27 May
2011
27 May
'11
4:41 p.m.
Hi,
As part of "The first 5 minutes experience with XWiki" project I want to
propose a layered help/introduction wizard:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWiki5MinutesPropo…
Thanks,
Caty
30 May
30 May
8:21 a.m.
+1, looks very nice. Where do the "Learn more" links point to?
Thanks,
Marius
On 05/27/2011 05:41 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
Hi,
As part of "The first 5 minutes experience with XWiki" project I want to
propose a layered help/introduction wizard:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWiki5MinutesPropo…
Thanks,
Caty
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9:04 a.m.
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 09:21, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
+1, looks very nice. Where do the "Learn
more" links point to?
"Learn more" should lead to online/offline documentation or to another
stepping process related to the subject.
Thanks,
Caty
Thanks,
Marius
On 05/27/2011 05:41 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
Hi,
As part of "The first 5 minutes experience with XWiki" project I want to
propose a layered help/introduction wizard:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWiki5MinutesPropo…
Thanks,
Caty
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9:23 a.m.
Hi Caty and all,
On May 27, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
Hi,
As part of "The first 5 minutes experience with XWiki" project I want to
propose a layered help/introduction wizard:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWiki5MinutesPropo…
It's very nice. The only question I'm asking myself is whether this is solving a
real problem or not.
We haven't done any user survey or usability lab test so I'm not sure we know what
the real problems are when someone starts using XWiki.
What we could imagine though is a 3 step process:
1) we do what we think will improve the getting started experience (what you've
started) with our own knowledge
2) and then we do usability tests based on our improved solution
3) we refactor to meet the discoveries done in step 2
Side note: I remember reading good advice in "Don't make me think" about
usability tests.
WDYT? Is that the approach we'd like to take? It seems a sensible one to me since
I'm not sure it would bring much to do usability tests with the current XE since we
know some of its shortcomings already so better fix those before that test.
Second remark; your proposal is not touching at any of the existing things (which btw
makes it all the more easy to implement which is nice :)). I'm just wondering whether
we shouldn't also improve underlying stuff. For example the welcome message
doesn't seem very good to me. Another idea is to make it more clear to users that the
home page is a dashboard that they can edit as a personal dashboard for example. A third
idea is to have a help system in place. Maybe those are things you're planning to
tackle just after?
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
11:34 a.m.
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 10:23, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi Caty and all,
On May 27, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
Hi Vincent,
First of all "XWiki in 5 minutes" is a very broad subject: you can think of
lots of things when you say the name.
We have a specification page at
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/XWiki5minutesExperienceMostCommo…
where we suppose to list shortcomings we already know about. Would be very
nice to add more ideas on that list.
Among the listed issues there was the need to understand how things work and
what features you have at your disposal. This proposal is about that need,
having a layered help wizard system that can guide the user in his first
minutes. Is not the whole solution, but is a part of it.
Regarding usability tests: in a distributed - open source community is kind
of hard to do usability tests because you're suppose to be in the room with
the person and observe his interactions with the product. The alternative we
have is to receive mostly written feedback or surveys: about the experience,
about the problems. I agree we can improve in this area and again I'm asking
people to respond to the mail thread
http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/vcx45otjgjpaca6a
Thanks,
Caty
WDYT?
Hi,
As part of "The first 5 minutes experience with XWiki" project I want to
propose a layered help/introduction wizard:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWiki5MinutesPropo…
It's very nice. The only question I'm asking myself is whether this is
solving a real problem or not.
We haven't done any user survey or usability lab test so I'm not sure we
know what the real problems are when someone starts using XWiki.
What we could imagine though is a 3 step process:
1) we do what we think will improve the getting started experience (what
you've started) with our own knowledge
2) and then we do usability tests based on our improved solution
3) we refactor to meet the discoveries done in step 2
Side note: I remember reading good advice in "Don't make me think" about
usability tests.
WDYT? Is that the approach we'd like to take? It seems a sensible one to me
since I'm not sure it would bring much to do usability tests with the
current XE since we know some of its shortcomings already so better fix
those before that test.
Second remark; your proposal is not touching at any of the existing things
(which btw makes it all the more easy to implement which is nice :)). I'm
just wondering whether we shouldn't also improve underlying stuff. For
example the welcome message doesn't seem very good to me. Another idea is to
make it more clear to users that the home page is a dashboard that they can
edit as a personal dashboard for example. A third idea is to have a help
system in place. Maybe those are things you're planning to tackle just
after?
Thanks
-Vincent
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2:55 p.m.
Hi,
I like the concept too. It should be fast to implement and shows users what
they can achieve with the wiki.
Question: is it run for all users the first time they connect to the wiki?
Guillaume
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 10:23, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWiki5MinutesPropo…
Hi Caty and all,
On May 27, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As part of "The first 5 minutes experience with XWiki" project I want
to
propose a
layered help/introduction wizard:
It's very nice. The only question I'm asking myself is whether this is
solving a real problem or not.
