On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 7:56 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
On 18 Mar 2016, at 14:58, Eduard Moraru
<enygma2002(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>
>>> On 18 Mar 2016, at 13:02, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> To be honest I think we should not have too many menu entries, or we
> might
>> need to find a way to split it again (just like we did with copy,
delete,
>>> etc.)
>>> That's why I am not very fond of creating the 'Included Pages'
and
the
>>> 'Backlinks' viewers. I
don't find them that useful and they are
somehow
>>
technical. We removed Children from Information in order to replace
Space
>>> Index and also because we have the Children / Sibling mix.
>>
>> The issue is that once you say that the menu displays “information
about
>> the page” it’s not very logical to have
an entry named “Information”
any
> more
(since there are others information entries). It could be named
“More
>> Information” or “Extra Information" but not “Information”.
>>
> As mentioned on our previous chat, I
see the 2nd section of More
Actions
as
a "viewers" section. It`s probably
inspired also by the way they are
implemented (/view/Page?viewer=<name>)
Saying “viewer” (which is a technical term that I believe doesn’t mean
anything to users) or saying it contains “Information about the page” is
the same thing. Saying “viewer” just hides the semantic meaning.
> Another way of looking at it would be to see the page as an object,
where
the 2nd
section of "More Actions" would be the "getter" methods.
That’s even more technical. Remember that we’re talking users here ;)
I was not referring to simple users here, just trying to present it to you
:)
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/NestedMenuReorganization#H1…
...and this was a reminder on how it would look like if we would separate
these viewers, since it`s not the first time we`ve had this idea, hinting
that it`s a conclusion that is easy to reach, probably for simple users
too.
> > ? :)
>
> > Looking at it this way,
allows "Information" to stay where it is, IMO,
as
> > I`m also not a big fan of promoting the backlinks and included pages in
> the
> > menus. Also, remember that included pages is displayed in edit mode, in
> the
> > panel, which is, IMO, a better suited location anyway.
> This is just hiding the fact that the
links all contain information about
> the current page. You can call it metadata, viewers or whatever you want
> it’s still about data (i.e. information) of the current page. And since
all
other viewer links are also about this there’s no
reason to have one
called
> with the generic name.
> Basically what “information” means
here is “all the other metadata for
the
> page”.
> But it’s not a big issue. We don’t
need to be 100% logical in the UI.
Sure. Even so, I still find it relevant enough to have this ("Extra")
"Information" docextra/viewer/etc. since it can be useful to display
important stuff (specially to advanced users) that don`t really deserve a
dedicated view.
Examples of stuff I`d personally like to see in that tab:
- Document Programming Right status (advanced)
- Document Script Right status (advanced)
- Document displayed with sheet X? (advanced)
- Document lock status?
- etc.
Of course we can work on the naming if you like... tough it will be tough
to find a better name IMO :)
Thanks,
Eduard
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Eduard
>
>> I agree that View Source could be moved in Information.
>
> Does it mean you’re ok with the other bullet point entries?
>
> Also I didn’t mention it, but this proposal means reorganizing the VMs
> (menu_content.vm and shortcuts.cm) since right now the vm for
displaying
>> the second part of the More Actions menu is called shortcuts.vm and
its
> first
line is:
>
> #if (!$docextralinks && !$docextras)
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> Thanks,
>> Caty
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi devs,
>>>
>>> Here’s the outcome of a discussion I had with Caty/Edy on IRC +
addition
>>>> of some elements of my own.
>>>>
>>>> The idea is to clarify our strategy for the “More Actions” menu.
>>>>
>>>> So here’s a proposal:
>>>>
>>>> * The More Actions menus is actually a "More" menu since it
doesn't
>>>> contain only actions. Specifically it contains 2 types of links:
>>>> ** Actions such as Export, Annotate, Print, Share
>>>> ** Information about the page (they're not actions): History,
>>>> Comments/Annotations, Children, Attachments
>>>> * The "View Source" entry is not placed correctly and should
be
moved
to
>>>> the information section
>>>> * The "Information" entry could be renamed or be made more
specific
>> since
>>>> the whole section of the menu is about information about the page.
It
> used
>>> to contain children but that's been separated so all it contains now
are
>>> included pages and backlinks. These
could be transformed into 2
viewers:
>>> one for includes pages and one for
backlinks
>>> * The extradocs tabs do not need to match the information section of
the
>>>> "More" menu. We only display in the tabs the most important
actions.
>>>> * Idea: In order not to have too many tabs and to simplify the UI,
we
>>> could decide to remove the Information one and have "Included
Pages"
and
>>> "Backlinks" only as menu
entries.
>>>
>>> WDYT?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
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