24 Feb
2017
24 Feb
'17
12:18 p.m.
Hi devs,
I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing list and instead to
use the Discourse open source tool:
* Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
* License: GPL v2
* FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
* Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
What is especially interesting for us:
* It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to the forum).
* Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check the gradle instance
at https://discuss.gradle.org/
Nice things:
* Works on mobile
* Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
* Badges/user metrics
So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an instance.
WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
Please cast your votes!
Thanks
-Vincent
24 Feb
24 Feb
12:45 p.m.
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I guess we can try it.
Thanks,
Caty
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing list
and instead to use the Discourse open source tool:
* Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
* License: GPL v2
* FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
* Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
What is especially interesting for us:
* It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to the
forum).
* Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check the
gradle instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
Nice things:
* Works on mobile
* Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
* Badges/user metrics
So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an
instance.
WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
Please cast your votes!
Thanks
-Vincent
1:43 p.m.
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FWIW, I am an admin over a private Discourse forum as far as forum software
goes, it's pretty darn good and as Vincent said, I do use the mailing list
option, so most of the time I just keep up to date via email, but then have
the power discussion options of the forum when needed.
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 5:45 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I guess we can try it.
Thanks,
Caty
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
--
Keith Davis
214-906-5183
Hi devs,
I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing
list
and instead to use the Discourse open source
tool:
* Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
* License: GPL v2
* FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
* Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
What is especially interesting for us:
* It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to
the
forum).
* Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check
the
gradle instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
Nice things:
* Works on mobile
* Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
* Badges/user metrics
So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an
instance.
WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
Please cast your votes!
Thanks
-Vincent
2:55 p.m.
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+1, looks awesome and can be SSO integrated I hope it will give us the best of both
worlds. I wonder if we can also reintegrate the archives.
--
Denis Gervalle
SOFTEC sa - CEO
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 13:43, Keith Davis <laurinkeithdavis(a)gmail.com> wrote:
FWIW, I am an admin over a private Discourse forum as far as forum software
goes, it's pretty darn good and as Vincent said, I do use the mailing list
option, so most of the time I just keep up to date via email, but then have
the power discussion options of the forum when needed.
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 5:45 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I guess we can try it.
Thanks,
Caty
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
--
Keith Davis
214-906-5183
Hi devs,
I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing
list
and instead to use the Discourse open source
tool:
* Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
* License: GPL v2
* FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
* Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
What is especially interesting for us:
* It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to
the
forum).
* Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check
the
gradle instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
Nice things:
* Works on mobile
* Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
* Badges/user metrics
So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an
instance.
WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
Please cast your votes!
Thanks
-Vincent
4:57 p.m.
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Hi,
Sounds interesting. Hope it won`t be complicated to host it ourselves and
that we won`t have service interruptions due to hosting problems.
Also, it would be interesting if it would also accept guest posts (i.e. no
registration just to ask a question).
+1 from my side to try it out.
Thanks,
Eduard
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
+1, looks awesome and can be SSO integrated I hope it
will give us the
best of both worlds. I wonder if we can also reintegrate the archives.
--
Denis Gervalle
SOFTEC sa - CEO
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 13:43, Keith Davis <laurinkeithdavis(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
FWIW, I am an admin over a private Discourse forum as far as forum software
goes, it's pretty darn good and as Vincent said, I do use the mailing list
option, so most of the time I just keep up to date via email, but then have
the power discussion options of the forum when needed.
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 5:45 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I guess we can try it.
Thanks,
Caty
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
--
Keith Davis
214-906-5183
Hi devs,
I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing
list
and instead to use the Discourse open source
tool:
* Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
* License: GPL v2
* FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
* Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
What is especially interesting for us:
* It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to
the
forum).
* Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check
the
gradle instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
Nice things:
* Works on mobile
* Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
* Badges/user metrics
So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an
instance.
WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
Please cast your votes!
Thanks
-Vincent
5:47 p.m.
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Looked over the features, seems to cover most of my concerns except one:
migrating the current mailing list archives (at least I couldn't see it
in the features list). Do we care about that? Can it be scripted using
the API?
Anyway, +1.
On 02/24/2017 06:18 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi devs,
I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing list and instead to
use the Discourse open source tool:
* Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
* License: GPL v2
* FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
* Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
What is especially interesting for us:
* It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to the forum).
* Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check the gradle
instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
Nice things:
* Works on mobile
* Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
* Badges/user metrics
So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an instance.
WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
Please cast your votes!
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu
25 Feb
25 Feb
2:44 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Move from our mailing lists and use Discourse instead
Interesting plugin:
* Solved plugin:
https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-solved-accepted-answer-plugin/30155
@Sergiu: here’s a script to import from mailman mbox files:
https://meta.discourse.org/t/import-mailman-archives-into-discourse/18537/9
However I’m not sure if it’s a good thing or not, see
https://meta.discourse.org/t/import-mailman-archives-into-discourse/18537/2. We could try
and see what it gives us.
Thanks
-Vincent
On 24 Feb 2017, at 12:18, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing list and instead to
use the Discourse open source tool:
* Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
* License: GPL v2
* FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
* Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
What is especially interesting for us:
* It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to the forum).
* Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check the gradle
instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
Nice things:
* Works on mobile
* Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
* Badges/user metrics
So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an instance.
WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
Please cast your votes!
Thanks
-Vincent
27 Feb
27 Feb
10:02 a.m.
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+1
2017-02-25 14:44 GMT+01:00 Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
Interesting plugin:
* Solved plugin: https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-solved-accepted-
answer-plugin/30155
@Sergiu: here’s a script to import from mailman mbox files:
https://meta.discourse.org/t/import-mailman-archives-into-
discourse/18537/9
However I’m not sure if it’s a good thing or not, see
https://meta.discourse.org/t/import-mailman-archives-into-
discourse/18537/2. We could try and see what it gives us.
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
On 24 Feb 2017, at 12:18, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing
list and
instead to use the Discourse open source tool:
* Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
* License: GPL v2
* FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
* Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
What is especially interesting for us:
* It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to
the
forum).
* Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real
life instance, check
the gradle instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
Nice things:
* Works on mobile
* Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
* Badges/user metrics
So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an
instance.
WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
Please cast your votes!
Thanks
-Vincent
1 Mar
1 Mar
8:18 a.m.
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Looks good. As long as I can continue using it as a mailing list and
not forced to go to some forum to know if there is new messages I'm
fine.
On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Guillaume Delhumeau
<guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
+1
2017-02-25 14:44 GMT+01:00 Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
--
Thomas Mortagne
Interesting plugin:
* Solved plugin: https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-solved-accepted-
answer-plugin/30155
@Sergiu: here’s a script to import from mailman mbox files:
https://meta.discourse.org/t/import-mailman-archives-into-
discourse/18537/9
However I’m not sure if it’s a good thing or not, see
https://meta.discourse.org/t/import-mailman-archives-into-
discourse/18537/2. We could try and see what it gives us.
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project On 24 Feb 2017, at 12:18, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing
list and
instead to use the Discourse open source tool:
* Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
* License: GPL v2
* FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
* Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
What is especially interesting for us:
* It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to
the
forum).
* Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real
life instance, check
the gradle instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
Nice things:
* Works on mobile
* Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
* Badges/user metrics
So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an
instance.
WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
Please cast your votes!
Thanks
-Vincent
10:18 a.m.
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+1 to try it out.
Thanks,
Marius
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing list
and instead to use the Discourse open source tool:
* Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
* License: GPL v2
* FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
* Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
What is especially interesting for us:
* It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to the
forum).
* Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check the
gradle instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
Nice things:
* Works on mobile
* Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
* Badges/user metrics
So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an
instance.
WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
Please cast your votes!
Thanks
-Vincent
3 Mar
3 Mar
11:20 p.m.
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https://blog.discourse.org/2016/03/free-discourse-forum-hosting-for-communi…
They offer free hosting to open source projects if the repo has more than
30 contributors and 2000+ stars.
We have 55 contributors and 214 stars. We could make a campaign to get more
stars :)
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
+1 to try it out.
Thanks,
Marius
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
Hi devs,
I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing
list
and instead to use the Discourse open source
tool:
* Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
* License: GPL v2
* FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
* Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
What is especially interesting for us:
* It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to
the
forum).
* Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check
the
gradle instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
Nice things:
* Works on mobile
* Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
* Badges/user metrics
So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an
instance.
WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
Please cast your votes!
Thanks
-Vincent
4 Mar
4 Mar
5:37 p.m.
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On 3 Mar 2017, at 22:20, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
https://blog.discourse.org/2016/03/free-discourse-forum-hosting-for-communi…
They offer free hosting to open source projects if the repo has more than
30 contributors and 2000+ stars.
We have 55 contributors and 214 stars. We could make a campaign to get more
stars :)
It could be interesting but I think we'd be better off hosting it ourselves since that
allows us more control: plugins we install, config, etc.
Now it would certainly relieve us from some maintenance such as upgrades!
A campaign to get more stars wouldn't hurt anyway ;)
Thanks
-Vincent
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> +1 to try it out.
>
> Thanks,
> Marius
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi devs,
>>
>> I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing
> list
>> and instead to use the Discourse open source tool:
>>
>> * Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
>> * License: GPL v2
>> * FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
>> * Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
>>
>> What is especially interesting for us:
>> * It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to
> the
>> forum).
>> * Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check
> the
>> gradle instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
>>
>> Nice things:
>> * Works on mobile
>> * Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
>> * Badges/user metrics
>>
>> So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an
>> instance.
>>
>> WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
>>
>> Please cast your votes!
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>
>
8 Mar
8 Mar
10:39 a.m.
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It looks really interesting and I trust our community governance to take an amount of
advantages of it.
My +1 too.
paul
On 01 Mar 2017, at 10:18, Marius Dumitru Florea
<mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
+1 to try it out.
Thanks,
Marius
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
> Hi devs,
>
> I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing list
> and instead to use the Discourse open source tool:
>
> * Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
> * License: GPL v2
> * FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
> * Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
>
> What is especially interesting for us:
> * It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to the
> forum).
> * Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check the
> gradle instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
>
> Nice things:
> * Works on mobile
> * Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
> * Badges/user metrics
>
> So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an
> instance.
>
> WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
>
> Please cast your votes!
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>
28 Apr
28 Apr
3:43 p.m.
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Status
======
So I’ve progressed in this with Kevin (who’s an infra admin at XWiki SAS).
We now have an instance ready.
What’s left to do:
* Configure reply by email. I’m currently trying to do that with Kevin. The principle is
that you receive mail from discourse and we set in discourse a reply-to email address so
that when you reply to the mail, it goes to a mail inbox somewhere (some gmail account for
example). Then discourse is configured to check (using POP3, they don’t seem to support
IMAP ATM) that inbox and to process mails found in it and update the topics. Note that
even if we don’t configure this, users can still receive emails for all posts but they
will just need to click on the link to go the webpage and answer. It’s not the end of the
world either.
* Decide on the migration path. See below
* Decide if we migrate only users or also devs. FTM I suggest that we do only users and
see how it goes and if we’re happy we can decide to move devs data too.
Migration Path
============
I propose the following:
* On a given date that we advertise on the users list, we configure this list to be
readonly and not allow more posts. We invite users to register on our discourse instance
and use that.
* We don’t import our archives since it’s complex
(https://meta.discourse.org/t/howto-import-mbox-mailing-list-files/51233) and there’s not
a perfect mapping. We can always do that in the future if someone really wants to work on
that.
* We create a markmail user in our discourse instance and configure it to receive all
posts. We set its email address to be users(a)xwiki.org and we configure the users list to
accept mail from our discourse instance. This allows to keep having a place where we can
search in all places by using markmail. Incidentally this also means that nabble and gmane
will continue to archive our mails which is nice.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
On 24 Feb 2017, at 12:18, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing list and instead to
use the Discourse open source tool:
* Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
* License: GPL v2
* FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
* Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
What is especially interesting for us:
* It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to the forum).
* Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check the gradle
instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
Nice things:
* Works on mobile
* Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
* Badges/user metrics
So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an instance.
WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
Please cast your votes!
Thanks
-Vincent
3:49 p.m.
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On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Status
======
So I’ve progressed in this with Kevin (who’s an infra admin at XWiki SAS).
We now have an instance ready.
What’s left to do:
* Configure reply by email. I’m currently trying to do that with Kevin. The principle is
that you receive mail from discourse and we set in discourse a reply-to email address so
that when you reply to the mail, it goes to a mail inbox somewhere (some gmail account for
example). Then discourse is configured to check (using POP3, they don’t seem to support
IMAP ATM) that inbox and to process mails found in it and update the topics. Note that
even if we don’t configure this, users can still receive emails for all posts but they
will just need to click on the link to go the webpage and answer. It’s not the end of the
world either.
Does it also support starting new discussion by mail or only reply ?
* Decide on the migration path. See below
* Decide if we migrate only users or also devs. FTM I suggest that we do only users and
see how it goes and if we’re happy we can decide to move devs data too.
Migration Path
============
I propose the following:
* On a given date that we advertise on the users list, we configure this list to be
readonly and not allow more posts. We invite users to register on our discourse instance
and use that.
* We don’t import our archives since it’s complex
(https://meta.discourse.org/t/howto-import-mbox-mailing-list-files/51233) and there’s not
a perfect mapping. We can always do that in the future if someone really wants to work on
that.
* We create a markmail user in our discourse instance and configure it to receive all
posts. We set its email address to be users(a)xwiki.org and we configure the users list to
accept mail from our discourse instance. This allows to keep having a place where we can
search in all places by using markmail. Incidentally this also means that nabble and gmane
will continue to archive our mails which is nice.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne
On 24 Feb 2017, at 12:18, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing list and instead to
use the Discourse open source tool:
* Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
* License: GPL v2
* FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
* Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
What is especially interesting for us:
* It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to the forum).
* Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check the gradle
instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
Nice things:
* Works on mobile
* Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
* Badges/user metrics
So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an instance.
WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
Please cast your votes!
Thanks
-Vincent
3:53 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Move from our mailing lists and use Discourse instead
On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:49, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
It seems so:
" You can start topics, reply to topics, have a mailing list mode where you get an
email per post on the forum or post on the category.
Longer term we plan to add some "secret commands" that allow you to like a post
or flag a post via email.
Overall mailing list parity is pretty high here and we support a bunch of stuff mailing
lists do not.”
From https://meta.discourse.org/t/start-a-new-topic-via-email/12477/6
Thanks
-Vincent
Status
======
So I’ve progressed in this with Kevin (who’s an infra admin at XWiki SAS).
We now have an instance ready.
What’s left to do:
* Configure reply by email. I’m currently trying to do that with Kevin. The principle is
that you receive mail from discourse and we set in discourse a reply-to email address so
that when you reply to the mail, it goes to a mail inbox somewhere (some gmail account for
example). Then discourse is configured to check (using POP3, they don’t seem to support
IMAP ATM) that inbox and to process mails found in it and update the topics. Note that
even if we don’t configure this, users can still receive emails for all posts but they
will just need to click on the link to go the webpage and answer. It’s not the end of the
world either.
Does it also support starting new discussion by mail or only reply ? * Decide on the migration path. See below
* Decide if we migrate only users or also devs. FTM I suggest that we do only users and
see how it goes and if we’re happy we can decide to move devs data too.
Migration Path
============
I propose the following:
* On a given date that we advertise on the users list, we configure this list to be
readonly and not allow more posts. We invite users to register on our discourse instance
and use that.
* We don’t import our archives since it’s complex
(https://meta.discourse.org/t/howto-import-mbox-mailing-list-files/51233) and there’s not
a perfect mapping. We can always do that in the future if someone really wants to work on
that.
* We create a markmail user in our discourse instance and configure it to receive all
posts. We set its email address to be users(a)xwiki.org and we configure the users list to
accept mail from our discourse instance. This allows to keep having a place where we can
search in all places by using markmail. Incidentally this also means that nabble and gmane
will continue to archive our mails which is nice.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne On 24 Feb 2017, at 12:18, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing list and instead to
use the Discourse open source tool:
* Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
* License: GPL v2
* FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
* Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
What is especially interesting for us:
* It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to the forum).
* Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check the gradle
instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
Nice things:
* Works on mobile
* Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
* Badges/user metrics
So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an instance.
WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
Please cast your votes!
