24 May
2017
24 May
'17
11:51 a.m.
Hi devs,
I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new platform
flavor which is going to replace XE.
Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when installed XWiki now.
As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic flavor, not tied
to any specific use case (so forget about "Knwonledge Base Flavor"
:)).
Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails:
* "XWiki Flavor"
* "Default XWiki Flavor"
* "Generic XWiki Flavor"
* "Base XWiki Flavor"
"Generic" is probably a way too technical term.
"Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not really a base flavor.
Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency (of course it's
fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre installed
extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for me.
Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I know, it's not going
to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you actually see
severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it nicer than
"Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same thing since the
XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other flavor. I'm also
fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others think it's a better name.
WDYT ?
--
Thomas Mortagne
24 May
24 May
12:01 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [PROPOSAL] So, what display name for the new default flavor ?
On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com
wrote:
Hi devs,
I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new platform
flavor which is going to replace XE.
Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when installed
XWiki now.
As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic flavor, not tied
to any specific use case (so forget about "Knwonledge Base Flavor"
:)).
Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails:
* "XWiki Flavor"
* "Default XWiki Flavor"
+1 for Default XWiki Flavor
* "Generic XWiki Flavor"
* "Base XWiki Flavor"
"Generic" is probably a way too technical term.
"Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not really a base flavor.
Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency (of course it's
fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre installed
extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for me.
Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I know, it's not going
to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you actually see
severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it nicer than
"Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same thing since the
XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other flavor.
I really hope that in future we will change our mind (and have the
resources) to support more than 1 flavor.
Thanks,
Caty
I'm also
fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others think it's a better name.
WDYT ?
--
Thomas Mortagne
1:44 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [PROPOSAL] So, what display name for the new default flavor ?
On 05/24/2017 05:51 AM, Thomas Mortagne wrote:
Hi devs,
I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new platform
flavor which is going to replace XE.
Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when installed XWiki now.
As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic flavor, not tied
to any specific use case (so forget about "Knwonledge Base Flavor"
:)).
Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails:
* "XWiki Flavor"
* "Default XWiki Flavor"
* "Generic XWiki Flavor"
* "Base XWiki Flavor"
A few more ideas:
* Classic
* Raw
* Starter
"Generic" is probably a way too technical
term.
"Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not really a base flavor.
Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency (of course it's
fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre installed
extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for me.
Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I know, it's not going
to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you actually see
severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it nicer than
"Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same thing since the
XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other flavor. I'm also
fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others think it's a better name.
WDYT ?
--
Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
2:03 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [PROPOSAL] So, what display name for the new default flavor ?
On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.org> wrote:
--
Thomas Mortagne
On 05/24/2017 05:51 AM, Thomas Mortagne wrote:
Not a fan or "Raw".
I like "Classic", might sound better than "Default" for most users.
Not sure about "Starter".
Hi devs,
I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new platform
flavor which is going to replace XE.
Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when installed XWiki now.
As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic flavor, not tied
to any specific use case (so forget about "Knwonledge Base Flavor"
:)).
Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails:
* "XWiki Flavor"
* "Default XWiki Flavor"
* "Generic XWiki Flavor"
* "Base XWiki Flavor"
A few more ideas:
* Classic
* Raw
* Starter "Generic" is probably a way too
technical term.
"Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not really a base flavor.
Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency (of course it's
fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre installed
extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for me.
Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I know, it's not going
to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you actually see
severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it nicer than
"Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same thing since the
XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other flavor. I'm also
fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others think it's a better name.
WDYT ?
--
Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu/ 
2:16 p.m.
I m also in flavor of Classic Flavor for 3 reasons :
For the last 10 years, it was THE (only one) proposed flavor, now we might have more than
one
There is "Class" in classic , sound positive to me
It has a distinguishable name
I find "xwiki flavour" confusing ( it implies that other flavors are non-xwiki
ones...)
Olivier Sérès
Le 24 mai 2017 à 14:03, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> a écrit :
--
Thomas Mortagne
On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu
<sergiu(a)xwiki.org> wrote:
Not a fan or "Raw".
I like "Classic", might sound better than "Default" for most users.
Not sure about "Starter".
On 05/24/2017 05:51 AM, Thomas Mortagne wrote:
Hi devs,
I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new platform
flavor which is going to replace XE.
Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when installed XWiki now.
As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic flavor, not tied
to any specific use case (so forget about "Knwonledge Base Flavor"
:)).
Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails:
* "XWiki Flavor"
* "Default XWiki Flavor"
* "Generic XWiki Flavor"
* "Base XWiki Flavor"
A few more ideas:
* Classic
* Raw
* Starter "Generic" is probably a way too
technical term.
"Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not really a base flavor.
Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency (of course it's
fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre installed
extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for me.
Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I know, it's not going
to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you actually see
severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it nicer than
"Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same thing since the
XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other flavor. I'm also
fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others think it's a better name.
WDYT ?
--
Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu/ 
2:28 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [PROPOSAL] So, what display name for the new default flavor ?
+1 for Classic
2017-05-24 14:16 GMT+02:00 Olivier Seres <oseres(a)xwiki.com>om>:
I m also in flavor of Classic Flavor for 3 reasons :
For the last 10 years, it was THE (only one) proposed flavor, now we might
have more than one
There is "Class" in classic , sound positive to me
It has a distinguishable name
I find "xwiki flavour" confusing ( it implies that other flavors are
non-xwiki ones...)
Olivier Sérès
Not a fan or "Raw".
I like "Classic", might sound better than "Default" for most users.
Not sure about "Starter".
--
Thomas Mortagne
--
Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
Le 24 mai 2017 à 14:03, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> a
écrit :
> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.org>
wrote:
>> On 05/24/2017 05:51 AM, Thomas Mortagne
wrote:
>> Hi devs,
>>
>> I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new platform
>> flavor which is going to replace XE.
>>
>> Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when installed
XWiki now.
As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic flavor, not tied
to any specific use case (so forget about "Knwonledge Base Flavor"
:)).
Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails:
* "XWiki Flavor"
* "Default XWiki Flavor"
* "Generic XWiki Flavor"
* "Base XWiki Flavor"
A few more ideas:
* Classic
* Raw
* Starter "Generic" is probably a way too
technical term.
"Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not really a base flavor.
Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency (of course it's
fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre installed
extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for me.
Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I know, it's not going
to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you actually see
severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it nicer than
"Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same thing since the
XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other flavor. I'm also
fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others think it's a better name.
WDYT ?
--
Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu/ 
4:52 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [PROPOSAL] So, what display name for the new default flavor ?
On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau <
guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
+1 for Classic
Classic sounds good. +1
2017-05-24 14:16 GMT+02:00 Olivier Seres <oseres(a)xwiki.com>om>:
--
Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
I m also in flavor of Classic Flavor for 3
reasons :
For the last 10 years, it was THE (only one) proposed flavor, now we
might
have more than one
There is "Class" in classic , sound positive to me
It has a distinguishable name
I find "xwiki flavour" confusing ( it implies that other flavors are
non-xwiki ones...)
Olivier Sérès
tied
Le 24 mai 2017 à 14:03, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> a
écrit :
> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.org>
wrote:
>> On 05/24/2017 05:51 AM, Thomas Mortagne
wrote:
>> Hi devs,
>>
>> I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new platform
>> flavor which is going to replace XE.
>>
>> Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when installed
XWiki now.
>>>
>>> As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic flavor, not >>> to any specific use case (so forget
about "Knwonledge Base Flavor"
>>> :)).
>>>
>>> Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails:
>>> * "XWiki Flavor"
>>> * "Default XWiki Flavor"
>>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor"
>>> * "Base XWiki Flavor"
>>
>> A few more ideas:
>>
>> * Classic
>> * Raw
>> * Starter
>
> Not a fan or "Raw".
>
> I like "Classic", might sound better than "Default" for most
users.
> Not sure about "Starter".
>
>>
>>> "Generic" is probably a way too technical term.
>>>
>>> "Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not really a base
flavor.
>>> Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency (of course it's
>>> fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre installed
>>> extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for me.
>>>
>>> Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I know, it's not
going
>>> to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you actually
see
>>> severals of those in the picker
anyway and I find it nicer than
>>> "Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same thing since
the
>>> XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other flavor. I'm
also
> fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if
others think it's a better name.
>
> WDYT ?
>
--
Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
--
Thomas Mortagne 
26 May
26 May
12:27 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [PROPOSAL] So, what display name for the new default flavor ?
Hi,
What about "Standard XWiki Flavor"? I think it was mentioned in previous
discussions.
It`s basically what you get when you download. Once you start customizing
or installing some other Flavor, it`s no longer "standard".
That and the fact that we used to have, in older versions, a packaging (for
the xar or war module, don`t remember) that featured "standard" in it`s
name.
Thanks,
Eduard
On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau
<
guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
going
the
--
Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
+1 for Classic
Classic sounds good. +1
2017-05-24 14:16 GMT+02:00 Olivier Seres <oseres(a)xwiki.com>om>:
a
I m also in flavor of Classic Flavor for 3
reasons :
For the last 10 years, it was THE (only one) proposed flavor, now we
might
> have more than one
> There is "Class" in classic , sound positive to me
> It has a distinguishable name
>
> I find "xwiki flavour" confusing ( it implies that other flavors are
> non-xwiki ones...)