We haven't done any user survey or usability lab test so I'm not sure we
know what the real problems are when someone starts using XWiki.
What we could imagine though is a 3 step process:
1) we do what we think will improve the getting started experience (what
you've started) with our own knowledge
2) and then we do usability tests based on our improved solution
3) we refactor to meet the discoveries done in step 2
Side note: I remember reading good advice in "Don't make me think" about
usability tests.
WDYT? Is that the approach we'd like to take? It seems a sensible one to
me
since I'm not sure it would bring much to do
usability tests with the
current XE since we know some of its shortcomings already so better fix
those before that test.
Second remark; your proposal is not touching at any of the existing
things
(which btw makes it all the more easy to
implement which is nice :)). I'm
just wondering whether we shouldn't also improve underlying stuff. For
example the welcome message doesn't seem very good to me. Another idea is
to
make it more clear to users that the home page is
a dashboard that they
can
edit as a personal dashboard for example. A third
idea is to have a help
system in place. Maybe those are things you're planning to tackle just
after?
Hi Vincent,
First of all "XWiki in 5 minutes" is a very broad subject: you can think of
lots of things when you say the name.
We have a specification page at
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/XWiki5minutesExperienceMostCommo…
where we suppose to list shortcomings we already know about. Would be very
nice to add more ideas on that list.
Among the listed issues there was the need to understand how things work
and
what features you have at your disposal. This proposal is about that need,
having a layered help wizard system that can guide the user in his first
minutes. Is not the whole solution, but is a part of it.
Regarding usability tests: in a distributed - open source community is kind
of hard to do usability tests because you're suppose to be in the room with
the person and observe his interactions with the product. The alternative
we
have is to receive mostly written feedback or surveys: about the
experience,
about the problems. I agree we can improve in this area and again I'm
asking
people to respond to the mail thread
http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/vcx45otjgjpaca6a
Thanks,
Caty
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
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3:14 p.m.
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 15:55, Guillaume Lerouge <guillaume(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
Hi,
I like the concept too. It should be fast to implement and shows users what
they can achieve with the wiki.
Question: is it run for all users the first time they connect to the wiki?
In the mockups I've put a Help link next to the Annotations (another place
could be near the Profile).
- We could activate it from there (suggesting solutions depending on the
context + a global help area). This approach is much general (in edit mode
it would suggest a simplified version of syntax help, etc) but much harder
to implement.
or
- We could run it at first use (having a "Show welcome help" check in the
profile where we remember the preference)
Thanks,
Caty
Guillaume
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:34, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWiki5MinutesPropo…
of
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 10:23, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
Hi Caty and all,
On May 27, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As part of "The first 5 minutes experience with XWiki" project I want
to
propose a
layered help/introduction wizard:
>
> It's very nice. The only question I'm asking myself is whether this is
> solving a real problem or not.
>
> We haven't done any user survey or usability lab test so I'm not sure
we
> know what the real problems are when someone
starts using XWiki.
>
> What we could imagine though is a 3 step process:
> 1) we do what we think will improve the getting started experience
(what
> you've started) with our own knowledge
> 2) and then we do usability tests based on our improved solution
> 3) we refactor to meet the discoveries done in step 2
>
> Side note: I remember reading good advice in "Don't make me think"
about
> usability tests.
>
> WDYT? Is that the approach we'd like to take? It seems a sensible one
to
me
I'm
since I'm not sure it would bring much to do
usability tests with the
current XE since we know some of its shortcomings already so better fix
those before that test.
Second remark; your proposal is not touching at any of the existing
things
> (which btw makes it all the more easy to implement which is nice :)). > just wondering whether we shouldn't also
improve underlying stuff. For
> example the welcome message doesn't seem very good to me. Another idea
is
to
help
make it more clear to users that the home page is
a dashboard that they
can
> edit as a personal dashboard for example. A third idea is to have a system in
place. Maybe those are things you're planning to tackle just
after?
Hi Vincent,
First of all "XWiki in 5 minutes" is a very broad subject: you can think lots of things when you say the name.
We have a specification page at
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/XWiki5minutesExperienceMostCommo…
where we suppose to list shortcomings we already
know about. Would be
very
nice to add more ideas on that list.
Among the listed issues there was the need to understand how things work
and
what features you have at your disposal. This proposal is about that
need,
having a layered help wizard system that can
guide the user in his first
minutes. Is not the whole solution, but is a part of it.
Regarding usability tests: in a distributed - open source community is
kind
of hard to do usability tests because you're
suppose to be in the room
with
the person and observe his interactions with the
product. The alternative
we
have is to receive mostly written feedback or surveys: about the
experience,
about the problems. I agree we can improve in this area and again I'm
asking
people to respond to the mail thread
http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/vcx45otjgjpaca6a
Thanks,
Caty
WDYT?
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-Vincent
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