8 Jun
2018
8 Jun
'18
11:45 a.m.
Hi devs,
Now that Notifications is providing an equivalent feature (and supposedly much faster, we
still need some measurements on that!), we need to think about decommissioning the AS and
Watchlist features.
Decommissioning means moving them to xwiki-attic IMO.
So the questions:
* Are there any features still missing to replace the AS? For example the AS had the
ability to display a RSS feed and other parameters, see
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Activity%20Macro#HPara….
Are all of these having equivalents or other ways of doing them?
* Personal note and especially for Caty: I don’t like too much the big icons that we have
ATM. For example
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/User%20Profile%20Appli….
I don’t think the replacement of the main AS with the notifications macro will look very
nice with these icons. I already stated that I thought the user-focused view was much
nicer visually but I was one of the few to think so from what I remember ;) Still even if
we keep the icons, I think there’s some work to make the UI more appealling visually.
WDYT?
* When can we replace AS with notifications macro? I’d suggest to do that for 10.6-RC1.
WDYT? AFAIK there are 2 places: user profiles + Dashboard home page.
* Once the previous item is done, can we remove AS + watchlist from XS easily now? What
does it entail, just moving xwiki-platform-watchlist and xwiki-platform-activitystream.
Actually I think we need to first move the message stream sending UI to another place. I’d
propose inside the alert menu as a UIX when message stream is enabled (that would be fast
and simple to do and we could tune the location later, it doesn’t matter much since it’s
off by default anyway). Could we do this in XWiki 10.6RC1?
* Anything else I’ve forgotten?
So the plan seems to be, in this order:
1) Replace AS with notifications macro.
2) Move Message Stream sending UI outside of AS
3) Move xwiki-platform-watchlist and xwiki-platform-activitystream to xwiki-attic and
update their docs on e.x.o to explain how to put them back if needed
Thanks
-Vincent
11 Jun
11 Jun
10:56 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Brainstorming] Removing Watchlist & Activity Stream from XS?
Hi Vincent
2018-06-08 11:45 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
Hi devs,
Now that Notifications is providing an equivalent feature (and supposedly
much faster, we still need some measurements on that!), we need to think
about decommissioning the AS and Watchlist features.
Decommissioning means moving them to xwiki-attic IMO.
So the questions:
* Are there any features still missing to replace the AS? For example the
AS had the ability to display a RSS feed and other parameters, see
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Activity%20Macro#
HParametersdefinition. Are all of these having equivalents or other ways
of doing them?
* We have an RSS view, but it's not available from the macro. So it need to
be added if we want to keep it.
* We don't have a "tag" filter. Need to be added.
* Personal note and especially for Caty: I don’t like too much the big
icons that we have ATM. For example http://extensions.xwiki.org/
xwiki/bin/view/Extension/User%20Profile%20Application#
HSeetheNetworkActivity. I don’t think the replacement of the main AS with
the notifications macro will look very nice with these icons. I already
stated that I thought the user-focused view was much nicer visually but I
was one of the few to think so from what I remember ;) Still even if we
keep the icons, I think there’s some work to make the UI more appealling
visually. WDYT?
* When can we replace AS with notifications macro? I’d suggest to do that
for 10.6-RC1. WDYT? AFAIK there are 2 places: user profiles + Dashboard
home page.
If we don't care about the 2 remaining items I've mentioned above, we could
do it for 10.6RC1.
* Once the previous item is done, can we remove AS + watchlist from XS
easily now? What does it entail, just moving xwiki-platform-watchlist and
xwiki-platform-activitystream. Actually I think we need to first move the
message stream sending UI to another place. I’d propose inside the alert
menu as a UIX when message stream is enabled (that would be fast and simple
to do and we could tune the location later, it doesn’t matter much since
it’s off by default anyway). Could we do this in XWiki 10.6RC1?
We can only get rid of Activity Stream's UI. Because the storage is still
implemented by Activity Stream's API (as the unique implementation of
xwiki-platform-eventstream).
* Anything else I’ve forgotten?
So the plan seems to be, in this order:
1) Replace AS with notifications macro.
2) Move Message Stream sending UI outside of AS
I'm not sure I understand. The Message Sender Macro is defined in
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/blob/master/xwiki-platform-core/xwi…
so I don't think we need to move something out of AS.
3) Move xwiki-platform-watchlist and
xwiki-platform-activitystream to
xwiki-attic and update their docs on e.x.o to explain how to put them back
if needed
IMO we should wait for the next cycle to move the modules out.
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
--
Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
2:13 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Brainstorming] Removing Watchlist & Activity Stream from XS?
Hi Guillaume,
So another item in the todo list then:
* Move the implementation to xwiki-platform-eventstream
Do we have a jira for this?