>
> Olivier Sérès
>
> > Le 24 mai 2017 à 14:03, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
> écrit :
> >
> >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.org>
> wrote:
> >>> On 05/24/2017 05:51 AM, Thomas Mortagne wrote:
> >>> Hi devs,
> >>>
> >>> I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new
platform
> >>> flavor which is going to replace XE.
> >>>
> >>> Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when
installed
XWiki
now.
>>>
>>> As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic flavor, not
tied
> >>> to any specific use case (so forget about "Knwonledge Base
Flavor"
> >>> :)).
> >>>
> >>> Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails:
> >>> * "XWiki Flavor"
> >>> * "Default XWiki Flavor"
> >>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor"
> >>> * "Base XWiki Flavor"
> >>
> >> A few more ideas:
> >>
> >> * Classic
> >> * Raw
> >> * Starter
> >
> > Not a fan or "Raw".
> >
> > I like "Classic", might sound better than "Default" for
most users.
> > Not sure about "Starter".
> >
> >>
> >>> "Generic" is probably a way too technical term.
> >>>
> >>> "Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not really a
base flavor.
> >>> Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency (of course it's
> >>> fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre installed
> >>> extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for me.
> >>>
> >>> Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I know,
it's not
>>> to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you actually
see
> >>> severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it nicer than
> >>> "Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same thing
since
>>> XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other flavor. I'm
also
>>
fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others think it's a better name.
>>
>> WDYT ?
>>
>
>
> --
> Sergiu Dumitriu
> http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
--
Thomas Mortagne
12:36 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [PROPOSAL] So, what display name for the new default flavor ?
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
What about "Standard XWiki Flavor"? I think it was mentioned in previous
discussions.
It`s basically what you get when you download. Once
you start customizing
or installing some other Flavor, it`s no longer "standard".
Note exactly. When you download XWiki you don't have any Flavor
installed, you choose the classic/standard one among several others
(ok maybe not several right now :)), it's just the first one listed.
That and the fact that we used to have, in older versions, a packaging (for
the xar or war module, don`t remember) that featured "standard" in it`s
name.
Thanks,
Eduard
On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau <
> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>
> > +1 for Classic
> >
>
> Classic sounds good. +1
>
>
> >
> > 2017-05-24 14:16 GMT+02:00 Olivier Seres <oseres(a)xwiki.com>om>:
> >
> > > I m also in flavor of Classic Flavor for 3 reasons :
> > > For the last 10 years, it was THE (only one) proposed flavor, now we
> > might
> > > have more than one
> > > There is "Class" in classic , sound positive to me
> > > It has a distinguishable name
> > >
> > > I find "xwiki flavour" confusing ( it implies that other flavors
are
> > > non-xwiki ones...)
> > >
> > > Olivier Sérès
> > >
> > > > Le 24 mai 2017 à 14:03, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
> a
> > > écrit :
> > > >
> > > >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu
<sergiu(a)xwiki.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>> On 05/24/2017 05:51 AM, Thomas Mortagne wrote:
> > > >>> Hi devs,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new
platform
> > > >>> flavor which is going to replace XE.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when
> installed
> > > XWiki now.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic flavor,
not
> > tied
> > > >>> to any specific use case (so forget about "Knwonledge
Base Flavor"
> > > >>> :)).
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails:
> > > >>> * "XWiki Flavor"
> > > >>> * "Default XWiki Flavor"
> > > >>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor"
> > > >>> * "Base XWiki Flavor"
> > > >>
> > > >> A few more ideas:
> > > >>
> > > >> * Classic
> > > >> * Raw
> > > >> * Starter
> > > >
> > > > Not a fan or "Raw".
> > > >
> > > > I like "Classic", might sound better than
"Default" for most users.
> > > > Not sure about "Starter".
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>> "Generic" is probably a way too technical term.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> "Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not
really a base flavor.
> > > >>> Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency (of course
it's
> > > >>> fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre
installed
> > > >>> extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for me.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I
know, it's not
> going
> > > >>> to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you
actually
> > see
> > > >>> severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it nicer
than
> > > >>> "Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the
same thing since
> the
> > > >>> XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other flavor.
I'm
> > also
> > > >>> fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others think
it's a better name.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> WDYT ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Sergiu Dumitriu
> > > >> http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Thomas Mortagne
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
> > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
> > Committer on the XWiki.org project
> >
>
--
Thomas Mortagne
12:50 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [PROPOSAL] So, what display name for the new default flavor ?
When you download the war, you have no UI. At that point, I guess you will
be proposed to install the default UI associated to your war (which, in
this case, will be one and the same with the "Standard XWiki Flavor") OR
choose from a list of available Flavors. In this case, I guess that
"Standard XWiki Flavor" will not be listed in the flavors list, to avoid
duplication.
If I got things right, then it sounds good to me to see the first option
(i.e. featured) to be the "standard" and, below it, various alternatives
for various/specialized use cases.
