For the sake of the discussion, also note that there’s another option. Don’t leave the view page when editing (ie. inline editing) and just replace the view area by an edit area. And find how to display the page syntax and include/display references in the UI. The nice part is that it 1) it saves a reload of the UI (good for perf) and 2) it feels more snappy and no context switching for the user (better usability). If you remember this was a proposal done a very long time ago by Jean-Vincent Drean (tried to find the thread again but didn’t succeed). Thanks -Vincent

Some notes about the comments: - @GD: In CkEditor when drag&dropping it doesn't open a file explorer (that's for the simple upload), instead you just drag the image from Desktop and it inserts it. - @Vincent: the inline editing approach (with keeping the attachments tab in the same location) doesn't work for cases when we hide the docextra: we will have the same problem, and we might plan to remove that area for other skins. - @Thomas: yes this approach to have attachments tab in edit is problematic because of the save and other js events, plus to me is still oldish. So I don't want us to include the attachment tab in edit mode (although it sounded as a nice option). Instead I would like at least to have an improved drag&drop for CkEditor (improvement) and in the 'future' to support drag&drop in wiki mode (new feature). Thanks, Caty On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Thomas Mortagne &lt;thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com > Something is not clear to me. What is exactly going to happen in edit > mode when you select an attachment ? > > If the plan is to let the attachment tab behave exactly as it does in > view mode (which is to actually upload the attachment and save the > document) I'm really not a big fan of this. If we support attachments > in edit view it should not send anything until we click save. > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; > > > >> On 12 Oct 2016, at 18:47, Guillaume Delhumeau < > guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> >> > >> Just some remarks before I go: > >> * As a developer, I always use the Wiki editor, and even for me it's a > pain > >> to go to view mode to upload a file (for example, an image in the > release > >> notes). > >> * I never use drag&drop in whatever application I have. I have never > liked > >> it because it requires to open a file explorer specially for that and > it's > >> always a pain because I use applications in full size mode. I'm sure I'm > >> not the only one so I'm not fond of having it as the only way to upload > >> attachments. > > > > For the sake of the discussion, also note that there’s another option. > Don’t leave the view page when editing (ie. inline editing) and just > replace the view area by an edit area. And find how to display the page > syntax and include/display references in the UI. > > > > The nice part is that it 1) it saves a reload of the UI (good for perf) > and 2) it feels more snappy and no context switching for the user (better > usability). > > > > If you remember this was a proposal done a very long time ago by > Jean-Vincent Drean (tried to find the thread again but didn’t succeed). > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > >> Thanks, > >> > >> 2016-10-12 18:00 GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com > >: > >> > >>> There are some problems with docextra, because it contains comments, > which > >>> are mostly needed in view mode, not in edit. So in edit mode, we would > need > >>> just some tabs from docextra. But I'm not sure that adding docextra now > >>> will fix the underlying problem of the issue. > >>> > >>> The issue was trying to fix the attachments uploading limitation of the > >>> editor. The problem is that the editors (including CKEditor) are > >>> advertising that they add images and not other file types. If users > want to > >>> add a PDF they might be confused. > >>> > >>> Ideally the users would just need to drag&drop a file and we would > insert a > >>> displayer depending on the dragged type (viewer for PDFs, gallery for > >>> multiple images, image macro for single image, etc.) > >>> Also even if in CKEditor the drag&drop option for images is permitted, > >>> nobody knows about it. And currently CKEditor has the limitation to > allow > >>> dragging just images and not other types (dragging an image inserts it, > >>> dragging a text file does nothing). > >>> > >>> Other thing to consider is that for Groupware flavor, where we promote > >>> applications, we hide the docextra, since this is not so relevant for > >>> application entries. Hidding docextra creates > >>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-13799 and > >>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12993 . > >>> > >>> So, a conclusion: I'm not sure adding #docextra in the edit mode is the > >>> best solution, especially since we try to make the interface more > simple > >>> and we usually hide docextra also from view. > >>> An idea would be to better mark in the Edit mode that Drag&Drop is > >>> permitted (at least for the CKEditor - the wiki mode will still have > the > >>> same issue). Have a drag&drop behavior also for other file types, not > just > >>> images (for text files we could create a link for the attached file, > etc.). > >>> Plus have a link to manually go to the attachments viewer as a backup > (by > >>> fixing the 2 additional issues mentioned). The problem will still > remain on > >>> wiki mode, but let's say those users are more advanced and know how to > use > >>> viewers (although consistency between the edit modes would be ideal). > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Caty > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau < > >>> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> >>> > >>>> Hi. > >>>> > >>>> Currently a user have 2 ways to attach a file to a wiki page: > >>>> - in the attachment tab in VIEW mode only ; > >>>> - if it's an image, using a WYSIWYG editor. > >>>> > >>>> However, if it's not an image, you cannot add it while you're writing > the > >>>> content. It's a bit as if you were not able to attach a file while you > >>> were > >>>> writing an email... not user friendly! > >>>> > >>>> So we have this issue: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-5400 > >>>> > >>>> To fix it, I see 2 options: > >>>> - add the handling of attachments in edit mode. > >>>> - add *all* docextra tabs like we have in view mode (it's not because > you > >>>> are editing a page that you don't need to see the history of the page, > >>> nor > >>>> the comments). > >>>> > >>>> But this might be not relevant for the class and the object editor. > >>>> > >>>> My proposal: > >>>> * Display docextra tabs by default. > >>>> * In class and object editors, set $docExtras = []. > >>>> * Set $docExtras = [] in all sheets where we consider it's not > relevant > >>> to > >>>> have the tabs. > >>>> > >>>> WDYT? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > devs(a)xwiki.org > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > -- > Thomas Mortagne > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > devs(a)xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >

Don’t want to speak for others ;) So let me rephrase: I completely agree with both Thomas and Caty’s points. Thanks -Vincent

Guillaume, would you not rather be in favour of an attachments’ tab display (it could be iframed) as pop-up for the wiki editor? And the let JS modify the action on link-click to be a selection, and then make selection insert something useful depending on the type of the selected item and, possibly later, on the wiki-text around the cursor. paul