6 Oct
2016
6 Oct
'16
3:32 p.m.
Hi,
A simple change that could improve the experience for newcomers would be
that the default Admin user to have a simple type.
One of the problems new users have is that they have too many options in
the Edit menu and this can be confusing.
The downside is that it will add an additional step for developers/testers
to change the user type back (or at least until we provide a Developer
user/profile).
Also we would need to make sure the documentation is up to date and fix the
tests.
WDTY?
I've created http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XE-1580
Thanks,
Caty
6 Oct
6 Oct
3:45 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UX] Change the user type for the Admin user to 'simple'
On 06 Oct 2016, at 15:32, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
A simple change that could improve the experience for newcomers would be
that the default Admin user to have a simple type.
One of the problems new users have is that they have too many options in
the Edit menu and this can be confusing.
The downside is that it will add an additional step for developers/testers
to change the user type back (or at least until we provide a Developer
user/profile).
Also we would need to make sure the documentation is up to date and fix the
tests.
WDTY?
+1 I think this is an important change that is simple to make and that’ll remove confusion
for newcomers.
Side note/wish: I’d love a shortcut key that you’d press to make the current user advanced
+ show hidden docs. And if you press it again it does the opposite.
Thanks
-Vincent
I've created http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XE-1580
Thanks,
Caty
17 Oct
17 Oct
12:38 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UX] Change the user type for the Admin user to 'simple'
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com
wrote:
Hi,
A simple change that could improve the experience for newcomers would be
that the default Admin user to have a simple type.
One of the problems new users have is that they have too many options in
the Edit menu and this can be confusing.
The downside is that it will add an additional step for developers/testers
to change the user type back (or at least until we provide a Developer
user/profile).
Also we would need to make sure the documentation is up to date and fix the
tests.
WDTY?
You're talking about the jetty+hsqldb distribution (the "ZIP Package"
available on the download page)? Is this the most used / downloaded
distribution? Because the other distributions don't have the Admin user,
see
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/DistributionWizard#HAdmin…
.
Thanks,
Marius
I've created http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XE-1580
Thanks,
Caty
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New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UX] Change the user type for the Admin user to 'simple'
On 17 Oct 2016, at 12:38, Marius Dumitru Florea
<mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com
Is the Admin user that is created a simple user?
Two options:
1) either he is, in which case this gives another argument for creating the Admin user as
a simple user for the HSQLDB/Jetty packaging
2) either he’s not (ie he’s created as an advanced one) and in this case we should fix
that in 2 places (in the HSLQDB/Jetty packaging + in the code that creates the Admin user
for the other packagins).
Thanks
-Vincent
wrote:
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com
wrote:
Hi,
A simple change that could improve the experience for newcomers would be
that the default Admin user to have a simple type.
One of the problems new users have is that they have too many options in
the Edit menu and this can be confusing.
The downside is that it will add an additional step for developers/testers
to change the user type back (or at least until we provide a Developer
user/profile).
Also we would need to make sure the documentation is up to date and fix the
tests.
WDTY?
You're talking about the jetty+hsqldb distribution (the "ZIP Package"
available on the download page)? Is this the most used / downloaded
distribution? Because the other distributions don't have the Admin user,
see
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/DistributionWizard#HAdmin…
. Thanks,
Marius
>
> I've created http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XE-1580
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
21 Nov
21 Nov
3:17 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UX] Change the user type for the Admin user to 'simple'
Vincent: why not introducing a "Developer" user, in addition of the
"Admin", in the Jetty/HSQLDB package? It could even be done on snapshot
versions only, since this is what developers use the most.
I'm not in favor of introducing a shortcut key because it would concern
every users who might engage the shortcut by mistake, resulting in a WTF
effect. Moreover, we already have too many shortcuts IMO, and they can be
in conflict with browser's ones (think Ctrl+G for example).
I believe a "Developer" user is what we really need.
Thanks,
2016-10-17 13:52 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
developers/testers
DistributionWizard#HAdminuser
--
Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
On 17 Oct 2016, at 12:38, Marius Dumitru Florea
<
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> A simple change that could improve the experience for newcomers would be
> that the default Admin user to have a simple type.
>
> One of the problems new users have is that they have too many options in
> the Edit menu and this can be confusing.
>
> The downside is that it will add an additional step for > to change the user type back (or at least
until we provide a Developer
> user/profile).