Thanks,
Eduard
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Eduard Moraru
<enygma2002(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi,
What about "Standard XWiki Flavor"? I think it was mentioned in previous
discussions.
It`s basically what you get when you download.
Once you start customizing
or installing some other Flavor, it`s no longer "standard".
Note exactly. When you download XWiki you don't have any Flavor
installed, you choose the classic/standard one among several others
(ok maybe not several right now :)), it's just the first one listed.
That and the fact that we used to have, in older versions, a packaging
(for
the xar or war module, don`t remember) that
featured "standard" in it`s
name.
Thanks,
Eduard
On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau <
> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>
> > +1 for Classic
> >
>
> Classic sounds good. +1
>
>
> >
> > 2017-05-24 14:16 GMT+02:00 Olivier Seres <oseres(a)xwiki.com>om>:
> >
> > > I m also in flavor of Classic Flavor for 3 reasons :
> > > For the last 10 years, it was THE (only one) proposed flavor, now we
> > might
> > > have more than one
> > > There is "Class" in classic , sound positive to me
> > > It has a distinguishable name
> > >
> > > I find "xwiki flavour" confusing ( it implies that other flavors
are
> > > non-xwiki ones...)
> > >
> > > Olivier Sérès
> > >
> > > > Le 24 mai 2017 à 14:03, Thomas Mortagne <
thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
> a
> > > écrit :
> > > >
> > > >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <
sergiu(a)xwiki.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>> On 05/24/2017 05:51 AM, Thomas Mortagne wrote:
> > > >>> Hi devs,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new
platform
> > > >>> flavor which is going
to replace XE.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when
> installed
> > > XWiki now.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic flavor,
not
> > tied
> > > >>> to any specific use case (so forget about "Knwonledge
Base
Flavor"
> > > >>> :)).
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails:
> > > >>> * "XWiki Flavor"
> > > >>> * "Default XWiki Flavor"
> > > >>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor"
> > > >>> * "Base XWiki Flavor"
> > > >>
> > > >> A few more ideas:
> > > >>
> > > >> * Classic
> > > >> * Raw
> > > >> * Starter
> > > >
> > > > Not a fan or "Raw".
> > > >
> > > > I like "Classic", might sound better than
"Default" for most
users.
> > > > Not sure about
"Starter".
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>> "Generic" is probably a way too technical term.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> "Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not
really a base
flavor.
> > > >>> Its primary goal is
not to be used as a dependency (of course
it's
> > > >>> fine to have it as
dependency if you just want to add pre
installed
> > > >>> extensions to the
default flavor). It's a -1 for me.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I
know, it's not
> going
> > > >>> to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you
actually
> > see
> > > >>> severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it nicer
than
> > > >>> "Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the
same thing
since
> the
> > > >>> XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other flavor.
I'm
> > also
> > > >>> fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others think
it's a better
name.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> WDYT ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Sergiu Dumitriu
> > > >> http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Thomas Mortagne
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
> > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
> > Committer on the XWiki.org project
> >
>
--
Thomas Mortagne
1:55 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [PROPOSAL] So, what display name for the new default flavor ?
No there is no default UI in this distribution, just flavors.
As I said in the previous mail you will have a flavor picker in which
you will see the classic one and the others.
Of course other distributions of XWiki may still have default UI and
don't let you choose a flavor like XE does.
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com> wrote:
When you download the war, you have no UI. At that
point, I guess you will
be proposed to install the default UI associated to your war (which, in
this case, will be one and the same with the "Standard XWiki Flavor") OR
choose from a list of available Flavors. In this case, I guess that
"Standard XWiki Flavor" will not be listed in the flavors list, to avoid
duplication.
If I got things right, then it sounds good to me to see the first option
(i.e. featured) to be the "standard" and, below it, various alternatives
for various/specialized use cases.
Thanks,
Eduard
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > What about "Standard XWiki Flavor"? I think it was mentioned in
previous
> > discussions.
> >
>
> > It`s basically what you get when you download. Once you start customizing
> > or installing some other Flavor, it`s no longer "standard".
>
> Note exactly. When you download XWiki you don't have any Flavor
> installed, you choose the classic/standard one among several others
> (ok maybe not several right now :)), it's just the first one listed.
>
> >
> > That and the fact that we used to have, in older versions, a packaging
> (for
> > the xar or war module, don`t remember) that featured "standard" in
it`s
> > name.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eduard
> >
> > On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
> > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau <
> >> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > +1 for Classic
> >> >
> >>
> >> Classic sounds good. +1
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > 2017-05-24 14:16 GMT+02:00 Olivier Seres <oseres(a)xwiki.com>om>:
> >> >
> >> > > I m also in flavor of Classic Flavor for 3 reasons :
> >> > > For the last 10 years, it was THE (only one) proposed flavor, now
we
> >> > might
> >> > > have more than one
> >> > > There is "Class" in classic , sound positive to me
> >> > > It has a distinguishable name
> >> > >
> >> > > I find "xwiki flavour" confusing ( it implies that
other flavors
> are
> >> > > non-xwiki ones...)
