7 Jan
2009
7 Jan
'09
4:59 p.m.
Hi,
We need to decide if we want to keep the "\\" syntax since now
newlines are significant.
There are two use cases I can see:
1) If we want to allow users to enter empty paragraphs (using \\):
some para
\\
still the same para
another para
2) Using \\ in scripts
For example:
#set ($var = "hello\\world")
$var
note that a possibility is to use the following which is less nice IMO:
#set ($var = "hello${xwiki.nl}world")
So here's my +1 to keep "\\" syntax.
Thanks
-Vincent
http://xwiki.com
http://xwiki.org
http://massol.net
7 Jan
7 Jan
4:27 p.m.
+0
Jerome.
Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi,
We need to decide if we want to keep the "\\" syntax since now
newlines are significant.
There are two use cases I can see:
1) If we want to allow users to enter empty paragraphs (using \\):
some para
\\
still the same para
another para
2) Using \\ in scripts
For example:
#set ($var = "hello\\world")
$var
note that a possibility is to use the following which is less nice IMO:
#set ($var = "hello${xwiki.nl}world")
So here's my +1 to keep "\\" syntax.
Thanks
-Vincent
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5:33 p.m.
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi,
We need to decide if we want to keep the "\\" syntax since now
newlines are significant.
There are two use cases I can see:
1) If we want to allow users to enter empty paragraphs (using \\):
some para
\\
still the same para
another para
If the rational is "We escape the new line" I would prefer to use "~"
instean of "\\" since our escaping character is "~" now.
2) Using \\ in scripts
For example:
#set ($var = "hello\\world")
$var
note that a possibility is to use the following which is less nice IMO:
#set ($var = "hello${xwiki.nl}world")
So here's my +1 to keep "\\" syntax.
Thanks
-Vincent
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5:45 p.m.
On Jan 7, 2009, at 5:33 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote:
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
We need one way to handle 1) and 2) which is a way to force a line
break. Having 2 solutions is complex and not intuitive.
In addition it's creole-compatible.
Hi,
We need to decide if we want to keep the "\\" syntax since now
newlines are significant.
There are two use cases I can see:
1) If we want to allow users to enter empty paragraphs (using \\):
some para
\\
still the same para
another para
If the rational is "We escape the new line" I would prefer to use
"~"
instean of "\\" since our escaping character is "~" now. > 2) Using \\ in scripts
>
> For example:
>
> #set ($var = "hello\\world")
> $var
>
> note that a possibility is to use the following which is less nice
> IMO:
> #set ($var = "hello${xwiki.nl}world")
>
> So here's my +1 to keep "\\" syntax.
>
> Thanks
Thanks
-Vincent
http://xwiki.com
http://xwiki.org
http://massol.net
5:48 p.m.
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On Jan 7, 2009, at 5:33 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote:
Ok so it's not a new line escaping it's about adding a line break
between two new lines.
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
We need one way to handle 1) and 2) which is a way to force a line
break. Having 2 solutions is complex and not intuitive. Hi,
We need to decide if we want to keep the "\\" syntax since now
newlines are significant.
There are two use cases I can see:
1) If we want to allow users to enter empty paragraphs (using \\):
some para
\\
still the same para
another para
If the rational is "We escape the new line" I would prefer to use
"~"
instean of "\\" since our escaping character is "~" now.
In addition it's creole-compatible.
--
Thomas Mortagne
> 2) Using \\ in scripts
>
> For example:
>
> #set ($var = "hello\\world")
> $var
>
> note that a possibility is to use the following which is less nice
> IMO:
> #set ($var = "hello${xwiki.nl}world")
>
> So here's my +1 to keep "\\" syntax.
>
> Thanks
Thanks
-Vincent
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5:50 p.m.
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
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Thomas Mortagne
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
By the way isn't this render hello\world ? (because the first \ escape
the second in the string literral ?)
On Jan 7, 2009, at 5:33 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote:
Ok so it's not a new line escaping it's about adding a line break
between two new lines.
>
> In addition it's creole-compatible.