Thanks
-Vincent
3:55 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Move from our mailing lists and use Discourse instead
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
In that case another idea for the migration would be to make Discourse
monitor users(a)xwiki.org instead of making it readonly.
On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:49, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
It seems so:
" You can start topics, reply to topics, have a mailing list mode where you get an
email per post on the forum or post on the category.
Longer term we plan to add some "secret commands" that allow you to like a post
or flag a post via email.
Overall mailing list parity is pretty high here and we support a bunch of stuff mailing
lists do not.”
From https://meta.discourse.org/t/start-a-new-topic-via-email/12477/6 Status
======
So I’ve progressed in this with Kevin (who’s an infra admin at XWiki SAS).
We now have an instance ready.
What’s left to do:
* Configure reply by email. I’m currently trying to do that with Kevin. The principle is
that you receive mail from discourse and we set in discourse a reply-to email address so
that when you reply to the mail, it goes to a mail inbox somewhere (some gmail account for
example). Then discourse is configured to check (using POP3, they don’t seem to support
IMAP ATM) that inbox and to process mails found in it and update the topics. Note that
even if we don’t configure this, users can still receive emails for all posts but they
will just need to click on the link to go the webpage and answer. It’s not the end of the
world either.
Does it also support starting new discussion by mail or only reply ?
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne
* Decide on the migration path. See below
* Decide if we migrate only users or also devs. FTM I suggest that we do only users and
see how it goes and if we’re happy we can decide to move devs data too.
Migration Path
============
I propose the following:
* On a given date that we advertise on the users list, we configure this list to be
readonly and not allow more posts. We invite users to register on our discourse instance
and use that.
* We don’t import our archives since it’s complex
(https://meta.discourse.org/t/howto-import-mbox-mailing-list-files/51233) and there’s not
a perfect mapping. We can always do that in the future if someone really wants to work on
that.
* We create a markmail user in our discourse instance and configure it to receive all
posts. We set its email address to be users(a)xwiki.org and we configure the users list to
accept mail from our discourse instance. This allows to keep having a place where we can
search in all places by using markmail. Incidentally this also means that nabble and gmane
will continue to archive our mails which is nice.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne On 24 Feb 2017, at 12:18, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing list and instead to
use the Discourse open source tool:
* Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
* License: GPL v2
* FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
* Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
What is especially interesting for us:
* It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to the forum).
* Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check the gradle
instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
Nice things:
* Works on mobile
* Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
* Badges/user metrics
So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an instance.
WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
Please cast your votes!
Thanks
-Vincent
3:58 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Move from our mailing lists and use Discourse instead
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
--
Thomas Mortagne
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
you
get an email per post on the forum or post on the category.
Not sure the best idea is to have 2 Discourses, but we can surely create a
special category for users. Mailinglist doesn't allow categorization, so we
don't need a 1-1 translation from mailinglist to discourse.
Thanks,
Caty
> On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:49, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>> Status
>> ======
>>
>> So I’ve progressed in this with Kevin (who’s an infra admin at XWiki
SAS).
>>
>> We now have an instance ready.
>>
>> What’s left to do:
>>
>> * Configure reply by email. I’m currently trying to do that with
Kevin.
The principle is that you receive mail from discourse and we set in
discourse a reply-to email address so that when you reply to the mail, it
goes to a mail inbox somewhere (some gmail account for example). Then
discourse is configured to check (using POP3, they don’t seem to support
IMAP ATM) that inbox and to process mails found in it and update the
topics. Note that even if we don’t configure this, users can still receive
emails for all posts but they will just need to click on the link to go the
webpage and answer. It’s not the end of the world either.
Does it also support starting new discussion by mail or only reply ?
It seems so:
" You can start topics, reply to topics, have a mailing list mode where
Longer term we plan to add some "secret commands" that allow you to like
a post or flag a post via email.
Overall mailing list parity is pretty high here and we support a bunch
of stuff
mailing lists do not.”
In that case another idea for the migration would be to make Discourse
monitor users(a)xwiki.org instead of making it readonly.
Thanks
-Vincent
>
>> * Decide on the migration path. See below
>>
>> * Decide if we migrate only users or also devs. FTM I suggest that we
do
only users and see how it goes and if we’re happy we can decide to move
devs data too.
>>
>> Migration Path
>> ============
>>
>> I propose the following:
>>
>> * On a given date that we advertise on the users list, we configure
this
list to be readonly and not allow more posts. We invite users to
register on our discourse instance and use that.
>> * We don’t import our archives since it’s
complex (
https://meta.discourse.org/t/howto-import-mbox-mailing-list-files/51233)
and there’s not a perfect mapping. We can always do that in the future if
someone really wants to work on that.
>> * We create a markmail user in our
discourse instance and configure it
to receive all posts. We set its email address
to be users(a)xwiki.org and
we configure the users list to accept mail from our discourse instance.
This allows to keep having a place where we can search in all places by
using markmail. Incidentally this also means that nabble and gmane will
continue to archive our mails which is nice.
>>
>> WDYT?
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>
>>> On 24 Feb 2017, at 12:18, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi devs,
>>>
>>> I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing
list and instead to use the Discourse open source tool:
>>>
>>> * Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
>>> * License: GPL v2
>>> * FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
>>> * Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
>>>
>>> What is especially interesting for us:
>>> * It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails
to
the forum).
>>> * Works as a forum. BTW if you want
to see a real life instance,
check the gradle instance at
https://discuss.gradle.org/
>>>
>>> Nice things:
>>> * Works on mobile
>>> * Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
>>> * Badges/user metrics
>>>
>>> So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an
instance.
>
> WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
>
> Please cast your votes!
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
--
Thomas Mortagne
3:58 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Move from our mailing lists and use Discourse instead
On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:55, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
In that case another idea for the migration would be to make Discourse
monitor users(a)xwiki.org instead of making it readonly.
I thought about this but AFAIU this wouldn’t work.
The email address used to reply to posts is of the form:
<prefix>+<topickey>@<domain name>
For example: discourse-replies+XXXXX(a)xwiki.org
So I don’t think it would work to POP users(a)xwiki.org (and we don’t have a POP-able inbox
for users mail either AFAIK).
Thanks
-Vincent
On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:49, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
It seems so:
" You can start topics, reply to topics, have a mailing list mode where you get an
email per post on the forum or post on the category.
Longer term we plan to add some "secret commands" that allow you to like a post
or flag a post via email.
Overall mailing list parity is pretty high here and we support a bunch of stuff mailing
lists do not.”
From https://meta.discourse.org/t/start-a-new-topic-via-email/12477/6 Status
======
So I’ve progressed in this with Kevin (who’s an infra admin at XWiki SAS).
We now have an instance ready.
What’s left to do:
* Configure reply by email. I’m currently trying to do that with Kevin. The principle is
that you receive mail from discourse and we set in discourse a reply-to email address so
that when you reply to the mail, it goes to a mail inbox somewhere (some gmail account for
example). Then discourse is configured to check (using POP3, they don’t seem to support
IMAP ATM) that inbox and to process mails found in it and update the topics. Note that
even if we don’t configure this, users can still receive emails for all posts but they
will just need to click on the link to go the webpage and answer. It’s not the end of the
world either.
Does it also support starting new discussion by mail or only reply ?
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne * Decide on the migration path. See below
* Decide if we migrate only users or also devs. FTM I suggest that we do only users and
see how it goes and if we’re happy we can decide to move devs data too.
Migration Path
============
I propose the following:
* On a given date that we advertise on the users list, we configure this list to be
readonly and not allow more posts. We invite users to register on our discourse instance
and use that.
* We don’t import our archives since it’s complex
(https://meta.discourse.org/t/howto-import-mbox-mailing-list-files/51233) and there’s not
a perfect mapping. We can always do that in the future if someone really wants to work on
that.
* We create a markmail user in our discourse instance and configure it to receive all
posts. We set its email address to be users(a)xwiki.org and we configure the users list to
accept mail from our discourse instance. This allows to keep having a place where we can
search in all places by using markmail. Incidentally this also means that nabble and gmane
will continue to archive our mails which is nice.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
> On 24 Feb 2017, at 12:18, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>
> Hi devs,
>
> I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing list and
instead to use the Discourse open source tool:
>
> * Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
> * License: GPL v2
> * FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
> * Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
>
> What is especially interesting for us:
> * It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to the forum).
> * Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check the gradle
instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
>
> Nice things:
> * Works on mobile
> * Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
> * Badges/user metrics
>
> So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an instance.
>
> WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
>
> Please cast your votes!
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
--
Thomas Mortagne
4:05 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Move from our mailing lists and use Discourse instead
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
For replies sure but for new topics ?
On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:55, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
In that case another idea for the migration would be to make Discourse
monitor users(a)xwiki.org instead of making it readonly.
I thought about this but AFAIU this wouldn’t work.
The email address used to reply to posts is of the form:
<prefix>+<topickey>@<domain name>
For example: discourse-replies+XXXXX(a)xwiki.org On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:49, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
> Status
> ======
>
> So I’ve progressed in this with Kevin (who’s an infra admin at XWiki SAS).
>
> We now have an instance ready.
>
> What’s left to do:
>
> * Configure reply by email. I’m currently trying to do that with Kevin. The principle
is that you receive mail from discourse and we set in discourse a reply-to email address
so that when you reply to the mail, it goes to a mail inbox somewhere (some gmail account
for example). Then discourse is configured to check (using POP3, they don’t seem to
support IMAP ATM) that inbox and to process mails found in it and update the topics. Note
that even if we don’t configure this, users can still receive emails for all posts but
they will just need to click on the link to go the webpage and answer. It’s not the end of
the world either.
Does it also support starting new discussion by mail or only reply ?
It seems so:
" You can start topics, reply to topics, have a mailing list mode where you get an
email per post on the forum or post on the category.
Longer term we plan to add some "secret commands" that allow you to like a post
or flag a post via email.
Overall mailing list parity is pretty high here and we support a bunch of stuff mailing
lists do not.”
From https://meta.discourse.org/t/start-a-new-topic-via-email/12477/6
So I don’t think it would work to POP users(a)xwiki.org (and we don’t have a POP-able inbox
for users mail either AFAIK).
This is not really an issue. You just need to setup a regular mail
account behind users(a)xwiki.org instead of a mailing list, exactly like
what Kevin is probably currently doing for whatever mail address you
decided to use for Discourse replies.
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne
> * Decide on the migration path. See below
>
> * Decide if we migrate only users or also devs. FTM I suggest that we do only users
and see how it goes and if we’re happy we can decide to move devs data too.
>
> Migration Path
> ============
>
> I propose the following:
>
> * On a given date that we advertise on the users list, we configure this list to be
readonly and not allow more posts. We invite users to register on our discourse instance
and use that.
> * We don’t import our archives since it’s complex
(https://meta.discourse.org/t/howto-import-mbox-mailing-list-files/51233) and there’s not
a perfect mapping. We can always do that in the future if someone really wants to work on
that.
> * We create a markmail user in our discourse instance and configure it to receive all
posts. We set its email address to be users(a)xwiki.org and we configure the users list to
accept mail from our discourse instance. This allows to keep having a place where we can
search in all places by using markmail. Incidentally this also means that nabble and gmane
will continue to archive our mails which is nice.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>
>> On 24 Feb 2017, at 12:18, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi devs,
>>
>> I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing list and
instead to use the Discourse open source tool:
>>
>> * Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
>> * License: GPL v2
>> * FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
>> * Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
>>
>> What is especially interesting for us:
>> * It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to the
forum).
>> * Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check the gradle
instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
>>
>> Nice things:
>> * Works on mobile
>> * Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
>> * Badges/user metrics
>>
>> So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an instance.
>>
>> WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
>>
>> Please cast your votes!
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>
--
Thomas Mortagne
4:14 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Move from our mailing lists and use Discourse instead
On 28 Apr 2017, at 16:05, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
For replies sure but for new topics ?
I’m not sure I understand. If the idea is to use users(a)xwiki.org instead of
discourse-replies(a)xwiki.org then yes it’s possible but this means the user list is no
longer accessible, even in readonly (we need to configure mailman and mail servers inside
XWiki SAS to not go to mailman) and we cannot have a special list user inside discourse
posting to the user list and thus we won’t have markmail/nabble/gmane/etc archiving the
new posts
Thanks
-Vincent
On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:55, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
I thought about this but AFAIU this wouldn’t work.
The email address used to reply to posts is of the form:
<prefix>+<topickey>@<domain name>
For example: discourse-replies+XXXXX(a)xwiki.org
> On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:49, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>> Status
>> ======
>>
>> So I’ve progressed in this with Kevin (who’s an infra admin at XWiki SAS).
>>
>> We now have an instance ready.
>>
>> What’s left to do:
>>
>> * Configure reply by email. I’m currently trying to do that with Kevin. The
principle is that you receive mail from discourse and we set in discourse a reply-to email
address so that when you reply to the mail, it goes to a mail inbox somewhere (some gmail
account for example). Then discourse is configured to check (using POP3, they don’t seem
to support IMAP ATM) that inbox and to process mails found in it and update the topics.
Note that even if we don’t configure this, users can still receive emails for all posts
but they will just need to click on the link to go the webpage and answer. It’s not the
end of the world either.
>
> Does it also support starting new discussion by mail or only reply ?
It seems so:
" You can start topics, reply to topics, have a mailing list mode where you get an
email per post on the forum or post on the category.
Longer term we plan to add some "secret commands" that allow you to like a post
or flag a post via email.
Overall mailing list parity is pretty high here and we support a bunch of stuff mailing
lists do not.”
From https://meta.discourse.org/t/start-a-new-topic-via-email/12477/6
In that case another idea for the migration would be to make Discourse
monitor users(a)xwiki.org instead of making it readonly.
So I don’t think it would work to POP users(a)xwiki.org (and we don’t have a POP-able inbox
for users mail either AFAIK).
This is not really an issue. You just need to setup a regular mail
account behind users(a)xwiki.org instead of a mailing list, exactly like
what Kevin is probably currently doing for whatever mail address you
decided to use for Discourse replies.
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne
Thanks
-Vincent
>
>> * Decide on the migration path. See below
>>
>> * Decide if we migrate only users or also devs. FTM I suggest that we do only
users and see how it goes and if we’re happy we can decide to move devs data too.
>>
>> Migration Path
>> ============
>>
>> I propose the following:
>>
>> * On a given date that we advertise on the users list, we configure this list to
be readonly and not allow more posts. We invite users to register on our discourse
instance and use that.
>> * We don’t import our archives since it’s complex
(https://meta.discourse.org/t/howto-import-mbox-mailing-list-files/51233) and there’s not
a perfect mapping. We can always do that in the future if someone really wants to work on
that.
>> * We create a markmail user in our discourse instance and configure it to receive
all posts. We set its email address to be users(a)xwiki.org and we configure the users list
to accept mail from our discourse instance. This allows to keep having a place where we
can search in all places by using markmail. Incidentally this also means that nabble and
gmane will continue to archive our mails which is nice.
>>
>> WDYT?
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>
>>> On 24 Feb 2017, at 12:18, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi devs,
>>>
>>> I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing list
and instead to use the Discourse open source tool:
>>>
>>> * Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
>>> * License: GPL v2
>>> * FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
>>> * Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
>>>
>>> What is especially interesting for us:
>>> * It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to the
forum).
>>> * Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check the
gradle instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
>>>
>>> Nice things:
>>> * Works on mobile
>>> * Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
>>> * Badges/user metrics
>>>
>>> So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an
instance.
>>>
>>> WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
>>>
>>> Please cast your votes!
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Thomas Mortagne
--
Thomas Mortagne
4:29 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Move from our mailing lists and use Discourse instead
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
The archive and the mail address are two different things. It's not
because users(a)xwiki.org is redirected to something else that the old
mailman archive is not accessible anymore, it's just a web page.
I'm not proposing to replace discourse-replies(a)xwiki.org here. Again
the idea is to have mails sent to users(a)xwiki.org create new topics on
Discourse instead of returning errors, nothing else, mailman won't
accept any registration and it won't sent any mail anymore.
On 28 Apr 2017, at 16:05, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
For replies sure but for new topics ?
I’m not sure I understand. If the idea is to use users(a)xwiki.org instead of
discourse-replies(a)xwiki.org then yes it’s possible but this means the user list is no
longer accessible, even in readonly (we need to configure mailman and mail servers inside
XWiki SAS to not go to mailman) On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:55, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>
>> On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:49, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>> Status
>>> ======
>>>
>>> So I’ve progressed in this with Kevin (who’s an infra admin at XWiki SAS).