> >> > >
> >> > > Olivier Sérès
> >> > >
> >> > > > Le 24 mai 2017 à 14:03, Thomas Mortagne <
> thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
> >> a
> >> > > écrit :
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <
> sergiu(a)xwiki.org>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >>> On 05/24/2017 05:51 AM, Thomas Mortagne wrote:
> >> > > >>> Hi devs,
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work
around new
> platform
> >> > > >>> flavor which is going to replace XE.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor
picker when
> >> installed
> >> > > XWiki now.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic
flavor,
> not
> >> > tied
> >> > > >>> to any specific use case (so forget about
"Knwonledge Base
> Flavor"
> >> > > >>> :)).
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails:
> >> > > >>> * "XWiki Flavor"
> >> > > >>> * "Default XWiki Flavor"
> >> > > >>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor"
> >> > > >>> * "Base XWiki Flavor"
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> A few more ideas:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> * Classic
> >> > > >> * Raw
> >> > > >> * Starter
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Not a fan or "Raw".
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I like "Classic", might sound better than
"Default" for most
> users.
> >> > > > Not sure about "Starter".
> >> > > >
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>> "Generic" is probably a way too technical
term.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> "Base" would be misleading IMO since
it's not really a base
> flavor.
> >> > > >>> Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency
(of course
> it's
> >> > > >>> fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add
pre
> installed
> >> > > >>> extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for
me.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki
Flavor". I know, it's not
> >> going
> >> > > >>> to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious
when you
> actually
> >> > see
> >> > > >>> severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it
nicer than
> >> > > >>> "Default XWiki Flavor" which basically
means the same thing
> since
> >> the
> >> > > >>> XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other
flavor.
> I'm
> >> > also
> >> > > >>> fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others
think it's a better
> name.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> WDYT ?
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> --
> >> > > >> Sergiu Dumitriu
> >> > > >> http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Thomas Mortagne
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
> >> > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
> >> > Committer on the XWiki.org project
> >> >
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> Thomas Mortagne
>
--
Thomas Mortagne
2:59 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [PROPOSAL] So, what display name for the new default flavor ?
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
No there is no default UI in this distribution, just
flavors.
As I said in the previous mail you will have a flavor picker in which
you will see the classic one and the others.
Of course other distributions of XWiki may still have default UI and
don't let you choose a flavor like XE does.
I feel we`re having a bit of duplication here between the "default UI" and
the "Flavor" steps. AFAICT, they do pretty much the same thing and should
ideally be merged. Basically, the default UI mechanism should indicate the
recommended flavor/ui (if any) for the war you have, but should also not
enforce it, allowing you to go with whatever flavor you like. There's
really no point in separating the 2 and I guess we are here because they
were developed in separate efforts.
Anyway, back to the original question of the thread, I reiterate my +1 for
"Standard" (I'm not a fan of "classic", which I find awkward and a
bit
old-fashion/outdated :), specially if you consider people new to XWiki).
Thanks,
Eduard
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
When you download the war, you have no UI. At
that point, I guess you
will
be proposed to install the default UI associated
to your war (which, in
this case, will be one and the same with the "Standard XWiki Flavor") OR
choose from a list of available Flavors. In this case, I guess that
"Standard XWiki Flavor" will not be listed in the flavors list, to avoid
duplication.
If I got things right, then it sounds good to me to see the first option
(i.e. featured) to be the "standard" and, below it, various alternatives
for various/specialized use cases.
Thanks,
Eduard
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Thomas Mortagne <
thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > What about "Standard XWiki Flavor"? I think it was mentioned in
previous
> > discussions.
> >
>
> > It`s basically what you get when you download. Once you start
customizing
> > or installing some other Flavor, it`s no
longer "standard".
>
> Note exactly. When you download XWiki you don't have any Flavor
> installed, you choose the classic/standard one among several others
> (ok maybe not several right now :)), it's just the first one listed.
>
> >
> > That and the fact that we used to have, in older versions, a packaging
> (for
> > the xar or war module, don`t remember) that featured "standard" in
it`s
> > name.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eduard
> >
> > On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
> > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau <
> >> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > +1 for Classic
> >> >
> >>
> >> Classic sounds good. +1
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > 2017-05-24 14:16 GMT+02:00 Olivier Seres <oseres(a)xwiki.com>om>:
> >> >
> >> > > I m also in flavor of Classic Flavor for 3 reasons :
> >> > > For the last 10 years, it was THE (only one) proposed flavor,
now we
> >> > might
> >> > > have more than one
> >> > > There is "Class" in classic , sound positive to me
> >> > > It has a distinguishable name
> >> > >
> >> > > I find "xwiki flavour" confusing ( it implies that
other flavors
> are
> >> > > non-xwiki ones...)