>
>>> 2) Using \\ in scripts
>>>
>>> For example:
>>>
>>> #set ($var = "hello\\world")
>>> $var On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
We need one way to handle 1) and 2) which is a way to force a line
break. Having 2 solutions is complex and not intuitive. Hi,
We need to decide if we want to keep the "\\" syntax since now
newlines are significant.
There are two use cases I can see:
1) If we want to allow users to enter empty paragraphs (using \\):
some para
\\
still the same para
another para
If the rational is "We escape the new line" I would prefer to use
"~"
instean of "\\" since our escaping character is "~" now. >
> note that a possibility is to use the following which is less nice
> IMO:
> #set ($var = "hello${xwiki.nl}world")
>
> So here's my +1 to keep "\\" syntax.
>
> Thanks
Thanks
-Vincent
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5:53 p.m.
Anyway i'm +1 for having a way to have more than one linebreak in the
same paragraph, just wanted to be sure \\ is the right one.
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
--
Thomas Mortagne
--
Thomas Mortagne
--
Thomas Mortagne
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
By the way isn't this render hello\world ? (because the first \ escape
the second in the string literral ?)
On Jan 7, 2009, at 5:33 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote:
Ok so it's not a new line escaping it's about adding a line break
between two new lines.
>
> In addition it's creole-compatible.
>
>>> 2) Using \\ in scripts
>>>
>>> For example:
>>>
>>> #set ($var = "hello\\world")
>>> $var On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We need to decide if we want to keep the "\\" syntax since now
> newlines are significant.
>
> There are two use cases I can see:
>
> 1) If we want to allow users to enter empty paragraphs (using \\):
>
> some para
> \\
> still the same para
>
> another para
If the rational is "We escape the new line" I would prefer to use
"~"
instean of "\\" since our escaping character is "~" now.
We need one way to handle 1) and 2) which is a way to force a line
break. Having 2 solutions is complex and not intuitive. >
> note that a possibility is to use the following which is less nice
> IMO:
> #set ($var = "hello${xwiki.nl}world")
>
> So here's my +1 to keep "\\" syntax.
>
> Thanks
Thanks
-Vincent
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5:49 p.m.
+1 for a way to represent empty lines inside the same paragraph because
a WYSIWYG user can do the following:
* write a paragraph with 3 lines
line1
line2
line3
* delete the text on the middle line
line1
line3
* at this point he can write on the middle line having the same style
applied as for the previous and the following lines (because he's
writing inside the same paragraph). The WYSIWYG cannot delete the middle
line because the user might want to write in between.
* the user saves and edits again. Currently the result is 2 paragraphs:
line1
--- he cannot edit here because this is the space between paragraphs ---
line3
which is not what the user had initially.
Thanks,
Marius.
Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi,
We need to decide if we want to keep the "\\" syntax since now
newlines are significant.
There are two use cases I can see:
1) If we want to allow users to enter empty paragraphs (using \\):
some para
\\
still the same para
another para
2) Using \\ in scripts
For example:
#set ($var = "hello\\world")
$var
note that a possibility is to use the following which is less nice IMO:
#set ($var = "hello${xwiki.nl}world")
So here's my +1 to keep "\\" syntax.
Thanks
-Vincent
http://xwiki.com
http://xwiki.org
http://massol.net
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5:57 p.m.
Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi,
We need to decide if we want to keep the "\\" syntax since now
newlines are significant.
There are two use cases I can see:
1) If we want to allow users to enter empty paragraphs (using \\):
some para
\\
still the same para
another para
2) Using \\ in scripts
For example:
#set ($var = "hello\\world")
$var
note that a possibility is to use the following which is less nice IMO:
#set ($var = "hello${xwiki.nl}world")
So here's my +1 to keep "\\" syntax.
I'd rather use a different thing, since \\ causes problems, and it can't
be used as a java escape.
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6:09 p.m.
On Jan 7, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
Vincent Massol wrote:
If we want to be creole compatible then \\ is the right choice. I do
agree it has some issues with velocity which is also using \ as the
escape symbol and java.
BTW I've tried and the following works for some reason I'm not sure:
{{velocity}}
#set ($var = "hello\\world")
$var
{{/velocity}}
So the questions are:
1) do we value creole compatibility more or less than the ability to
more clearly separate between velocity/java escapes?