>>>
>>> We now have an instance ready.
>>>
>>> What’s left to do:
>>>
>>> * Configure reply by email. I’m currently trying to do that with Kevin. The
principle is that you receive mail from discourse and we set in discourse a reply-to email
address so that when you reply to the mail, it goes to a mail inbox somewhere (some gmail
account for example). Then discourse is configured to check (using POP3, they don’t seem
to support IMAP ATM) that inbox and to process mails found in it and update the topics.
Note that even if we don’t configure this, users can still receive emails for all posts
but they will just need to click on the link to go the webpage and answer. It’s not the
end of the world either.
>>
>> Does it also support starting new discussion by mail or only reply ?
>
> It seems so:
>
> " You can start topics, reply to topics, have a mailing list mode where you get
an email per post on the forum or post on the category.
>
> Longer term we plan to add some "secret commands" that allow you to like a
post or flag a post via email.
>
> Overall mailing list parity is pretty high here and we support a bunch of stuff
mailing lists do not.”
>
> From https://meta.discourse.org/t/start-a-new-topic-via-email/12477/6
In that case another idea for the migration would be to make Discourse
monitor users(a)xwiki.org instead of making it readonly.
I thought about this but AFAIU this wouldn’t work.
The email address used to reply to posts is of the form:
<prefix>+<topickey>@<domain name>
For example: discourse-replies+XXXXX(a)xwiki.org and we cannot have a special list user inside
discourse posting to the user list and thus we won’t have markmail/nabble/gmane/etc
archiving the new posts
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne
So I don’t think it would work to POP users(a)xwiki.org (and we don’t have a POP-able inbox
for users mail either AFAIK).
This is not really an issue. You just need to setup a regular mail
account behind users(a)xwiki.org instead of a mailing list, exactly like
what Kevin is probably currently doing for whatever mail address you
decided to use for Discourse replies.
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>>
>>> * Decide on the migration path. See below
>>>
>>> * Decide if we migrate only users or also devs. FTM I suggest that we do only
users and see how it goes and if we’re happy we can decide to move devs data too.
>>>
>>> Migration Path
>>> ============
>>>
>>> I propose the following:
>>>
>>> * On a given date that we advertise on the users list, we configure this list
to be readonly and not allow more posts. We invite users to register on our discourse
instance and use that.
>>> * We don’t import our archives since it’s complex
(https://meta.discourse.org/t/howto-import-mbox-mailing-list-files/51233) and there’s not
a perfect mapping. We can always do that in the future if someone really wants to work on
that.
>>> * We create a markmail user in our discourse instance and configure it to
receive all posts. We set its email address to be users(a)xwiki.org and we configure the
users list to accept mail from our discourse instance. This allows to keep having a place
where we can search in all places by using markmail. Incidentally this also means that
nabble and gmane will continue to archive our mails which is nice.
>>>
>>> WDYT?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 24 Feb 2017, at 12:18, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi devs,
>>>>
>>>> I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing
list and instead to use the Discourse open source tool:
>>>>
>>>> * Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
>>>> * License: GPL v2
>>>> * FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
>>>> * Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
>>>>
>>>> What is especially interesting for us:
>>>> * It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to
the forum).
>>>> * Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check
the gradle instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
>>>>
>>>> Nice things:
>>>> * Works on mobile
>>>> * Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
>>>> * Badges/user metrics
>>>>
>>>> So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an
instance.
>>>>
>>>> WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
>>>>
>>>> Please cast your votes!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -Vincent
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thomas Mortagne
>
--
Thomas Mortagne
4:35 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Move from our mailing lists and use Discourse instead
On 28 Apr 2017, at 16:29, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
The archive and the mail address are two different things. It's not
because users(a)xwiki.org is redirected to something else that the old
mailman archive is not accessible anymore, it's just a web page.
I'm not proposing to replace discourse-replies(a)xwiki.org here. Again
the idea is to have mails sent to users(a)xwiki.org create new topics on
Discourse instead of returning errors, nothing else, mailman won't
accept any registration and it won't sent any mail anymore.
So if I understand you’re proposing to:
1) Decommission the users(a)xwiki.org route since right now it leads to mailman in the
infra
2) Make users(a)xwiki.org an alias for discourse-replies(a)xwiki.org
You still haven’t replied to me how the list user inside discourse will be able to post to
the users mailing list if we decommission the users(a)xwiki.org that goes to the users list.
You’re proposing to create a new route to the users list for that?
Thanks
-Vincent
On 28 Apr 2017, at 16:05, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
I’m not sure I understand. If the idea is to use users(a)xwiki.org instead of
discourse-replies(a)xwiki.org then yes it’s possible but this means the user list is no
longer accessible, even in readonly (we need to configure mailman and mail servers inside
XWiki SAS to not go to mailman)
> On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:55, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:49, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>>> Status
>>>> ======
>>>>
>>>> So I’ve progressed in this with Kevin (who’s an infra admin at XWiki
SAS).
>>>>
>>>> We now have an instance ready.
>>>>
>>>> What’s left to do:
>>>>
>>>> * Configure reply by email. I’m currently trying to do that with Kevin.
The principle is that you receive mail from discourse and we set in discourse a reply-to
email address so that when you reply to the mail, it goes to a mail inbox somewhere (some
gmail account for example). Then discourse is configured to check (using POP3, they don’t
seem to support IMAP ATM) that inbox and to process mails found in it and update the
topics. Note that even if we don’t configure this, users can still receive emails for all
posts but they will just need to click on the link to go the webpage and answer. It’s not
the end of the world either.
>>>
>>> Does it also support starting new discussion by mail or only reply ?
>>
>> It seems so:
>>
>> " You can start topics, reply to topics, have a mailing list mode where you
get an email per post on the forum or post on the category.
>>
>> Longer term we plan to add some "secret commands" that allow you to
like a post or flag a post via email.
>>
>> Overall mailing list parity is pretty high here and we support a bunch of stuff
mailing lists do not.”
>>
>> From https://meta.discourse.org/t/start-a-new-topic-via-email/12477/6
>
> In that case another idea for the migration would be to make Discourse
> monitor users(a)xwiki.org instead of making it readonly.
I thought about this but AFAIU this wouldn’t work.
The email address used to reply to posts is of the form:
<prefix>+<topickey>@<domain name>
For example: discourse-replies+XXXXX(a)xwiki.org
For replies sure but for new topics ?
> and we cannot have a special list user inside discourse posting to the user list and
thus we won’t have markmail/nabble/gmane/etc archiving the new posts
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>>
>>>
>>> So I don’t think it would work to POP users(a)xwiki.org (and we don’t have a
POP-able inbox for users mail either AFAIK).
>>
>> This is not really an issue. You just need to setup a regular mail
>> account behind users(a)xwiki.org instead of a mailing list, exactly like
>> what Kevin is probably currently doing for whatever mail address you
>> decided to use for Discourse replies.
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Decide on the migration path. See below
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Decide if we migrate only users or also devs. FTM I suggest
that we do only users and see how it goes and if we’re happy we can decide to move devs
data too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Migration Path
>>>>>>> ============
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I propose the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * On a given date that we advertise on the users list, we
configure this list to be readonly and not allow more posts. We invite users to register
on our discourse instance and use that.
>>>>>>> * We don’t import our archives since it’s complex
(https://meta.discourse.org/t/howto-import-mbox-mailing-list-files/51233) and there’s not
a perfect mapping. We can always do that in the future if someone really wants to work on
that.
>>>>>>> * We create a markmail user in our discourse instance and
configure it to receive all posts. We set its email address to be users(a)xwiki.org and we
configure the users list to accept mail from our discourse instance. This allows to keep
having a place where we can search in all places by using markmail. Incidentally this also
means that nabble and gmane will continue to archive our mails which is nice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24 Feb 2017, at 12:18, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi devs,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and
devs mailing list and instead to use the Discourse open source tool:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
>>>>>>>> * License: GPL v2
>>>>>>>> * FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
>>>>>>>> * Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is especially interesting for us:
>>>>>>>> * It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and
send mails to the forum).