>
> Also we would need to make sure the documentation is up to date and fix
the
tests.
WDTY?
You're talking about the jetty+hsqldb distribution (the "ZIP Package"
available on the download page)? Is this the most used / downloaded
distribution? Because the other distributions don't have the Admin user,
see
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/ .
Is the Admin user that is created a simple user?
Two options:
1) either he is, in which case this gives another argument for creating
the Admin user as a simple user for the HSQLDB/Jetty packaging
2) either he’s not (ie he’s created as an advanced one) and in this case
we should fix that in 2 places (in the HSLQDB/Jetty packaging + in the code
that creates the Admin user for the other packagins).
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Marius
>
> I've created http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XE-1580
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
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28 Nov
28 Nov
1:04 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] Ability to show/hide documents quickly (was Re: [Proposal][UX] Change the user type for the Admin user to 'simple')
Hi Guillaume,
Note that I’ve renamed the thread since this is hijacking the original thread.
I just raised this point as a side note. Didn’t meant to discuss it in this thread
originally.
For context, Guillaume is replying to:
“
Side note/wish: I’d love a shortcut key that you’d press to make the current user advanced
+ show hidden docs. And if you press it again it does the opposite.
“
On 21 Nov 2016, at 15:17, Guillaume Delhumeau
<guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Vincent: why not introducing a "Developer" user, in addition of the
"Admin", in the Jetty/HSQLDB package? It could even be done on snapshot
versions only, since this is what developers use the most.
I don’t like this option at all.
Several users have asked about showing hidden docs. This is a common use case and it’s not
a “developer”’ feature IMO. It’s actually not a feature for any category of users (user,
admin, developer) but more a feature for advanced users. Some users have asked for this in
jira or the list (for example one use case that was asked was to be able to click on a
filter/link/button when on AllDocs page to list all pages displayed in the LT).
I'm not in favor of introducing a shortcut key
because it would concern
every users who might engage the shortcut by mistake, resulting in a WTF
effect.
I disagree. Shortcuts need to be a combination of keys so that they cannot be done by
mistake ofc. All apps have tons of shortkeys. Why is that? Because they’re useful! :)
Moreover, we already have too many shortcuts IMO, and
they can be
in conflict with browser's ones (think Ctrl+G for example).
I disagree that we have too many shortcuts. Quite the opposite, I’d love to have a lot
more. For ex in order to be able to navigate quickly (navigate to home, navigate to
alldocs page, etc).
I believe a "Developer" user is what we
really need.
Actually that wouldn’t solve the problem I had either since it would mean having to
navigate to the user profile, make the change, go back to where you were, check the hidden
docs, then go back again to your user profile, put back the profile again and navigate
back… Doesn’t work!
I’m 100% sure that we need a shortcut for this (ie an advanced feature) but we could also
need something more visible (I’m not saying that a shortcut is enough but for me it’s the
minimum).
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
2016-10-17 13:52 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
>
>> On 17 Oct 2016, at 12:38, Marius Dumitru Florea <
> mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> valicac(a)gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> A simple change that could improve the experience for newcomers would be
>>> that the default Admin user to have a simple type.
>>>
>>> One of the problems new users have is that they have too many options in
>>> the Edit menu and this can be confusing.
>>>
>>> The downside is that it will add an additional step for
> developers/testers
>>> to change the user type back (or at least until we provide a Developer
>>> user/profile).
>>>
>>> Also we would need to make sure the documentation is up to date and fix
> the
>>> tests.
>>>
>>> WDTY?
>>>
>>
>> You're talking about the jetty+hsqldb distribution (the "ZIP
Package"
>> available on the download page)? Is this the most used / downloaded
>> distribution? Because the other distributions don't have the Admin user,
>> see
>> http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/
> DistributionWizard#HAdminuser
>> .
>
> Is the Admin user that is created a simple user?
>
> Two options:
> 1) either he is, in which case this gives another argument for creating
> the Admin user as a simple user for the HSQLDB/Jetty packaging
> 2) either he’s not (ie he’s created as an advanced one) and in this case
> we should fix that in 2 places (in the HSLQDB/Jetty packaging + in the code
> that creates the Admin user for the other packagins).