> >> > >
> >> > > Olivier Sérès
> >> > >
> >> > > > Le 24 mai 2017 à 14:03, Thomas Mortagne <
> thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
> >> a
> >> > > écrit :
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <
> sergiu(a)xwiki.org>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >>> On 05/24/2017 05:51 AM, Thomas Mortagne wrote:
> >> > > >>> Hi devs,
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work
around new
> platform
> >> > > >>> flavor which is going to replace XE.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor
picker when
> >> installed
> >> > > XWiki now.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic
flavor,
> not
> >> > tied
> >> > > >>> to any specific use case (so forget about
"Knwonledge Base
> Flavor"
> >> > > >>> :)).
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails:
> >> > > >>> * "XWiki Flavor"
> >> > > >>> * "Default XWiki Flavor"
> >> > > >>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor"
> >> > > >>> * "Base XWiki Flavor"
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> A few more ideas:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> * Classic
> >> > > >> * Raw
> >> > > >> * Starter
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Not a fan or "Raw".
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I like "Classic", might sound better than
"Default" for most
> users.
> >> > > > Not sure about "Starter".
> >> > > >
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>> "Generic" is probably a way too technical
term.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> "Base" would be misleading IMO since
it's not really a base
> flavor.
> >> > > >>> Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency
(of course
> it's
> >> > > >>> fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add
pre
> installed
> >> > > >>> extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for
me.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki
Flavor". I know, it's
not
> >> going
> >> > > >>> to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious
when you
> actually
> >> > see
> >> > > >>> severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it
nicer
than
> >> > > >>> "Default
XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same thing
> since
> >> the
> >> > > >>> XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other
flavor.
> I'm
> >> > also
> >> > > >>> fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others
think it's a better
> name.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> WDYT ?
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> --
> >> > > >> Sergiu Dumitriu
> >> > > >> http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Thomas Mortagne
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
> >> > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
> >> > Committer on the XWiki.org project
> >> >
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> Thomas Mortagne
>
--
Thomas Mortagne
4:20 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [PROPOSAL] So, what display name for the new default flavor ?
I'm not keen on the "Standard" terminology because it can make people think
other flavors (such as Knowleged Flavor) are not standard which could be
seen as pejorative.
"Classic" does not imply being better or worse and describes what this
flavor really is: the "classical" version of XWiki that we have distributed
for years. Which also means: not specialized for a special use-case.
Thanks,
Guillaume
2017-05-26 14:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com>om>:
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Thomas Mortagne <
thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
packaging
flavors
flavor.
--
Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
No there is no default UI in this distribution,
just flavors.
As I said in the previous mail you will have a flavor picker in which
you will see the classic one and the others.
Of course other distributions of XWiki may still have default UI and
don't let you choose a flavor like XE does.
I feel we`re having a bit of duplication here between the "default UI" and
the "Flavor" steps. AFAICT, they do pretty much the same thing and should
ideally be merged. Basically, the default UI mechanism should indicate the
recommended flavor/ui (if any) for the war you have, but should also not
enforce it, allowing you to go with whatever flavor you like. There's
really no point in separating the 2 and I guess we are here because they
were developed in separate efforts.
Anyway, back to the original question of the thread, I reiterate my +1 for
"Standard" (I'm not a fan of "classic", which I find awkward and
a bit
old-fashion/outdated :), specially if you consider people new to XWiki).
Thanks,
Eduard
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
OR
When you download the war, you have no UI. At
that point, I guess you
will
> be proposed to install the default UI associated to your war (which, in
> this case, will be one and the same with the "Standard XWiki Flavor")
> choose from a list of available Flavors. In
this case, I guess that
> "Standard XWiki Flavor" will not be listed in the flavors list, to
avoid
> duplication.
>
> If I got things right, then it sounds good to me to see the first
option
> (i.e. featured) to be the
"standard" and, below it, various
alternatives
for
various/specialized use cases.
Thanks,
Eduard
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Thomas Mortagne <
thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > What about "Standard XWiki Flavor"? I think it was mentioned in
previous
> > discussions.
> >
>
> > It`s basically what you get when you download. Once you start
customizing
>> > or installing some other Flavor, it`s no longer "standard".
>>
>> Note exactly. When you download XWiki you don't have any Flavor
>> installed, you choose the classic/standard one among several others
>> (ok maybe not several right now :)), it's just the first one listed.
