27 Oct
2008
27 Oct
'08
1:20 p.m.
Hi devs,
Let's consider the following scenario:
* Edit a new page with the new WYSIWYG editor.
* Type a word like "ubuntu".
* Move the caret inside the word like "ubu|ntu".
* Press the Bold button or type CTRL+B.
Question: What is the expected behavior?
a) Apply the inline style (bold) only to the insertion point. The next
letters typed will have this style applied.
b) Apply the inline style (bold) to the word that contains the insertion
point ("ubuntu").
Note: b) is the current behavior in Open Office and IE. FF behaves as in
a). The behavior currently implemented in the new WYSIWYG editor is a).
Also, by choosing b) I avoid the use of the special space character in
IE (see my previous mail), but I have to re-implement the current
behavior of the new WYSIWYG. I need around 2 days for it. Of course, it
will work for any inline style like bold, italic etc.
I'm +1 for b)
Thanks,
Marius.
27 Oct
27 Oct
1:32 p.m.
Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
Hi devs,
Let's consider the following scenario:
* Edit a new page with the new WYSIWYG editor.
* Type a word like "ubuntu".
* Move the caret inside the word like "ubu|ntu".
* Press the Bold button or type CTRL+B.
Question: What is the expected behavior?
a) Apply the inline style (bold) only to the insertion point. The next
letters typed will have this style applied.
b) Apply the inline style (bold) to the word that contains the insertion
point ("ubuntu").
Note: b) is the current behavior in Open Office and IE. FF behaves as in
a). The behavior currently implemented in the new WYSIWYG editor is a).
Also, by choosing b) I avoid the use of the special space character in
IE (see my previous mail), but I have to re-implement the current
behavior of the new WYSIWYG. I need around 2 days for it. Of course, it
will work for any inline style like bold, italic etc.
If this is the solution to not using the special hacky character, and compared
to that solution, I'm a dancing
+1 for b)
We might as well leave it act like it does on FF and otherwise on IE. It's not
that big of a deal, I feel, since it addresses a very niche usecase: a user
tries to start typing bold inside a word. Also, it will cause troubles only if a
user switches between browsers currently ('cause otherwise he just gets used
with the behaviour in his loved browser and lives with it).
Happy coding,
Anca
I'm +1 for b)
Thanks,
Marius.
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1:49 p.m.
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On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
Hi devs,
Let's consider the following scenario:
* Edit a new page with the new WYSIWYG editor.
* Type a word like "ubuntu".
* Move the caret inside the word like "ubu|ntu".
* Press the Bold button or type CTRL+B.
Question: What is the expected behavior?
a) Apply the inline style (bold) only to the insertion point. The next
letters typed will have this style applied.
b) Apply the inline style (bold) to the word that contains the
insertion
point ("ubuntu").
Note: b) is the current behavior in Open Office and IE. FF behaves
as in
a). The behavior currently implemented in the new WYSIWYG editor is
a).
Also, by choosing b) I avoid the use of the special space character in
IE (see my previous mail), but I have to re-implement the current
behavior of the new WYSIWYG. I need around 2 days for it. Of course,
it
will work for any inline style like bold, italic etc.
I'm +1 for b)
The third choice is to have a different behavior for FF and IE.
Since I don't think we need to bold only a portion of word (I can't
think of a real world use case for it), I'd also prefer b)
(independently of the problem of implementing a) for IE).
Just to be sure, if I type the following:
* Type "hello"
* Hit space
* click on bold
* type "world"
Will "world" be in bold?
Thanks
-Vincent
2:01 p.m.
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Vincent Massol wrote:
On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea
wrote:
Definitely. This is what Open Office does. If you are inside a word it
bolds that word, otherwise you start typing bold.
Hi devs,
Let's consider the following scenario:
* Edit a new page with the new WYSIWYG editor.
* Type a word like "ubuntu".
* Move the caret inside the word like "ubu|ntu".
* Press the Bold button or type CTRL+B.
Question: What is the expected behavior?
a) Apply the inline style (bold) only to the insertion point. The next
letters typed will have this style applied.
b) Apply the inline style (bold) to the word that contains the
insertion
point ("ubuntu").