2) if the answer to 1) is that we value creole compatiblity less then
what symbol do we use? There doesn't seem to be a lot of known
alternatives: http://www.wikicreole.org/wiki/ParagraphsAndLineBreaksReasoning
I'd still like to ensure we cannot use "\\" since this is the most
logical choice and that it works for some reason when I tried it (need
to find why).
BTW some loooong discussion (that I haven't read I admit) on blog
style line breaks vs wiki style line breaks:
http://www.wikicreole.org/wiki/Talk.ChangeLinebreakMarkupProposal
Thanks
-Vincent
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http://massol.net
Hi,
We need to decide if we want to keep the "\\" syntax since now
newlines are significant.
There are two use cases I can see:
1) If we want to allow users to enter empty paragraphs (using \\):
some para
\\
still the same para
another para
2) Using \\ in scripts
For example:
#set ($var = "hello\\world")
$var
note that a possibility is to use the following which is less nice
IMO:
#set ($var = "hello${xwiki.nl}world")
So here's my +1 to keep "\\" syntax.
I'd rather use a different thing, since \\ causes problems, and it
can't
be used as a java escape. 
7:35 p.m.
+1 for keeping \\, I think we need it and I'm in favor of staying
close to creole when it's possible.
JV.
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi,
We need to decide if we want to keep the "\\" syntax since now
newlines are significant.
There are two use cases I can see:
1) If we want to allow users to enter empty paragraphs (using \\):
some para
\\
still the same para
another para
2) Using \\ in scripts
For example:
#set ($var = "hello\\world")
$var
note that a possibility is to use the following which is less nice IMO:
#set ($var = "hello${xwiki.nl}world")
So here's my +1 to keep "\\" syntax.
8 Jan
8 Jan
3:20 p.m.
Other related question:
Does the following generate 5 NL or 3 NL?
Hello
\\
\\
world
my +1 for 5 NLs meaning that the user would have to write "Hello\\\
\world" if we he wants 3 NLs only.
-Vincent
On Jan 7, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi,
We need to decide if we want to keep the "\\" syntax since now
newlines are significant.
There are two use cases I can see:
1) If we want to allow users to enter empty paragraphs (using \\):
some para
\\
still the same para
another para
2) Using \\ in scripts
For example:
#set ($var = "hello\\world")
$var
note that a possibility is to use the following which is less nice
IMO:
#set ($var = "hello${xwiki.nl}world")
So here's my +1 to keep "\\" syntax.
Thanks
3:57 p.m.
It could seems a bit weird that this generates 5 NL but, since line
breaks are significant and \\ is a syntax element and not an escape
sequence, +1 for 5 NLs.
JV.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Other related question:
Does the following generate 5 NL or 3 NL?
Hello
\\
\\
world
my +1 for 5 NLs meaning that the user would have to write "Hello\\\
\world" if we he wants 3 NLs only.
-Vincent
On Jan 7, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi,
We need to decide if we want to keep the "\\" syntax since now
newlines are significant.
There are two use cases I can see:
1) If we want to allow users to enter empty paragraphs (using \\):
some para
\\
still the same para
another para
2) Using \\ in scripts
For example:
#set ($var = "hello\\world")
$var
note that a possibility is to use the following which is less nice
IMO:
#set ($var = "hello${xwiki.nl}world")
So here's my +1 to keep "\\" syntax.
Thanks
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11:28 p.m.
Vincent Massol wrote:
Other related question:
Does the following generate 5 NL or 3 NL?
Hello
\\
\\
world
my +1 for 5 NLs meaning that the user would have to write "Hello\\\
\world" if we he wants 3 NLs only.
+1 for 5 NLs
-Vincent
On Jan 7, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi,
We need to decide if we want to keep the "\\" syntax since now
newlines are significant.
There are two use cases I can see:
1) If we want to allow users to enter empty paragraphs (using \\):
some para
\\
still the same para
another para
2) Using \\ in scripts
For example:
#set ($var = "hello\\world")
$var
note that a possibility is to use the following which is less nice
IMO:
#set ($var = "hello${xwiki.nl}world")
So here's my +1 to keep "\\" syntax.
Thanks
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