>>
>> >
>> > That and the fact that we used to have, in older versions, a > (for
> > the xar or war module, don`t remember) that featured "standard" in
it`s
> > name.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eduard
> >
> > On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
> > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau <
> >> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > +1 for Classic
> >> >
> >>
> >> Classic sounds good. +1
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > 2017-05-24 14:16 GMT+02:00 Olivier Seres <oseres(a)xwiki.com>om>:
> >> >
> >> > > I m also in flavor of Classic Flavor for 3 reasons :
> >> > > For the last 10 years, it was THE (only one) proposed flavor,
now we
>> >> > might
>> >> > > have more than one
>> >> > > There is "Class" in classic , sound positive to me
>> >> > > It has a distinguishable name
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I find "xwiki flavour" confusing ( it implies that
other >> are
>> >> > > non-xwiki ones...)
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Olivier Sérès
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > Le 24 mai 2017 à 14:03, Thomas Mortagne <
>> thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
>> >> a
>> >> > > écrit :
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu
<
>> sergiu(a)xwiki.org>
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > >>> On 05/24/2017 05:51 AM, Thomas Mortagne wrote:
>> >> > > >>> Hi devs,
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> I'm getting closer to finish with the hard
work around new
>> platform
>> >> > > >>> flavor which is going to replace XE.
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor
picker when
>> >> installed
>> >> > > XWiki now.
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> As a reminder we decided that this would be a
generic
flavor,
>> not
>> >> > tied
>> >> > > >>> to any specific use case (so forget about
"Knwonledge Base
>> Flavor"
>> >> > > >>> :)).
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails:
>> >> > > >>> * "XWiki Flavor"
>> >> > > >>> * "Default XWiki Flavor"
>> >> > > >>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor"
>> >> > > >>> * "Base XWiki Flavor"
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> A few more ideas:
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> * Classic
>> >> > > >> * Raw
>> >> > > >> * Starter
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Not a fan or "Raw".
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I like "Classic", might sound better than
"Default" for most
>> users.
>> >> > > > Not sure about "Starter".
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>> "Generic" is probably a way too
technical term.
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> "Base" would be misleading IMO since
it's not really a base
>> flavor.
>> >> > > >>> Its primary goal is not to be used as a
dependency (of
course
>
it's
> >> > > >>> fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add
pre
> installed
> >> > > >>> extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for
me.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki
Flavor". I know, it's
not
> >> going
> >> > > >>> to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious
when you
> actually
> >> > see
> >> > > >>> severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it
nicer
than
>> >> > > >>> "Default XWiki Flavor" which basically
means the same thing
>> since
>> >> the
>> >> > > >>> XWiki core project does not plan to provide any
other >> I'm
>> >> > also
>> >> > > >>> fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if
others think it's a
better
>
name.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> WDYT ?
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> --
> >> > > >> Sergiu Dumitriu
> >> > > >> http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Thomas Mortagne
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
> >> > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
> >> > Committer on the XWiki.org project
> >> >
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> Thomas Mortagne
>
--
Thomas Mortagne
27 May
27 May
11:40 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [PROPOSAL] So, what display name for the new default flavor ?
"Standard" -> Current, generalist, non-specialized, all-round solution,
good for everybody to use or to start with
* https://www.google.ro/search?q=define+standard
* http://www.dictionary.com/browse/standard
"Classic" -> Old, legacy, historical, proven reliable by time, etc. (when
comparing to the modern, current version); generally implies "old", in one
way or another
* https://www.google.ro/search?q=define+classic
* http://www.dictionary.com/browse/classic
You usually have this in software when you have 2 versions: current/modern
one (standard) and the older one (classic).
IMO, "classic", by itself, does not make sense (i.e. when you don`t have a
"standard" to compare with) and it would be sending the wrong message.
Also, everything we do (developing, manual and automated testing, roadmap,
etc.) is around this flavor, so it is the "standard" to which we relate.
I also have nothing against "Generic" or "Default" (i.e. +0) which
focus
more on the functional objective of the flavor, but they get a bit
technical by going into these details, so that`s why I felt "Standard" was
abstract enough and also clear enough in sending the right message, which
is "Pick me if you don`t know what you want".
P.S.: "classic" bikeshedding :) (but I guess it's OK on this type of thread
:) )
Thanks,
Eduard
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau <
guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
I'm not keen on the "Standard"
terminology because it can make people think
other flavors (such as Knowleged Flavor) are not standard which could be
seen as pejorative.
"Classic" does not imply being better or worse and describes what this
flavor really is: the "classical" version of XWiki that we have distributed
for years. Which also means: not specialized for a special use-case.
Thanks,
Guillaume
2017-05-26 14:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com>om>:
enygma2002(a)gmail.com
packaging
flavors
> >> are
> >> >> > > non-xwiki ones...)