Note: b) is the current behavior in Open Office and IE. FF behaves
as in
a). The behavior currently implemented in the new WYSIWYG editor is
a).
Also, by choosing b) I avoid the use of the special space character in
IE (see my previous mail), but I have to re-implement the current
behavior of the new WYSIWYG. I need around 2 days for it. Of course,
it
will work for any inline style like bold, italic etc.
I'm +1 for b)
The third choice is to have a different behavior for FF and IE.
Since I don't think we need to bold only a portion of word (I can't
think of a real world use case for it), I'd also prefer b)
(independently of the problem of implementing a) for IE).
Just to be sure, if I type the following:
* Type "hello"
* Hit space
* click on bold
* type "world"
Will "world" be in bold?
Thanks
-Vincent
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2:06 p.m.
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Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
Vincent Massol wrote:
> On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
>
>> Hi devs,
>>
>> Let's consider the following scenario:
>>
>> * Edit a new page with the new WYSIWYG editor.
>> * Type a word like "ubuntu".
>> * Move the caret inside the word like "ubu|ntu".
>> * Press the Bold button or type CTRL+B.
>>
>> Question: What is the expected behavior?
>>
>> a) Apply the inline style (bold) only to the insertion point. The next
>> letters typed will have this style applied.
>> b) Apply the inline style (bold) to the word that contains the
>> insertion
>> point ("ubuntu").
>>
>> Note: b) is the current behavior in Open Office and IE. FF behaves
>> as in
>> a). The behavior currently implemented in the new WYSIWYG editor is
>> a).
>>
>> Also, by choosing b) I avoid the use of the special space character in
>> IE (see my previous mail), but I have to re-implement the current
>> behavior of the new WYSIWYG. I need around 2 days for it. Of course,
>> it
>> will work for any inline style like bold, italic etc.
>>
>> I'm +1 for b)
> The third choice is to have a different behavior for FF and IE.
>
> Since I don't think we need to bold only a portion of word (I can't
> think of a real world use case for it), I'd also prefer b)
of what I understood you _can_ bold only a portion of a word: type the whole
word, select your piece of it and click bold. The pb is only if you'd like to
start typing bold in the middle of a word (in which case you'd need to position
inside, click bold and start typing).
(independently
of the problem of implementing a) for IE).
Just to be sure, if I type the following:
* Type "hello"
* Hit space
* click on bold
* type "world"
Will "world" be in bold?
Definitely. This is what Open Office does. If you are inside a word it
bolds that word, otherwise you start typing bold.
Thanks
-Vincent
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On Oct 27, 2008, at 2:06 PM, Anca Paula Luca wrote:
Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
In that case I'm even more in favor of b).
Thanks
-Vincent
Vincent Massol wrote:
> On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
>
>> Hi devs,
>>
>> Let's consider the following scenario:
>>
>> * Edit a new page with the new WYSIWYG editor.
>> * Type a word like "ubuntu".
>> * Move the caret inside the word like "ubu|ntu".
>> * Press the Bold button or type CTRL+B.
>>
>> Question: What is the expected behavior?
>>
>> a) Apply the inline style (bold) only to the insertion point. The
>> next
>> letters typed will have this style applied.
>> b) Apply the inline style (bold) to the word that contains the
>> insertion
>> point ("ubuntu").
>>
>> Note: b) is the current behavior in Open Office and IE. FF behaves
>> as in
>> a). The behavior currently implemented in the new WYSIWYG editor is
>> a).
>>
>> Also, by choosing b) I avoid the use of the special space
>> character in
>> IE (see my previous mail), but I have to re-implement the current
>> behavior of the new WYSIWYG. I need around 2 days for it. Of
>> course,
>> it
>> will work for any inline style like bold, italic etc.
>>
>> I'm +1 for b)
> The third choice is to have a different behavior for FF and IE.
>
> Since I don't think we need to bold only a portion of word (I can't
> think of a real world use case for it), I'd also prefer b)
of what I understood you _can_ bold only a portion of a word: type
the whole
word, select your piece of it and click bold. The pb is only if
you'd like to
start typing bold in the middle of a word (in which case you'd need
to position
inside, click bold and start typing). >> (independently of the problem of implementing
a) for IE).