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> Thanks,
>> Marius
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I've created http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XE-1580
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Caty
>
2:08 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] Ability to show/hide documents quickly (was Re: [Proposal][UX] Change the user type for the Admin user to 'simple')
2016-11-28 13:04 GMT+01:00 Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
Of course the "Developer" user would have the "show hidden docs"
option
enabled, and would be an "advanced user", so all you would have to do is to
log-in as "Developer".
Hi Guillaume,
Note that I’ve renamed the thread since this is hijacking the original
thread.
I just raised this point as a side note. Didn’t meant to discuss it in
this thread originally.
For context, Guillaume is replying to:
“
Side note/wish: I’d love a shortcut key that you’d press to make the
current user advanced + show hidden docs. And if you press it again it does
the opposite.
“
So do you think the "show hidden docs" shortcut would be enabled only for
advanced users? Since we want "Admin" to not be an advanced user anymore,
the problem remains the same: you will have to go to the profile to enable
the options you want.
On 21 Nov 2016, at 15:17, Guillaume Delhumeau
<
guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Vincent: why not introducing a "Developer" user, in addition of the
"Admin", in the Jetty/HSQLDB package? It could even be done on snapshot
versions only, since this is what developers use the most.
I don’t like this option at all.
Several users have asked about showing hidden docs. This is a common use
case and it’s not a “developer”’ feature IMO. It’s actually not a feature
for any category of users (user, admin, developer) but more a feature for
advanced users. Some users have asked for this in jira or the list
(for example one use
case that was asked was to be able to click on a filter/link/button when on
AllDocs page to list all pages displayed in the LT).
On the search page, or in the Index pages, it makes sense indeed.
I'm not in favor of introducing a shortcut
key because it would concern
every users who might engage the shortcut by mistake, resulting in a WTF
effect.
I disagree. Shortcuts need to be a combination of keys so that they cannot
be done by mistake ofc. All apps have tons of shortkeys. Why is that?
Because they’re useful! :)
From my experience, it's true for native apps but
for web apps it's not
that common, especially since it can conflict with
browser's short keys.
But I can we wrong. Gmail have shortcuts, Facebook too.
Moreover, we already have too many shortcuts IMO,
and they can be
in conflict with browser's ones (think Ctrl+G for example).
I disagree that we have too many shortcuts. Quite the opposite, I’d love
to have a lot more. For ex in order to be able to navigate quickly
(navigate to home, navigate to alldocs page, etc).
I believe a "Developer" user is what we
really need.
Actually that wouldn’t solve the problem I had either since it would mean
having to navigate to the user profile, make the change, go back to where
you were, check the hidden docs, then go back again to your user profile,
put back the profile again and navigate back… Doesn’t work!
I’m 100% sure that we need a shortcut for this (ie an advanced feature)
but we could also need something more visible (I’m not saying that a
shortcut is enough but for me it’s the minimum).
Indeed the option must be visible on every pages so that user can discover
it along with its shortcut.
Thanks,
Guillaume
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
Thanks,
2016-10-17 13:52 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
>
>> On 17 Oct 2016, at 12:38, Marius Dumitru Florea <
> mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> valicac(a)gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> A simple change that could improve the experience for newcomers would
be
>>> that the default Admin user to have a
simple type.
>>>
>>> One of the problems new users have is that they have too many options
in
>>> the Edit menu and this can be
confusing.
>>>
>>> The downside is that it will add an additional step for
> developers/testers
>>> to change the user type back (or at least until we provide a Developer
>>> user/profile).
>>>
>>> Also we would need to make sure the documentation is up to date and
fix
> the
>>> tests.
>>>
>>> WDTY?
>>>
>>
>> You're talking about the jetty+hsqldb distribution (the "ZIP
Package"
>> available on the download page)? Is this the most used / downloaded
>> distribution? Because the other distributions don't have the Admin
user,
>> see
>> http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/
> DistributionWizard#HAdminuser
>> .
>
> Is the Admin user that is created a simple user?
>
> Two options:
> 1) either he is, in which case this gives another argument for creating
> the Admin user as a simple user for the HSQLDB/Jetty packaging
> 2) either he’s not (ie he’s created as an advanced one) and in this case
> we should fix that in 2 places (in the HSLQDB/Jetty packaging + in the
code
> that creates the Admin user for the other
packagins).
