On 3 Apr 2017, at 17:22, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote: On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote: Note sure what is your point exactly. You want to discuss if it's allowed to install it as flavor or if it's only a dependency of another flavor ?

Thanks -- Thomas Mortagne

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 5:27 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: need one if we have the KB flavor. **empty** (ie no wiki pages) and that serves as a common base minimum for other flavors. It would contain the bare minimum to have an XWiki runtime. pages and minimal set of core extensions) So you want to remove this flavor. You don't need to install any flavor to have an empty wiki. wiki pages (such as home page): Then we can name it. When it was introduced it was defined as the flavor containing what we think is common to any kind of flavor, the core UI extensions basically like you have the core jar extensions on the WAR side. worst. -- Thomas Mortagne

Hi, As I`ve mentioned in the other mail, I`d prefer "Base" or "Minimal" (as Vincent mentioned as well), mainly because I would not want users to be encouraged to use it directly, but instead, to use a flavor that builds on top of the Base and brings value (like the "Standard" flavor does). Now, I`m getting a bit confused here as to the nature of this base flavor. Is it a flavor or is it a distribution? Do we also have an XWiki "Base" distribution (war) that is slimmed down to support at least the XWiki Base *flavor*, and anything else will be installed with EM, according to what any additional "extended" flavor instructs (i.e. through its dependencies)?

Thanks, Eduard On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > If we want to use this flavor as a dependency for the other Flavors that > will be built on top, than I would like it to be called just "XWiki", so > your 1). > All the other flavors built on top would have composed names like "XWiki > KB", "XWiki Groupware", etc. > > Otherwise my vote goes to 3) Base or Basic. > > I think we should first define what this contains. For me it should not > just be EM, but all the default XWiki capabilities to create content: from > administration, to users, to templates, to editors, to viewers, to > livetable, to navigation, etc. :) > > Thanks, > Caty > > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Thomas Mortagne &lt;thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com > > > wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 5:27 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; > wrote: > > > > > >> On 3 Apr 2017, at 17:22, Thomas Mortagne &lt;thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com&gt; > > wrote: > > >> > > >> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; > > wrote: > > >>> Hi, > > >>> > > >>>> On 3 Apr 2017, at 16:18, Thomas Mortagne &lt;thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com > > > > wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Hi devs, > > >>>> > > >>>> Since 8.0 we have in xwiki-platform a flavor simply called "XWiki > > >>>> Flavor" which contains more or less the strict minimum to have > > >>>> something you can call an XWiki instance (Administration, Extension > > >>>> Manager, a home page, etc.). > > >>>> > > >>>> Since we want to promote the new Knowledge Base flavor have a > > >>>> concurrent called "XWiki" is not really making it a favor so we > should > > >>>> probably find another name for it. > > >>>> > > >>>> Here are some ideas: > > >>>> > > >>>> 1) "XWiki" Flavor, it's Ok after all > > >>>> 2) "Default" Flavor > > >>>> 3) "Base” Flavor > > >>> > > >>>> 4) "Lite" Flavor > > >>>> 5) "Mini" Flavor > > >>>> 6) "Minimum" Flavor > > >>>> 7) "Pico" Flavor > > >>>> 8) <another word that means small> Flavor > > >>> > > >>> This raises a question: Why do we have such a flavor? I don’t think > we > > need one if we have the KB flavor. > > >>> > > >> > > >>> The only flavor that would make sense to me is a “Base” flavor that > is > > **empty** (ie no wiki pages) and that serves as a common base minimum for > > other flavors. It would contain the bare minimum to have an XWiki > runtime. > > >> > > >> Note sure what is your point exactly. You want to discuss if it's > > >> allowed to install it as flavor or if it's only a dependency of > > >> another flavor ? > > > > > > My point is that we should only offer 2 things: > > > 1) the KB flavor > > > 2) or let the user not choose any flavor and have an empty wiki (no > wiki > > pages and minimal set of core extensions) > > > > So you want to remove this flavor. You don't need to install any > > flavor to have an empty wiki. > > > > > > > > What is the “XWiki Flavor” right now? You mentioned that it contained > > wiki pages (such as home page): > > > > > > "contains more or less the strict minimum to have > > > something you can call an XWiki instance (Administration, Extension > > > Manager, a home page, etc.).” > > > > > > This doesn’t look like the minimum to me. > > > > > > So the first thing to agree is about the scope of this “base” flavor. > > Then we can name it. > > > > When it was introduced it was defined as the flavor containing what we > > think is common to any kind of flavor, the core UI extensions > > basically like you have the core jar extensions on the WAR side. > > > > > > > > If it’s a minimal empty flavor then the best name for me are: > > > - “Minimal" > > > - "Base" > > > > > > Thanks > > > -Vincent > > > > > >> Thanks > > >>> -Vincent > > >>> > > >>>> I don't think keeping "XWiki" is such a great idea. Default is even > > worst. > > >>>> > > >>>> I like "Lite" but might sound too much like "the very limited free > > >>>> version, you are going to have advertisement in a month" theses > days. > > >>>> > > >>>> If I had to vote for only one it would be "Mini" but I'm fine with > any > > >>>> of the following proposals. > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks, > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Thomas Mortagne > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Thomas Mortagne > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Thomas Mortagne > > >

On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Thomas Mortagne &lt;thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: Not really, no. I *am* in favor of having a Base Flavor. It would be invaluable for when writing other flavors (including the Defaut/Standard/KB one), since it will take care of really basic setup, like the Velocity Macro and such. Ideally, a new Flavor should depend on the Base, plus a handful of applications/extensions and it should be set.