>>>>>>>> * Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life
instance, check the gradle instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nice things:
>>>>>>>> * Works on mobile
>>>>>>>> * Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with
xwiki.org)
>>>>>>>> * Badges/user metrics
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they
could host an instance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please cast your votes!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> -Vincent
5:02 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Move from our mailing lists and use Discourse instead
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
The idea is only to not loose all the mails sent to users(a)xwiki.org,
as I said mailman would not do anything anymore so the old mailing
list won't exist from mail server point of view. If you want to
receive mails you will need to tell Discourse to send them to you I
guess. Maybe Discourse can do more (like some way import mail
addresses from mailman) I don't know, I'm not the one proposing to use
it :)
On 28 Apr 2017, at 16:29, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
The archive and the mail address are two different things. It's not
because users(a)xwiki.org is redirected to something else that the old
mailman archive is not accessible anymore, it's just a web page.
I'm not proposing to replace discourse-replies(a)xwiki.org here. Again
the idea is to have mails sent to users(a)xwiki.org create new topics on
Discourse instead of returning errors, nothing else, mailman won't
accept any registration and it won't sent any mail anymore.
So if I understand you’re proposing to:
1) Decommission the users(a)xwiki.org route since right now it leads to mailman in the
infra
2) Make users(a)xwiki.org an alias for discourse-replies(a)xwiki.org
You still haven’t replied to me how the list user inside discourse will be able to post
to the users mailing list if we decommission the users(a)xwiki.org that goes to the users
list. You’re proposing to create a new route to the users list for that? On 28 Apr 2017, at 16:05, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>
>> On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:55, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:49, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>>>>> Status
>>>>> ======
>>>>>
>>>>> So I’ve progressed in this with Kevin (who’s an infra admin at XWiki
SAS).
>>>>>
>>>>> We now have an instance ready.
>>>>>
>>>>> What’s left to do:
>>>>>
>>>>> * Configure reply by email. I’m currently trying to do that with
Kevin. The principle is that you receive mail from discourse and we set in discourse a
reply-to email address so that when you reply to the mail, it goes to a mail inbox
somewhere (some gmail account for example). Then discourse is configured to check (using
POP3, they don’t seem to support IMAP ATM) that inbox and to process mails found in it and
update the topics. Note that even if we don’t configure this, users can still receive
emails for all posts but they will just need to click on the link to go the webpage and
answer. It’s not the end of the world either.
>>>>
>>>> Does it also support starting new discussion by mail or only reply ?
>>>
>>> It seems so:
>>>
>>> " You can start topics, reply to topics, have a mailing list mode where
you get an email per post on the forum or post on the category.
>>>
>>> Longer term we plan to add some "secret commands" that allow you to
like a post or flag a post via email.
>>>
>>> Overall mailing list parity is pretty high here and we support a bunch of
stuff mailing lists do not.”
>>>
>>> From https://meta.discourse.org/t/start-a-new-topic-via-email/12477/6
>>
>> In that case another idea for the migration would be to make Discourse
>> monitor users(a)xwiki.org instead of making it readonly.
>
> I thought about this but AFAIU this wouldn’t work.
>
> The email address used to reply to posts is of the form:
>
> <prefix>+<topickey>@<domain name>
>
> For example: discourse-replies+XXXXX(a)xwiki.org
For replies sure but for new topics ?
I’m not sure I understand. If the idea is to use users(a)xwiki.org instead of
discourse-replies(a)xwiki.org then yes it’s possible but this means the user list is no
longer accessible, even in readonly (we need to configure mailman and mail servers inside
XWiki SAS to not go to mailman)
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne
> and we cannot have a special list user inside discourse posting to the user list and
thus we won’t have markmail/nabble/gmane/etc archiving the new posts
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>>
>>>
>>> So I don’t think it would work to POP users(a)xwiki.org (and we don’t have a
POP-able inbox for users mail either AFAIK).
>>
>> This is not really an issue. You just need to setup a regular mail
>> account behind users(a)xwiki.org instead of a mailing list, exactly like
>> what Kevin is probably currently doing for whatever mail address you
>> decided to use for Discourse replies.
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Decide on the migration path. See below
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Decide if we migrate only users or also devs. FTM I suggest
that we do only users and see how it goes and if we’re happy we can decide to move devs
data too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Migration Path
>>>>>>> ============
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I propose the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * On a given date that we advertise on the users list, we
configure this list to be readonly and not allow more posts. We invite users to register
on our discourse instance and use that.
>>>>>>> * We don’t import our archives since it’s complex
(https://meta.discourse.org/t/howto-import-mbox-mailing-list-files/51233) and there’s not
a perfect mapping. We can always do that in the future if someone really wants to work on
that.
>>>>>>> * We create a markmail user in our discourse instance and
configure it to receive all posts. We set its email address to be users(a)xwiki.org and we
configure the users list to accept mail from our discourse instance. This allows to keep
having a place where we can search in all places by using markmail. Incidentally this also
means that nabble and gmane will continue to archive our mails which is nice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24 Feb 2017, at 12:18, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi devs,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and
devs mailing list and instead to use the Discourse open source tool:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
>>>>>>>> * License: GPL v2
>>>>>>>> * FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
>>>>>>>> * Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is especially interesting for us:
>>>>>>>> * It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and
send mails to the forum).
>>>>>>>> * Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life
instance, check the gradle instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nice things:
>>>>>>>> * Works on mobile
>>>>>>>> * Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with
xwiki.org)
>>>>>>>> * Badges/user metrics
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they
could host an instance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please cast your votes!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> -Vincent
3:56 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Move from our mailing lists and use Discourse instead
On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:53, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
And https://meta.discourse.org/t/start-a-new-topic-via-email/12477/22?u=vmassol
(apparently each category can provide an email address)
Thanks
-Vincent
On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:49, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
It seems so:
" You can start topics, reply to topics, have a mailing list mode where you get an
email per post on the forum or post on the category.
Longer term we plan to add some "secret commands" that allow you to like a post
or flag a post via email.
Overall mailing list parity is pretty high here and we support a bunch of stuff mailing
lists do not.”
From https://meta.discourse.org/t/start-a-new-topic-via-email/12477/6 Status
======
So I’ve progressed in this with Kevin (who’s an infra admin at XWiki SAS).
We now have an instance ready.
What’s left to do:
* Configure reply by email. I’m currently trying to do that with Kevin. The principle is
that you receive mail from discourse and we set in discourse a reply-to email address so
that when you reply to the mail, it goes to a mail inbox somewhere (some gmail account for
example). Then discourse is configured to check (using POP3, they don’t seem to support
IMAP ATM) that inbox and to process mails found in it and update the topics. Note that
even if we don’t configure this, users can still receive emails for all posts but they
will just need to click on the link to go the webpage and answer. It’s not the end of the
world either.
Does it also support starting new discussion by mail or only reply ?
Thanks
-Vincent
* Decide on the migration path. See below
* Decide if we migrate only users or also devs. FTM I suggest that we do only users and
see how it goes and if we’re happy we can decide to move devs data too.
Migration Path
============
I propose the following:
* On a given date that we advertise on the users list, we configure this list to be
readonly and not allow more posts. We invite users to register on our discourse instance
and use that.
* We don’t import our archives since it’s complex
(https://meta.discourse.org/t/howto-import-mbox-mailing-list-files/51233) and there’s not
a perfect mapping. We can always do that in the future if someone really wants to work on
that.
* We create a markmail user in our discourse instance and configure it to receive all
posts. We set its email address to be users(a)xwiki.org and we configure the users list to
accept mail from our discourse instance. This allows to keep having a place where we can
search in all places by using markmail. Incidentally this also means that nabble and gmane
will continue to archive our mails which is nice.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne On 24 Feb 2017, at 12:18, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing list and instead to
use the Discourse open source tool:
* Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
* License: GPL v2
* FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
* Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
What is especially interesting for us:
* It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to the forum).
* Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check the gradle
instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
Nice things:
* Works on mobile
* Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
* Badges/user metrics
So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an instance.
WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
Please cast your votes!
Thanks
-Vincent
5 May
5 May
6:35 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Move from our mailing lists and use Discourse instead
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Status
======
So I’ve progressed in this with Kevin (who’s an infra admin at XWiki SAS).
We now have an instance ready.
What’s left to do:
* Configure reply by email. I’m currently trying to do that with Kevin.