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> Thanks,
>> Marius
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I've created http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XE-1580
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Caty
>
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New subject: [xwiki-devs] Ability to show/hide documents quickly (was Re: [Proposal][UX] Change the user type for the Admin user to 'simple')
On 28 Nov 2016, at 14:08, Guillaume Delhumeau
<guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
2016-11-28 13:04 GMT+01:00 Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
No that shortcut would be enabled for anyone. Similar to Ctrl+G to navigate.
Hi Guillaume,
Note that I’ve renamed the thread since this is hijacking the original
thread.
I just raised this point as a side note. Didn’t meant to discuss it in
this thread originally.
For context, Guillaume is replying to:
“
Side note/wish: I’d love a shortcut key that you’d press to make the
current user advanced + show hidden docs. And if you press it again it does
the opposite.
“
So do you think the "show hidden docs" shortcut would be enabled only for
advanced users? Since we want "Admin" to not be an advanced user anymore,
the problem remains the same: you will have to go to the profile to enable
the options you want. On 21 Nov 2016, at 15:17, Guillaume Delhumeau
<
guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Vincent: why not introducing a "Developer" user, in addition of the
"Admin", in the Jetty/HSQLDB package? It could even be done on snapshot
versions only, since this is what developers use the most.
I don’t like this option at all.
Several users have asked about showing hidden docs. This is a common use
case and it’s not a “developer”’ feature IMO. It’s actually not a feature
for any category of users (user, admin, developer) but more a feature for
advanced users. Some users have asked for this in jira or the
list (for example one use
case that was asked was to be able to click on a filter/link/button when on
AllDocs page to list all pages displayed in the LT).
On the search page, or in the Index pages, it makes sense indeed.
I'm not in favor of introducing a shortcut
key because it would concern
every users who might engage the shortcut by mistake, resulting in a WTF
effect.
I disagree. Shortcuts need to be a combination of keys so that they cannot
be done by mistake ofc. All apps have tons of shortkeys. Why is that?
Because they’re useful! :)
Moreover, we already have too many shortcuts IMO,
and they can be
in conflict with browser's ones (think Ctrl+G for example).
I disagree that we have too many shortcuts. Quite the opposite, I’d love
to have a lot more. For ex in order to be able to navigate quickly
(navigate to home, navigate to alldocs page, etc).
I believe a "Developer" user is what we
really need.
Actually that wouldn’t solve the problem I had either since it would mean
having to navigate to the user profile, make the change, go back to where
you were, check the hidden docs, then go back again to your user profile,
put back the profile again and navigate back… Doesn’t work!
I’m 100% sure that we need a shortcut for this
(ie an advanced feature)
but we could also need something more visible (I’m not saying that a
shortcut is enough but for me it’s the minimum).
Indeed the option must be visible on every pages so that user can discover
it along with its shortcut. Thanks,
Guillaume
Thanks
-Vincent
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> 2016-10-17 13:52 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
>>
>>>
>>>> On 17 Oct 2016, at 12:38, Marius Dumitru Florea <
>>> mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
>>> valicac(a)gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> A simple change that could improve the experience for newcomers
would
> be
>>>>> that the default Admin user to have a simple type.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the problems new users have is that they have too many
options
> in
>>>>> the Edit menu and this can be confusing.
>>>>>
>>>>> The downside is that it will add an additional step for
>>> developers/testers
>>>>> to change the user type back (or at least until we provide a
Developer
>>>>> user/profile).
>>>>>
>>>>> Also we would need to make sure the documentation is up to date and
> fix
>>> the
>>>>> tests.
>>>>>
>>>>> WDTY?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're talking about the jetty+hsqldb distribution (the "ZIP
Package"
>>>> available on the download page)? Is this the most used / downloaded
>>>> distribution? Because the other distributions don't have the Admin
> user,
>>>> see
>>>> http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/
>>> DistributionWizard#HAdminuser
>>>> .
>>>
>>> Is the Admin user that is created a simple user?
>>>
>>> Two options:
>>> 1) either he is, in which case this gives another argument for creating
>>> the Admin user as a simple user for the HSQLDB/Jetty packaging
>>> 2) either he’s not (ie he’s created as an advanced one) and in this case
>>> we should fix that in 2 places (in the HSLQDB/Jetty packaging + in the
> code
>>> that creates the Admin user for the other packagins).