Ok my bad then, I thought the UI part was implemented inside the AS UI. I think this was
refactored a long time ago (it was in the AS UI initially) and I forgot about it.
I don’t think we need to wait if they can be installed easily, but sure. Note that moving
out or not bundling by default is the same thing for me since it’ll be the same for
users.
Anyway first, there are a few issues we need to implement and fix.
At this stage I’d like to make sure we have all the jira issues created and to agree on
them and have a plan for fixing them.
Thanks
-Vincent
[snip]
On 11 Jun 2018, at 10:56, Guillaume Delhumeau
<guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi Vincent
2018-06-08 11:45 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
I don’t think it’s that useful to have the RSS feed have a UI in the macro. However, I
think it’s useful to be able to have a RSS feed for a specific configuration of the
notifications (essentially this is what the macro does: configures the notifications to
work in a given way). AFAIU the only RSS feed we have ATM is a fixed feed for the default
notifications in your user profile. So something more generic would be nice. I guess that
would mean a script service to return a RSS feed URL for some parameters passed (the same
params as those on the macro) + a generic RSS feed wiki page that accepts parameters.
WDYT?
Do we have a jira issue for this?
Hi devs,
Now that Notifications is providing an equivalent feature (and supposedly
much faster, we still need some measurements on that!), we need to think
about decommissioning the AS and Watchlist features.
Decommissioning means moving them to xwiki-attic IMO.
So the questions:
* Are there any features still missing to replace the AS? For example the
AS had the ability to display a RSS feed and other parameters, see
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Activity%20Macro#
HParametersdefinition. Are all of these having equivalents or other ways
of doing them?
* We have an RSS view, but it's not available from the macro. So it need to
be added if we want to keep it. * We don't have a "tag" filter. Need to
be added.
Ok. Do we have a jira issue for it?
* Personal note and especially for Caty: I don’t like too much the big
icons that we have ATM. For example http://extensions.xwiki.org/
xwiki/bin/view/Extension/User%20Profile%20Application#
HSeetheNetworkActivity. I don’t think the replacement of the main AS with
the notifications macro will look very nice with these icons. I already
stated that I thought the user-focused view was much nicer visually but I
was one of the few to think so from what I remember ;) Still even if we
keep the icons, I think there’s some work to make the UI more appealling
visually. WDYT?
* When can we replace AS with notifications macro? I’d suggest to do that
for 10.6-RC1. WDYT? AFAIK there are 2 places: user profiles + Dashboard
home page.
If we don't care about the 2 remaining items I've mentioned above, we could
do it for 10.6RC1.
* Once the previous item is done, can we remove AS + watchlist from XS
easily now? What does it entail, just moving xwiki-platform-watchlist and
xwiki-platform-activitystream. Actually I think we need to first move the
message stream sending UI to another place. I’d propose inside the alert
menu as a UIX when message stream is enabled (that would be fast and simple
to do and we could tune the location later, it doesn’t matter much since
it’s off by default anyway). Could we do this in XWiki 10.6RC1?
We can only get rid of Activity Stream's UI. Because the storage is still
implemented by Activity Stream's API (as the unique implementation of
xwiki-platform-eventstream).
* Anything else I’ve forgotten?
So the plan seems to be, in this order:
1) Replace AS with notifications macro.
2) Move Message Stream sending UI outside of AS
I'm not sure I understand. The Message Sender Macro is defined in
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/blob/master/xwiki-platform-core/xwi…
so I don't think we need to move something out of AS. 3) Move xwiki-platform-watchlist and
xwiki-platform-activitystream to
xwiki-attic and update their docs on e.x.o to explain how to put them back
if needed
IMO we should wait for the next cycle to move the modules out.
3:31 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Brainstorming] Removing Watchlist & Activity Stream from XS?
2018-06-11 14:13 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
Created: https://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-15343
This is a use-case that is needed only for AS, because I don't think it
make sense, inside the notifications system, to filter upon a tag.
could
So another item in the todo list then:
* Move the implementation to xwiki-platform-eventstream
Do we have a jira for this?
It's more a new implementation that is needed, since the current one use
"activitystream" in the table names. We might take the occasion to think
about a new storage.
For now, I consider it's safer to stick to the ActivityStream
implementation (which is not visible from the UI) since it allows us to use
both AS and Notifications with the same storage. The transition is easier
this way.
xwiki-platform-core/xwiki-platform-messagestream/xwiki-
platform-messagestream-ui/src/main/resources/Main/MessageSenderMacro.xml
I don’t think we need to wait if they can be installed easily, but sure.
Note that moving out or not bundling by default is the same thing for me
since it’ll be the same for users.
Anyway first, there are a few issues we need to implement and fix.
At this stage I’d like to make sure we have all the jira issues created
and to agree on them and have a plan for fixing them.