The principle is that you receive mail from discourse and we set in
discourse a reply-to email address so that when you reply to the mail, it
goes to a mail inbox somewhere (some gmail account for example). Then
discourse is configured to check (using POP3, they don’t seem to support
IMAP ATM) that inbox and to process mails found in it and update the
topics. Note that even if we don’t configure this, users can still receive
emails for all posts but they will just need to click on the link to go the
webpage and answer. It’s not the end of the world either.
* Decide on the migration path. See below
* Decide if we migrate only users or also devs. FTM I suggest that we do
only users and see how it goes and if we’re happy we can decide to move
devs data too.
ok
Migration Path
============
I propose the following:
* On a given date that we advertise on the users list, we configure this
list to be readonly and not allow more posts. We invite users to register
on our discourse instance and use that.
we can have a transitional period and not make it readonly immediate after
the announcement.
* We don’t import our archives since it’s complex (
https://meta.discourse.org/t/howto-import-mbox-mailing-list-files/51233)
and there’s not a perfect mapping. We can always do that in the future if
someone really wants to work on that.
* We create a markmail user in our discourse instance and configure it to
receive all posts. We set its email address to be users(a)xwiki.org and we
configure the users list to accept mail from our discourse instance. This
allows to keep having a place where we can search in all places by using
markmail. Incidentally this also means that nabble and gmane will continue
to archive our mails which is nice.
ok, because of the searching all part.
Thanks,
Caty
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
On 24 Feb 2017, at 12:18, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing
list and
instead to use the Discourse open source tool:
* Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
* License: GPL v2
* FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
* Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
What is especially interesting for us:
* It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to
the
forum).
* Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real
life instance, check
the gradle instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
Nice things:
* Works on mobile
* Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
* Badges/user metrics
So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an
instance.
WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
Please cast your votes!
Thanks
-Vincent
15 May
15 May
3:44 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Move from our mailing lists and use Discourse instead
Hi devs,
New status as of 15 May 2017:
* Categories created, see https://discourse.xwiki.org/
* Still missing ability to reply by mail (waiting for Kevin on this). Since I have no idea
when this can be implemented, I think we shouldn’t block on this to get started
* I’ve created a discourse user with an email of users(a)xwiki.org so that we can continue
archiving everything posted on discourse.
In short we’re ready to start using discourse.xwiki.org.
So what I propose now is that:
1) I document it on http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/MailingLists. I’ll also
rename the page to http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Discuss (with a
redirect).
2) I send a mail to users & devs @xwiki.org to announce the new forum.
3) After 1-2 days, I’ll configure the users @ xwiki.org mailing list to reject all posts
with a message explaining the move to the forum.
Ok with everyone?
Thanks
-Vincent
On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:43, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Status
======
So I’ve progressed in this with Kevin (who’s an infra admin at XWiki SAS).
We now have an instance ready.
What’s left to do:
* Configure reply by email. I’m currently trying to do that with Kevin. The principle is
that you receive mail from discourse and we set in discourse a reply-to email address so
that when you reply to the mail, it goes to a mail inbox somewhere (some gmail account for
example). Then discourse is configured to check (using POP3, they don’t seem to support
IMAP ATM) that inbox and to process mails found in it and update the topics. Note that
even if we don’t configure this, users can still receive emails for all posts but they
will just need to click on the link to go the webpage and answer. It’s not the end of the
world either.
* Decide on the migration path. See below
* Decide if we migrate only users or also devs. FTM I suggest that we do only users and
see how it goes and if we’re happy we can decide to move devs data too.
Migration Path
============
I propose the following:
* On a given date that we advertise on the users list, we configure this list to be
readonly and not allow more posts. We invite users to register on our discourse instance
and use that.
* We don’t import our archives since it’s complex
(https://meta.discourse.org/t/howto-import-mbox-mailing-list-files/51233) and there’s not
a perfect mapping. We can always do that in the future if someone really wants to work on
that.
* We create a markmail user in our discourse instance and configure it to receive all
posts. We set its email address to be users(a)xwiki.org and we configure the users list to
accept mail from our discourse instance. This allows to keep having a place where we can
search in all places by using markmail. Incidentally this also means that nabble and gmane
will continue to archive our mails which is nice.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
On 24 Feb 2017, at 12:18, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing list and instead to
use the Discourse open source tool:
* Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
* License: GPL v2
* FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
* Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
What is especially interesting for us:
* It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to the forum).
* Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check the gradle
instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
Nice things:
* Works on mobile
* Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
* Badges/user metrics
So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an instance.
WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
Please cast your votes!
Thanks
-Vincent
3:50 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Move from our mailing lists and use Discourse instead
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
New status as of 15 May 2017:
* Categories created, see https://discourse.xwiki.org/
* Still missing ability to reply by mail (waiting for Kevin on this). Since I have no
idea when this can be implemented, I think we shouldn’t block on this to get started
* I’ve created a discourse user with an email of users(a)xwiki.org so that we can continue
archiving everything posted on discourse.
In short we’re ready to start using discourse.xwiki.org.
So what I propose now is that:
1) I document it on http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/MailingLists. I’ll also
rename the page to http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Discuss (with a
redirect).
Should also probably redirect
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Forum to
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Discuss.
2) I send a mail to users & devs @xwiki.org to
announce the new forum.
3) After 1-2 days, I’ll configure the users @ xwiki.org mailing list to reject all posts
with a message explaining the move to the forum.
Ok with everyone?
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne
On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:43, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Status
======
So I’ve progressed in this with Kevin (who’s an infra admin at XWiki SAS).
We now have an instance ready.
What’s left to do:
* Configure reply by email. I’m currently trying to do that with Kevin. The principle is
that you receive mail from discourse and we set in discourse a reply-to email address so
that when you reply to the mail, it goes to a mail inbox somewhere (some gmail account for
example). Then discourse is configured to check (using POP3, they don’t seem to support
IMAP ATM) that inbox and to process mails found in it and update the topics. Note that
even if we don’t configure this, users can still receive emails for all posts but they
will just need to click on the link to go the webpage and answer. It’s not the end of the
world either.
* Decide on the migration path. See below
* Decide if we migrate only users or also devs. FTM I suggest that we do only users and
see how it goes and if we’re happy we can decide to move devs data too.
Migration Path
============
I propose the following:
* On a given date that we advertise on the users list, we configure this list to be
readonly and not allow more posts. We invite users to register on our discourse instance
and use that.
* We don’t import our archives since it’s complex
(https://meta.discourse.org/t/howto-import-mbox-mailing-list-files/51233) and there’s not
a perfect mapping. We can always do that in the future if someone really wants to work on
that.
* We create a markmail user in our discourse instance and configure it to receive all
posts. We set its email address to be users(a)xwiki.org and we configure the users list to
accept mail from our discourse instance. This allows to keep having a place where we can
search in all places by using markmail. Incidentally this also means that nabble and gmane
will continue to archive our mails which is nice.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
On 24 Feb 2017, at 12:18, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing list and instead to
use the Discourse open source tool:
* Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
* License: GPL v2
* FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
* Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
What is especially interesting for us:
* It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to the forum).
* Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check the gradle
instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
Nice things:
* Works on mobile
* Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
* Badges/user metrics
So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an instance.
WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
Please cast your votes!
Thanks
-Vincent
3:56 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Move from our mailing lists and use Discourse instead
I'm fine by the way, hope we'll have answer by mail quickly. The most
important for me is to receive mails so that I don't miss
conversations and that part is working well as far as I can see.
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
--
Thomas Mortagne
Hi devs,
New status as of 15 May 2017:
* Categories created, see https://discourse.xwiki.org/
* Still missing ability to reply by mail (waiting for Kevin on this). Since I have no
idea when this can be implemented, I think we shouldn’t block on this to get started
* I’ve created a discourse user with an email of users(a)xwiki.org so that we can continue
archiving everything posted on discourse.
In short we’re ready to start using discourse.xwiki.org.
So what I propose now is that:
1) I document it on http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/MailingLists. I’ll also
rename the page to http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Discuss (with a
redirect).
Should also probably redirect
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Forum to
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Discuss.
2) I send a mail to users & devs @xwiki.org
to announce the new forum.
3) After 1-2 days, I’ll configure the users @ xwiki.org mailing list to reject all posts
with a message explaining the move to the forum.