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Marius
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've created http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XE-1580
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Caty
4:18 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] Ability to show/hide documents quickly (was Re: [Proposal][UX] Change the user type for the Admin user to 'simple')
On 11/28/2016 09:35 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Of course the "Developer" user would have the "show hidden docs"
option
enabled, and would be an "advanced user", so all you would have to do is to
log-in as "Developer”.
Yes but Developers are not the only category of people who may need to see hidden docs
easily.
I don't quite agree. Why would a non-developer be interested in a code
page? I can think of three reasons:
- the page shouldn't have been hidden if users want to reach it
- the user is trying to change something in the code, which is actually
a developer task, so even if the user isn't an actual developer, he acts
as one temporarily
- the user is trying to adjust something, which means that there's a
configuration missing; still, I'd argue that this is also a developer task
--
Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu
I believe a
"Developer" user is what we really need.
Actually that wouldn’t solve the problem I had either since it would mean
having to navigate to the user profile, make the change, go back to where
you were, check the hidden docs, then go back again to your user profile,
put back the profile again and navigate back… Doesn’t work!
4:41 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] Ability to show/hide documents quickly (was Re: [Proposal][UX] Change the user type for the Admin user to 'simple')
On 28 Nov 2016, at 16:18, Sergiu Dumitriu
<sergiu(a)xwiki.org> wrote:
On 11/28/2016 09:35 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Yes but Developers are not the only category of people who may need to see hidden docs
easily.
I don't quite agree. Why would a non-developer be interested in a code
page? I can think of three reasons:
- the page shouldn't have been hidden if users want to reach it
- the user is trying to change something in the code, which is actually
a developer task, so even if the user isn't an actual developer, he acts
as one temporarily
- the user is trying to adjust something, which means that there's a
configuration missing; still, I'd argue that this is also a developer task
Actually I’m sure there are plenty of other use cases. Let me list just 2 that comes to my
mind:
- The user has deleted some page without checking the “delete” children and there were
hidden docs in there and he needs to see what those pages are. In the past, we had users
who could not understand why their “page” (actually the space) wasn’t deleted and why they
were still seeing a node in the Document Tree for them.
- The user is an Admin or an advanced users and need to do some gardening on the wiki and
see that pages are located in the right places according to the defined taxonomy. He
doesn’t need to be a developer to be a gardnerer (and he doesn’t need to understand the
code on those pages either).
Right now the “Hide/Show hidden docs” is not a feature attached to any profile and I
really believe it’s best to keep it like that (allows for all use cases).
Thanks
-Vincent
> I believe a "Developer" user is what we
really need.
Actually that wouldn’t solve the problem I had either since it would mean
having to navigate to the user profile, make the change, go back to where
you were, check the hidden docs, then go back again to your user profile,
put back the profile again and navigate back… Doesn’t work!
Of course the "Developer" user would have the "show hidden docs"
option
enabled, and would be an "advanced user", so all you would have to do is to
log-in as "Developer”. --
Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu
29 Nov
29 Nov
7:10 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] Ability to show/hide documents quickly (was Re: [Proposal][UX] Change the user type for the Admin user to 'simple')
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
I don't quite agree. Why would a non-developer be interested in a code
page? I can think of three reasons:
- the page shouldn't have been hidden if users want to reach it
- the user is trying to change something in the code, which is actually
a developer task, so even if the user isn't an actual developer, he acts
as one temporarily
- the user is trying to adjust something, which means that there's a
configuration missing; still, I'd argue that this is also a developer task
Actually I’m sure there are plenty of other use cases. Let me list just 2
that comes to my mind:
- The user has deleted some page without checking the “delete” children
and there were hidden docs in there and he needs to see what those pages
are.
On 28 Nov 2016, at 16:18, Sergiu Dumitriu
<sergiu(a)xwiki.org> wrote:
On 11/28/2016 09:35 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
>>>> I believe a "Developer" user is what we really need.
>>>
>>> Actually that wouldn’t solve the problem I had either since it would
mean
>>> having to navigate to the user
profile, make the change, go back to
where
>>> you were, check the hidden docs, then
go back again to your user
profile,
>>> put back the profile again and
navigate back… Doesn’t work!
>>>
>>
>> Of course the "Developer" user would have the "show hidden
docs" option
>> enabled, and would be an "advanced user", so all you would have to do
is to
>> log-in as "Developer”.