>>
>> Just to be sure, if I type the following:
>> * Type "hello"
>> * Hit space
>> * click on bold
>> * type "world"
>>
>> Will "world" be in bold?
>
> Definitely. This is what Open Office does. If you are inside a word
> it
> bolds that word, otherwise you start typing bold.
>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
2:12 p.m.
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On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi devs,
Let's consider the following scenario:
* Edit a new page with the new WYSIWYG editor.
* Type a word like "ubuntu".
* Move the caret inside the word like "ubu|ntu".
* Press the Bold button or type CTRL+B.
Question: What is the expected behavior?
a) Apply the inline style (bold) only to the insertion point. The next
letters typed will have this style applied.
b) Apply the inline style (bold) to the word that contains the insertion
point ("ubuntu").
Note: b) is the current behavior in Open Office and IE. FF behaves as in
a). The behavior currently implemented in the new WYSIWYG editor is a).
Also, by choosing b) I avoid the use of the special space character in
IE (see my previous mail), but I have to re-implement the current
behavior of the new WYSIWYG. I need around 2 days for it. Of course, it
will work for any inline style like bold, italic etc.
As a user I would expect the behaviour in a) (personal opinion). But if b)
is currently used existing editors and it also let's us go around a hacky
solution. I would say +0 for b).
Thanks.
- Asiri
I'm +1 for b)
Thanks,
Marius.
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Asiri Rathnayake wrote:
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea
<
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Why would you expect a)? It doesn't seem intuitive to me. It does seem a
bit consistent, since if you're outside the word and click bold, then
you start writing bold, without anything already existing being turned
into bold. But intuitive, no. I expect (and both MS Word and OO Writer
do this) that when I click inside a word and press the B button, that
word becomes bold. I don't (almost) ever need or want to start typing
bold inside a word. If I want part of the word to be bold, I write the
full word, select the part that I want bold, and click the B button.
Isn't this what everybody would do?
To Marius and the rest of the WYSIWYG team, the final goal is that the
editor behaves as the user expects, not as the browser is coded. We
should stick to what desktop products do as much as possible, unless
their behavior strongly contradicts what we think the user expects. Of
course, having a feature working sooner is more important than waiting
for all the browser misbehaviors to be corrected. Working feature first,
bug workaround afterwards (only other people's bugs, as we should not
produce bugs in our code in the first place).
--
Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
Hi devs,
Let's consider the following scenario:
* Edit a new page with the new WYSIWYG editor.
* Type a word like "ubuntu".
* Move the caret inside the word like "ubu|ntu".
* Press the Bold button or type CTRL+B.
Question: What is the expected behavior?
a) Apply the inline style (bold) only to the insertion point. The next
letters typed will have this style applied.
b) Apply the inline style (bold) to the word that contains the insertion
point ("ubuntu").
Note: b) is the current behavior in Open Office and IE. FF behaves as in
a). The behavior currently implemented in the new WYSIWYG editor is a).
Also, by choosing b) I avoid the use of the special space character in
IE (see my previous mail), but I have to re-implement the current
behavior of the new WYSIWYG. I need around 2 days for it. Of course, it
will work for any inline style like bold, italic etc.
As a user I would expect the behaviour in a) (personal opinion). But if b)
is currently used existing editors and it also let's us go around a hacky
solution. I would say +0 for b).
4:03 p.m.
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On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Asiri Rathnayake wrote:
Yes that's what I thought. Anyway, I'm not an experienced user. I thought
it's the way most editors behave but it seems like I'm wrong.
+1 fro b).
Thanks.
- Asiri
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Marius Dumitru
Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
b)
Hi devs,
Let's consider the following scenario:
* Edit a new page with the new WYSIWYG editor.
* Type a word like "ubuntu".
* Move the caret inside the word like "ubu|ntu".
* Press the Bold button or type CTRL+B.
Question: What is the expected behavior?
a) Apply the inline style (bold) only to the insertion point. The next
letters typed will have this style applied.
b) Apply the inline style (bold) to the word that contains the insertion
point ("ubuntu").