Thanks
-Vincent
[snip]
Thanks,
--
Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
Hi Guillaume,
to
It's indeed what we need, but note that the URL could generated by the
Notifications Macro itself (no need to create a script service, except if
we plan to use the URL in other modules).
On 11 Jun 2018, at 10:56, Guillaume Delhumeau
<
guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi Vincent
2018-06-08 11:45 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
> Hi devs,
>
> Now that Notifications is providing an equivalent feature (and
supposedly
> much faster, we still need some measurements
on that!), we need to think
> about decommissioning the AS and Watchlist features.
>
> Decommissioning means moving them to xwiki-attic IMO.
>
> So the questions:
>
> * Are there any features still missing to replace the AS? For example
the
AS had
the ability to display a RSS feed and other parameters, see
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Activity%20Macro#
HParametersdefinition. Are all of these having equivalents or other ways
of doing them?
* We have an RSS view, but it's not available from the macro. So it need be added if we want to keep it.
I don’t think it’s that useful to have the RSS feed have a UI in the
macro. However, I think it’s useful to be able to have a RSS feed for a
specific configuration of the notifications (essentially this is what the
macro does: configures the notifications to work in a given way). AFAIU the
only RSS feed we have ATM is a fixed feed for the default notifications in
your user profile. So something more generic would be nice. I guess that
would mean a script service to return a RSS feed URL for some parameters
passed (the same params as those on the macro) + a generic RSS feed wiki
page that accepts parameters. WDYT?
Do we have a jira issue for this?
Created: https://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-15344
* We don't have a "tag" filter.
Need to be added.
Ok. Do we have a jira issue for it?
>
> * Personal note and especially for Caty: I don’t like too much the big
> icons that we have ATM. For example http://extensions.xwiki.org/
> xwiki/bin/view/Extension/User%20Profile%20Application#
> HSeetheNetworkActivity. I don’t think the replacement of the main AS
with
> the notifications macro will look very nice
with these icons. I already
> stated that I thought the user-focused view was much nicer visually but
I
> was one of the few to think so from what I
remember ;) Still even if we
> keep the icons, I think there’s some work to make the UI more appealling
> visually. WDYT?
>
> * When can we replace AS with notifications macro? I’d suggest to do
that
for
10.6-RC1. WDYT? AFAIK there are 2 places: user profiles + Dashboard
home page.
If we don't care about the 2 remaining items I've mentioned above, we do it for 10.6RC1.
>
> * Once the previous item is done, can we remove AS + watchlist from XS
> easily now? What does it entail, just moving xwiki-platform-watchlist
and
> xwiki-platform-activitystream. Actually I
think we need to first move
the
> message stream sending UI to another place.
I’d propose inside the alert
> menu as a UIX when message stream is enabled (that would be fast and
simple
to do and
we could tune the location later, it doesn’t matter much since
it’s off by default anyway). Could we do this in XWiki 10.6RC1?
We can only get rid of Activity Stream's UI. Because the storage is still
implemented by Activity Stream's API (as the unique implementation of
xwiki-platform-eventstream).
* Anything else I’ve forgotten?
So the plan seems to be, in this order:
1) Replace AS with notifications macro.
2) Move Message Stream sending UI outside of AS
I'm not sure I understand. The Message Sender Macro is defined in
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/blob/master/ so I don't think we need to move something
out of AS.
Ok my bad then, I thought the UI part was implemented inside the AS UI. I
think this was refactored a long time ago (it was in the AS UI initially)
and I forgot about it.
> 3) Move xwiki-platform-watchlist and xwiki-platform-activitystream to
> xwiki-attic and update their docs on e.x.o to explain how to put them
back
if
needed
IMO we should wait for the next cycle to move the modules out.
3:54 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [Brainstorming] Removing Watchlist & Activity Stream from XS?
Hi again,
Created: https://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-15343
This is a use-case that is needed only for AS, because I don't think it
make sense, inside the notifications system, to filter upon a tag.
Actually if we think about it, it could be a generic use case for the notifications but
I’d see it implemented more as a filter:
* Be able to filter pages tagged with a set of specific tags
* Be able to filter pages containing one or several specific keywords (search-based
filter)
BTW, I wonder if users will not want to have several notification “profiles”/setups in the
future to follow different things in the wiki.
For example I may want to be notified about all changes in the wiki under a certain page
BUT I may also want to follow all changes in the wiki where the word “MediaWiki” is
mentioned. And I may not want to mix the 2 needs. If I had a way to have different
notification profiles, I could switch between them (a bit like perspectives in Eclipse).
If they’re mixed then notifications from one need may “drown” the notifications from the
other need.
Hope you won’t hate me now ;)
could
So another item in the todo list then:
* Move the implementation to xwiki-platform-eventstream
Do we have a jira for this?
