area that is already dominated by the breadcrumbs background, so it would be a bit too much, IMO. On the advantages side, AFAIK, backgrounds tend to make a button more touch-friendly (for mobile devices), since it clearly defines the touchable area and is more inviting that way. Thanks, Eduard On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau < guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: > To me, P2 looks good, and even better with your new skin. > > 2017-04-20 14:23 GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: > >> While iterating on this issue, I've done some screenshots for a skin that >> would group the global and the content actions more close together. See >> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/KoelSkin >> >> My conclusion is that the content menu actions need some affordance that >> they are clickable, so we increase their discoverability. The simplest is >> using a background-color. Now all depends if we want the skin to be more >> cleaner (P4) or more explicit (P2). >> >> Thanks, >> Caty >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 7:43 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> [snip ] >>> >>>> >>>>> How about the "More actions" labeled grouping from >>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/ >>> IdeaLabeledActions/P4_ >>>>> noRightPanels_manage.png >>>> >>>> >>>> I like it. >>> >>> I like it too. >>> >>> Thanks >>> -Vincent >>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Marius >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For these changes we need https://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-14002 >> and >>>>> https://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12595 >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Caty >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The deciding factor is exactly how many users have a problem with >> the >>>>>>>> current UI. >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Sergiu Dumitriu >>>>>>>> http://purl.org/net/sergiu/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >> > > > > -- > Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > Committer on the XWiki.org project >

mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: Edit * modify the tour to make the user edit the home page (interactive tour), inviting him to click on the content actions buttons (at least the edit one). Proposal 3: Use Labels instead of Icons, as it’s done by wikipedia. Personally I don’t like proposal 2 or 3 and if they’re made configurable then it would be the same issue since we would need to pick a default and we would force regular xwiki users to have to change their settings which isn’t nice. Regarding simple vs advanced users, I’m not sure it’s the problem. I’ve experimented this over the week end (see my other mail) and the issue was locating this action bar and understanding it. But once it was understood it was very easy to use for the user and he actually liked that it wasn’t taking too much visual space.

So I think it’s only a discoverability issue and not a regular usage issue.

Another option would be that when the user hovers over the action icons in the default content for Main.WebHome, (for example if he tries to click on them), that we would highlight the content menu very visibly or something like that. Thanks -Vincent :)