Note: b) is the current behavior in Open Office and IE. FF behaves as in
a). The behavior currently implemented in the new WYSIWYG editor is a).
Also, by choosing b) I avoid the use of the special space character in
IE (see my previous mail), but I have to re-implement the current
behavior of the new WYSIWYG. I need around 2 days for it. Of course, it
will work for any inline style like bold, italic etc.
As a user I would expect the behaviour in a) (personal opinion). But if is currently used existing editors and it also
let's us go around a hacky
solution. I would say +0 for b).
Why would you expect a)? It doesn't seem intuitive to me. It does seem a
bit consistent, since if you're outside the word and click bold,
then
you start writing bold, without anything already existing being turned
into bold. But intuitive, no. I expect (and both MS Word and OO Writer
do this) that when I click inside a word and press the B button, that
word becomes bold. I don't (almost) ever need or want to start typing
bold inside a word. If I want part of the word to be bold, I write the
full word, select the part that I want bold, and click the B button.
Isn't this what everybody would do?
To Marius and the rest of the WYSIWYG team, the final goal is that the
editor behaves as the user expects, not as the browser is coded. We
should stick to what desktop products do as much as possible, unless
their behavior strongly contradicts what we think the user expects. Of
course, having a feature working sooner is more important than waiting
for all the browser misbehaviors to be corrected. Working feature first,
bug workaround afterwards (only other people's bugs, as we should not
produce bugs in our code in the first place).
--
Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
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+1 for b)
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea
<mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi devs,
Let's consider the following scenario:
* Edit a new page with the new WYSIWYG editor.
* Type a word like "ubuntu".
* Move the caret inside the word like "ubu|ntu".
* Press the Bold button or type CTRL+B.
Question: What is the expected behavior?
a) Apply the inline style (bold) only to the insertion point. The next
letters typed will have this style applied.
b) Apply the inline style (bold) to the word that contains the insertion
point ("ubuntu").
Note: b) is the current behavior in Open Office and IE. FF behaves as in
a). The behavior currently implemented in the new WYSIWYG editor is a).
Also, by choosing b) I avoid the use of the special space character in
IE (see my previous mail), but I have to re-implement the current
behavior of the new WYSIWYG. I need around 2 days for it. Of course, it
will work for any inline style like bold, italic etc.
I'm +1 for b)
Thanks,
Marius.
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3:16 p.m.
Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
Hi devs,
Let's consider the following scenario:
* Edit a new page with the new WYSIWYG editor.
* Type a word like "ubuntu".
* Move the caret inside the word like "ubu|ntu".
* Press the Bold button or type CTRL+B.
Question: What is the expected behavior?
a) Apply the inline style (bold) only to the insertion point. The next
letters typed will have this style applied.
b) Apply the inline style (bold) to the word that contains the insertion
point ("ubuntu").
Note: b) is the current behavior in Open Office and IE. FF behaves as in
a). The behavior currently implemented in the new WYSIWYG editor is a).
Also, by choosing b) I avoid the use of the special space character in
IE (see my previous mail), but I have to re-implement the current
behavior of the new WYSIWYG. I need around 2 days for it. Of course, it
will work for any inline style like bold, italic etc.
I'm +1 for b)
+1 for b) also.
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5:52 p.m.
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+1 for b)
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 5:20 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea
<mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi devs,
Let's consider the following scenario:
* Edit a new page with the new WYSIWYG editor.
* Type a word like "ubuntu".
* Move the caret inside the word like "ubu|ntu".
* Press the Bold button or type CTRL+B.
Question: What is the expected behavior?
a) Apply the inline style (bold) only to the insertion point. The next
letters typed will have this style applied.
b) Apply the inline style (bold) to the word that contains the insertion
point ("ubuntu").
Note: b) is the current behavior in Open Office and IE. FF behaves as in
a). The behavior currently implemented in the new WYSIWYG editor is a).
Also, by choosing b) I avoid the use of the special space character in
IE (see my previous mail), but I have to re-implement the current
behavior of the new WYSIWYG. I need around 2 days for it. Of course, it
will work for any inline style like bold, italic etc.
I'm +1 for b)
Thanks,
Marius.
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