It's more a new implementation that is needed, since the current one use
"activitystream" in the table names. We might take the occasion to think
about a new storage.
And move it to components since it’s using the old plugin architecture...
xwiki-platform-core/xwiki-platform-messagestream/xwiki-
platform-messagestream-ui/src/main/resources/Main/MessageSenderMacro.xml
I don’t think we need to wait if they can be installed easily, but sure.
Note that moving out or not bundling by default is the same thing for me
since it’ll be the same for users.
Anyway first, there are a few issues we need to implement and fix.
At this stage I’d like to make sure we have all the jira issues created
and to agree on them and have a plan for fixing them.
Thanks
-Vincent
[snip]
Thanks,
--
Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
On 11 Jun 2018, at 15:31, Guillaume Delhumeau
<guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
2018-06-11 14:13 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
But the macro doesn’t provide a way to get something out. Not sure I understand what
you’re proposing.
Hi Guillaume,
to
It's indeed what we need, but note that the URL could generated by the
Notifications Macro itself (no need to create a script service, except if
we plan to use the URL in other modules). On 11 Jun 2018, at 10:56, Guillaume Delhumeau
<
guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi Vincent
2018-06-08 11:45 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
> Hi devs,
>
> Now that Notifications is providing an equivalent feature (and
supposedly
> much faster, we still need some measurements
on that!), we need to think
> about decommissioning the AS and Watchlist features.
>
> Decommissioning means moving them to xwiki-attic IMO.
>
> So the questions:
>
> * Are there any features still missing to replace the AS? For example
the
AS had
the ability to display a RSS feed and other parameters, see
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Activity%20Macro#
HParametersdefinition. Are all of these having equivalents or other ways
of doing them?
* We have an RSS view, but it's not available from the macro. So it need be added if we want to keep it.
I don’t think it’s that useful to have the RSS feed have a UI in the
macro. However, I think it’s useful to be able to have a RSS feed for a
specific configuration of the notifications (essentially this is what the
macro does: configures the notifications to work in a given way). AFAIU the
only RSS feed we have ATM is a fixed feed for the default notifications in
your user profile. So something more generic would be nice. I guess that
would mean a script service to return a RSS feed URL for some parameters
passed (the same params as those on the macro) + a generic RSS feed wiki
page that accepts parameters. WDYT?
Do we have a jira issue for this?
Created: https://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-15344
* We don't have a "tag" filter.
Need to be added.
Ok. Do we have a jira issue for it?
>
> * Personal note and especially for Caty: I don’t like too much the big
> icons that we have ATM. For example http://extensions.xwiki.org/
> xwiki/bin/view/Extension/User%20Profile%20Application#
> HSeetheNetworkActivity. I don’t think the replacement of the main AS
with
> the notifications macro will look very nice
with these icons. I already
> stated that I thought the user-focused view was much nicer visually but
I
> was one of the few to think so from what I
remember ;) Still even if we
> keep the icons, I think there’s some work to make the UI more appealling
> visually. WDYT?
>
> * When can we replace AS with notifications macro? I’d suggest to do
that
for
10.6-RC1. WDYT? AFAIK there are 2 places: user profiles + Dashboard
home page.
If we don't care about the 2 remaining items I've mentioned above, we do it for 10.6RC1.
>
> * Once the previous item is done, can we remove AS + watchlist from XS
> easily now? What does it entail, just moving xwiki-platform-watchlist
and
> xwiki-platform-activitystream. Actually I
think we need to first move
the
> message stream sending UI to another place.
I’d propose inside the alert
> menu as a UIX when message stream is enabled (that would be fast and
simple
to do and
we could tune the location later, it doesn’t matter much since
it’s off by default anyway). Could we do this in XWiki 10.6RC1?
We can only get rid of Activity Stream's UI. Because the storage is still
implemented by Activity Stream's API (as the unique implementation of
xwiki-platform-eventstream).
For now, I consider it's safer to stick to the ActivityStream
implementation (which is not visible from the UI) since it allows us to use
both AS and Notifications with the same storage. The transition is easier
this way.
Ok.
Thanks
-Vincent
* Anything else I’ve forgotten?
So the plan seems to be, in this order:
1) Replace AS with notifications macro.
2) Move Message Stream sending UI outside of AS
I'm not sure I understand. The Message Sender Macro is defined in
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/blob/master/ so I don't think we need to move something
out of AS.
Ok my bad then, I thought the UI part was implemented inside the AS UI. I
think this was refactored a long time ago (it was in the AS UI initially)
and I forgot about it.
> 3) Move xwiki-platform-watchlist and xwiki-platform-activitystream to
> xwiki-attic and update their docs on e.x.o to explain how to put them
back
if
needed
IMO we should wait for the next cycle to move the modules out.
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