>
> Yes but Developers are not the only category of people who may need to
see
hidden docs easily.
In the past, we had users who could not understand why
their “page”
(actually the space) wasn’t deleted and why they were still seeing a node
in the Document Tree for them.
If a page is shown in the Document Tree then it's either non-hidden or it
has a non-hidden descendant page.
- The user is an Admin or an advanced users and need to do some gardening
on the wiki and see that pages are located in the right places according to
the defined taxonomy. He doesn’t need to be a developer to be a gardnerer
(and he doesn’t need to understand the code on those pages either).
Right now the “Hide/Show hidden docs” is not a feature attached to any
profile and I really believe it’s best to keep it like that (allows for all
use cases).
Thanks
-Vincent
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12:53 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UX] Change the user type for the Admin user to 'simple'
Hi Marius,
On 17 Oct 2016, at 12:38, Marius Dumitru Florea
<mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com
Yes you’re right this is probably only for the Jetty/HSQLDB packaging (since when the
Admin user is created through the DW I guess it’s created as a simple user). But it’s even
more important in this packaging because that’s the demo package that users are supposed
to use to simply test xwiki and thus the UI should be as simple as possible for those
newcomers.
<side note>
We now have packaging stats: 30% of active users are using that packaging.
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/ActiveInstalls/
</side note>
Thanks
-Vincent
wrote:
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com
wrote:
Hi,
A simple change that could improve the experience for newcomers would be
that the default Admin user to have a simple type.
One of the problems new users have is that they have too many options in
the Edit menu and this can be confusing.
The downside is that it will add an additional step for developers/testers
to change the user type back (or at least until we provide a Developer
user/profile).
Also we would need to make sure the documentation is up to date and fix the
tests.
WDTY?
You're talking about the jetty+hsqldb distribution (the "ZIP Package"
available on the download page)? Is this the most used / downloaded
distribution? Because the other distributions don't have the Admin user,
see
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/DistributionWizard#HAdmin… .Thanks,
Marius
>
> I've created http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XE-1580
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
1:22 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UX] Change the user type for the Admin user to 'simple'
+0
I'm not fully convinced because if you make the Admin profile a simple user
then he might miss some features. On the other hand leaving the Admin
profile an advanced user might expose him to complex features that he won't
understand.
Thanks,
Marius
On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
A simple change that could improve the experience for newcomers would be
that the default Admin user to have a simple type.
One of the problems new users have is that they have too many options in
the Edit menu and this can be confusing.
The downside is that it will add an additional step for developers/testers
to change the user type back (or at least until we provide a Developer
user/profile).
Also we would need to make sure the documentation is up to date and fix
the
tests.
WDTY?
You're talking about the jetty+hsqldb distribution (the "ZIP Package"
available on the download page)? Is this the most used / downloaded
distribution? Because the other distributions don't have the Admin user,
see http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/
DistributionWizard#HAdminuser .
Thanks,
Marius
I've created http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XE-1580
Thanks,
Caty
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New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UX] Change the user type for the Admin user to 'simple'
On 28 Nov 2016, at 13:22, Marius Dumitru Florea
<mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
+0
I'm not fully convinced because if you make the Admin profile a simple user
then he might miss some features. On the other hand leaving the Admin
profile an advanced user might expose him to complex features that he won't
understand.
Note that this thread can also be considered as simply fixing an inconsistency since when
using the non-HSQLDB/Jetty packagings, the Admin user is a simple user already! :)
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Marius
On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> A simple change that could improve the experience for newcomers would be
>> that the default Admin user to have a simple type.
>>
>> One of the problems new users have is that they have too many options in
>> the Edit menu and this can be confusing.
>>
>> The downside is that it will add an additional step for developers/testers
>> to change the user type back (or at least until we provide a Developer
>> user/profile).
>>
>> Also we would need to make sure the documentation is up to date and fix
>> the
>> tests.
>>
>> WDTY?
>>
>
> You're talking about the jetty+hsqldb distribution (the "ZIP Package"
> available on the download page)? Is this the most used / downloaded
> distribution? Because the other distributions don't have the Admin user,
> see http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/
> DistributionWizard#HAdminuser .
>
> Thanks,
> Marius
>
>
>>
>> I've created http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XE-1580
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Caty
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