Here I was just talking about the fact that I prefer to emphasize the "boilerplate" nature of this flavor, vs the Lite/Mini/etc. which might imply less resource consumption. Nothing more. Cool, then, IMO, we should be promoting only that, and not the XE base distribution (which we could remove).

Thanks, Eduard > > > > > Thanks, > > Eduard > > > > On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > > >> If we want to use this flavor as a dependency for the other Flavors that > >> will be built on top, than I would like it to be called just "XWiki", so > >> your 1). > >> All the other flavors built on top would have composed names like "XWiki > >> KB", "XWiki Groupware", etc. > >> > >> Otherwise my vote goes to 3) Base or Basic. > >> > >> I think we should first define what this contains. For me it should not > >> just be EM, but all the default XWiki capabilities to create content: > from > >> administration, to users, to templates, to editors, to viewers, to > >> livetable, to navigation, etc. :) > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Caty > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Thomas Mortagne < > thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com > >> > > >> wrote: > >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 5:27 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; > >> wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> On 3 Apr 2017, at 17:22, Thomas Mortagne < > thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com&gt; > >> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net > > > >> > wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> On 3 Apr 2017, at 16:18, Thomas Mortagne < > thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com > >> > > >> > wrote: > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Hi devs, > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Since 8.0 we have in xwiki-platform a flavor simply called "XWiki > >> > >>>> Flavor" which contains more or less the strict minimum to have > >> > >>>> something you can call an XWiki instance (Administration, > Extension > >> > >>>> Manager, a home page, etc.). > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Since we want to promote the new Knowledge Base flavor have a > >> > >>>> concurrent called "XWiki" is not really making it a favor so we > >> should > >> > >>>> probably find another name for it. > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Here are some ideas: > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> 1) "XWiki" Flavor, it's Ok after all > >> > >>>> 2) "Default" Flavor > >> > >>>> 3) "Base” Flavor > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> 4) "Lite" Flavor > >> > >>>> 5) "Mini" Flavor > >> > >>>> 6) "Minimum" Flavor > >> > >>>> 7) "Pico" Flavor > >> > >>>> 8) <another word that means small> Flavor > >> > >>> > >> > >>> This raises a question: Why do we have such a flavor? I don’t > think > >> we > >> > need one if we have the KB flavor. > >> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >>> The only flavor that would make sense to me is a “Base” flavor > that > >> is > >> > **empty** (ie no wiki pages) and that serves as a common base minimum > for > >> > other flavors. It would contain the bare minimum to have an XWiki > >> runtime. > >> > >> > >> > >> Note sure what is your point exactly. You want to discuss if it's > >> > >> allowed to install it as flavor or if it's only a dependency of > >> > >> another flavor ? > >> > > > >> > > My point is that we should only offer 2 things: > >> > > 1) the KB flavor > >> > > 2) or let the user not choose any flavor and have an empty wiki (no > >> wiki > >> > pages and minimal set of core extensions) > >> > > >> > So you want to remove this flavor. You don't need to install any > >> > flavor to have an empty wiki. > >> > > >> > > > >> > > What is the “XWiki Flavor” right now? You mentioned that it > contained > >> > wiki pages (such as home page): > >> > > > >> > > "contains more or less the strict minimum to have > >> > > something you can call an XWiki instance (Administration, Extension > >> > > Manager, a home page, etc.).” > >> > > > >> > > This doesn’t look like the minimum to me. > >> > > > >> > > So the first thing to agree is about the scope of this “base” > flavor. > >> > Then we can name it. > >> > > >> > When it was introduced it was defined as the flavor containing what we > >> > think is common to any kind of flavor, the core UI extensions > >> > basically like you have the core jar extensions on the WAR side. > >> > > >> > > > >> > > If it’s a minimal empty flavor then the best name for me are: > >> > > - “Minimal" > >> > > - "Base" > >> > > > >> > > Thanks > >> > > -Vincent > >> > > > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >>> -Vincent > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> I don't think keeping "XWiki" is such a great idea. Default is > even > >> > worst. > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> I like "Lite" but might sound too much like "the very limited > free > >> > >>>> version, you are going to have advertisement in a month" theses > >> days. > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> If I had to vote for only one it would be "Mini" but I'm fine > with > >> any > >> > >>>> of the following proposals. > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Thanks, > >> > >>>> -- > >> > >>>> Thomas Mortagne > >> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Thomas Mortagne > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Thomas Mortagne > >> > > >> > > > > -- > Thomas Mortagne >

* XWiki Base (on which you can construct), as a synonym of "Foundation" (for a building). Foundation could be misunderstood because of the Software foundations like Eclipse or Apache. * XWiki Stand (as a synonym for Base) or XWiki Shelf * XWiki Kernel (quite technical but I think technical users are the targeted audience) * XWiki Nude (ok it could be confusing, especially with the X in XWiki, but at least the description is good) * XWiki Bare * XWiki Skeleton (already proposed by Paul for the KB flavor) * XWiki Minimum Requirement I think the best proposition is "Base" but I'm sad we don't find a better name. 2017-04-04 14:53 GMT+02:00 Thomas Mortagne &lt;thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com&gt;om>: -- Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project