Ok with everyone?
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:43, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Status
======
So I’ve progressed in this with Kevin (who’s an infra admin at XWiki SAS).
We now have an instance ready.
What’s left to do:
* Configure reply by email. I’m currently trying to do that with Kevin. The principle is
that you receive mail from discourse and we set in discourse a reply-to email address so
that when you reply to the mail, it goes to a mail inbox somewhere (some gmail account for
example). Then discourse is configured to check (using POP3, they don’t seem to support
IMAP ATM) that inbox and to process mails found in it and update the topics. Note that
even if we don’t configure this, users can still receive emails for all posts but they
will just need to click on the link to go the webpage and answer. It’s not the end of the
world either.
* Decide on the migration path. See below
* Decide if we migrate only users or also devs. FTM I suggest that we do only users and
see how it goes and if we’re happy we can decide to move devs data too.
Migration Path
============
I propose the following:
* On a given date that we advertise on the users list, we configure this list to be
readonly and not allow more posts. We invite users to register on our discourse instance
and use that.
* We don’t import our archives since it’s complex
(https://meta.discourse.org/t/howto-import-mbox-mailing-list-files/51233) and there’s not
a perfect mapping. We can always do that in the future if someone really wants to work on
that.
* We create a markmail user in our discourse instance and configure it to receive all
posts. We set its email address to be users(a)xwiki.org and we configure the users list to
accept mail from our discourse instance. This allows to keep having a place where we can
search in all places by using markmail. Incidentally this also means that nabble and gmane
will continue to archive our mails which is nice.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
On 24 Feb 2017, at 12:18, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing list and instead to
use the Discourse open source tool:
* Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
* License: GPL v2
* FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
* Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
What is especially interesting for us:
* It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to the forum).
* Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check the gradle
instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
Nice things:
* Works on mobile
* Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
* Badges/user metrics
So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an instance.
WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
Please cast your votes!
Thanks
-Vincent
4:14 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Move from our mailing lists and use Discourse instead
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
New status as of 15 May 2017:
* Categories created, see https://discourse.xwiki.org/
* Still missing ability to reply by mail (waiting for Kevin on this).
Since I have no idea when this can be implemented, I think we shouldn’t
block on this to get started
* I’ve created a discourse user with an email of users(a)xwiki.org so that
we can continue archiving everything posted on discourse.
In short we’re ready to start using discourse.xwiki.org.
So what I propose now is that:
1) I document it on http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/
MailingLists. I’ll also rename the page to http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/
bin/view/Community/Discuss (with a redirect).
2) I send a mail to users & devs @xwiki.org to announce the new forum.
3) After 1-2 days, I’ll configure the users @ xwiki.org mailing list to
reject all posts with a message explaining the move to the forum.
Ok with everyone?
+1
Thanks,
Caty
Thanks
-Vincent
On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:43, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Status
======
So I’ve progressed in this with Kevin (who’s an infra admin at XWiki
SAS).
We now have an instance ready.
What’s left to do:
* Configure reply by email. I’m currently trying to do that with Kevin.
The
principle is that you receive mail from discourse and we set in
discourse a reply-to email address so that when you reply to the mail, it
goes to a mail inbox somewhere (some gmail account for example). Then
discourse is configured to check (using POP3, they don’t seem to support
IMAP ATM) that inbox and to process mails found in it and update the
topics. Note that even if we don’t configure this, users can still receive
emails for all posts but they will just need to click on the link to go the
webpage and answer. It’s not the end of the world either.
* Decide on the migration path. See below
* Decide if we migrate only users or also devs. FTM I suggest that we do
only
users and see how it goes and if we’re happy we can decide to move
devs data too.
Migration Path
============
I propose the following:
* On a given date that we advertise on the users list, we configure this
list to
be readonly and not allow more posts. We invite users to register
on our discourse instance and use that.
* We don’t import our archives since it’s complex
(
https://meta.discourse.org/t/howto-import-mbox-mailing-list-files/51233)
and there’s not a perfect mapping. We can always do that in the future if
someone really wants to work on that.
* We create a markmail user in our discourse
instance and configure it
to receive all posts. We set its email address to be
users(a)xwiki.org and
we configure the users list to accept mail from our discourse instance.
This allows to keep having a place where we can search in all places by
using markmail. Incidentally this also means that nabble and gmane will
continue to archive our mails which is nice.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
> On 24 Feb 2017, at 12:18, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>
> Hi devs,
>
> I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing
list and
instead to use the Discourse open source tool:
>
> * Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
> * License: GPL v2
> * FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
> * Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
>
> What is especially interesting for us:
> * It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to
the
forum).
> * Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a
real life instance, check
the gradle instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
>
> Nice things:
> * Works on mobile
> * Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
> * Badges/user metrics
>
> So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an
instance.
WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
Please cast your votes!
Thanks
-Vincent
5 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Move from our mailing lists and use Discourse instead
On 15 May 2017, at 15:44, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
New status as of 15 May 2017:
* Categories created, see https://discourse.xwiki.org/
* Still missing ability to reply by mail (waiting for Kevin on this). Since I have no
idea when this can be implemented, I think we shouldn’t block on this to get started
* I’ve created a discourse user with an email of users(a)xwiki.org so that we can continue
archiving everything posted on discourse.
In short we’re ready to start using discourse.xwiki.org.
So what I propose now is that:
1) I document it on http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/MailingLists. I’ll also
rename the page to http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Discuss (with a
redirect).
Done.
I’ve also redirected http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Forum to
https://discourse.xwiki.org.
Note: I’ve asked xwiki sas infra to create https://forum.xwiki.org.
2) I send a mail to users & devs @xwiki.org to
announce the new forum.
Doing in a few minutes.
3) After 1-2 days, I’ll configure the users @
xwiki.org mailing list to reject all posts with a message explaining the move to the
forum.
Ok with everyone?
Keep the feedback coming! :)
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks
-Vincent
On 28 Apr 2017, at 15:43, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Status
======
So I’ve progressed in this with Kevin (who’s an infra admin at XWiki SAS).
We now have an instance ready.
What’s left to do:
* Configure reply by email. I’m currently trying to do that with Kevin. The principle is
that you receive mail from discourse and we set in discourse a reply-to email address so
that when you reply to the mail, it goes to a mail inbox somewhere (some gmail account for
example). Then discourse is configured to check (using POP3, they don’t seem to support
IMAP ATM) that inbox and to process mails found in it and update the topics. Note that
even if we don’t configure this, users can still receive emails for all posts but they
will just need to click on the link to go the webpage and answer. It’s not the end of the
world either.
* Decide on the migration path. See below
* Decide if we migrate only users or also devs. FTM I suggest that we do only users and
see how it goes and if we’re happy we can decide to move devs data too.
Migration Path
============
I propose the following:
* On a given date that we advertise on the users list, we configure this list to be
readonly and not allow more posts. We invite users to register on our discourse instance
and use that.
* We don’t import our archives since it’s complex
(https://meta.discourse.org/t/howto-import-mbox-mailing-list-files/51233) and there’s not
a perfect mapping. We can always do that in the future if someone really wants to work on
that.
* We create a markmail user in our discourse instance and configure it to receive all
posts. We set its email address to be users(a)xwiki.org and we configure the users list to
accept mail from our discourse instance. This allows to keep having a place where we can
search in all places by using markmail. Incidentally this also means that nabble and gmane
will continue to archive our mails which is nice.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
On 24 Feb 2017, at 12:18, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
I’m proposing to vote for moving away from our users and devs mailing list and instead to
use the Discourse open source tool:
* Home page: http://www.discourse.org/
* License: GPL v2
* FAQ: http://www.discourse.org/faq/
* Awesome feature list: http://www.discourse.org/about/
What is especially interesting for us:
* It works with mailing lists (you can receive mails and send mails to the forum).
* Works as a forum. BTW if you want to see a real life instance, check the gradle
instance at https://discuss.gradle.org/
Nice things:
* Works on mobile
* Comprehensive API (would allow us to integrate it with xwiki.org)
* Badges/user metrics
So here’s my +1 to try it out and ask XWiki SAS if they could host an instance.
WDYT? Do you see any negative point (I don’t ATM)? :)
Please cast your votes!
Thanks
-Vincent
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