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Olivier Sérès
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > Le 24 mai 2017 à 14:03, Thomas Mortagne <
> >> thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
> >> >> a
> >> >> > > écrit :
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Sergiu
Dumitriu <
> >> sergiu(a)xwiki.org>
> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> > > >>> On 05/24/2017 05:51 AM, Thomas Mortagne
wrote:
> >> >> > > >>> Hi devs,
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> I'm getting closer to finish with the
hard work around new
Base
it's
--
Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Thomas Mortagne
<
thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
and
No there is no default UI in this distribution,
just flavors.
As I said in the previous mail you will have a flavor picker in which
you will see the classic one and the others.
Of course other distributions of XWiki may still have default UI and
don't let you choose a flavor like XE does.
I feel we`re having a bit of duplication here between the "default UI" the "Flavor" steps. AFAICT, they do
pretty much the same thing and should
ideally be merged. Basically, the default UI mechanism should indicate
the
recommended flavor/ui (if any) for the war you
have, but should also not
enforce it, allowing you to go with whatever flavor you like. There's
really no point in separating the 2 and I guess we are here because they
were developed in separate efforts.
Anyway, back to the original question of the thread, I reiterate my +1
for
"Standard" (I'm not a fan of
"classic", which I find awkward and a bit
old-fashion/outdated :), specially if you consider people new to XWiki).
Thanks,
Eduard
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > When you download the war, you have no UI. At that point, I guess you
> will
> > be proposed to install the default UI associated to your war (which,
in
> this
case, will be one and the same with the "Standard XWiki Flavor")
OR
> choose from a list of available Flavors. In
this case, I guess that
> "Standard XWiki Flavor" will not be listed in the flavors list, to
avoid
> duplication.
>
> If I got things right, then it sounds good to me to see the first
option
> (i.e. featured) to be the
"standard" and, below it, various
alternatives
> > for various/specialized use cases.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eduard
> >
> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Thomas Mortagne <
> thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Eduard Moraru < > wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > What about "Standard XWiki Flavor"? I think it was mentioned in
previous
> > discussions.
> >
>
> > It`s basically what you get when you download. Once you start
customizing
>> > or installing some other Flavor, it`s no longer "standard".
>>
>> Note exactly. When you download XWiki you don't have any Flavor
>> installed, you choose the classic/standard one among several others
>> (ok maybe not several right now :)), it's just the first one listed.
>>
>> >
>> > That and the fact that we used to have, in older versions, a > (for
> > the xar or war module, don`t remember) that featured "standard" in
it`s
> > name.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eduard
> >
> > On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
> > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau <
> >> guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > +1 for Classic
> >> >
> >>
> >> Classic sounds good. +1
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > 2017-05-24 14:16 GMT+02:00 Olivier Seres <oseres(a)xwiki.com>om>:
> >> >
> >> > > I m also in flavor of Classic Flavor for 3 reasons :
> >> > > For the last 10 years, it was THE (only one) proposed flavor,
now we
>> >> > might
>> >> > > have more than one
>> >> > > There is "Class" in classic , sound positive to me
>> >> > > It has a distinguishable name
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I find "xwiki flavour" confusing ( it implies that
other > >> platform
> >> >> > > >>> flavor which is going to replace XE.
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> Need to decide what user will see in the
Flavor picker
when
>>
>> installed
>> >> > > XWiki now.
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> As a reminder we decided that this would be a
generic
flavor,
> >> not
> >> >> > tied
> >> >> > > >>> to any specific use case (so forget about
"Knwonledge > >> Flavor"
> >> >> > > >>> :)).
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> Here is a few ideas gathered in previous
mails:
> >> >> > > >>> * "XWiki Flavor"
> >> >> > > >>> * "Default XWiki Flavor"
> >> >> > > >>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor"
> >> >> > > >>> * "Base XWiki Flavor"
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> A few more ideas:
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> * Classic
> >> >> > > >> * Raw
> >> >> > > >> * Starter
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Not a fan or "Raw".
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > I like "Classic", might sound better than
"Default" for
most
> >> users.
> >> >> > > > Not sure about "Starter".
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>> "Generic" is probably a way too
technical term.
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> "Base" would be misleading IMO
since it's not really a
base
>>
flavor.
>> >> > > >>> Its primary goal is not to be used as a
dependency (of
course
> >> it's
> >> >> > > >>> fine to have it as dependency if you just
want to add pre
> >> installed
> >> >> > > >>> extensions to the default flavor). It's
a -1 for me.
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki
Flavor". I know, > not
> >> >> going
> >> >> > > >>> to be the only flavor for XWiki but
it's obvious when you
> >> actually
> >> >> > see
> >> >> > > >>> severals of those in the picker anyway and
I find it
nicer
> than
> >> >> > > >>> "Default XWiki Flavor" which
basically means the same
thing
>>
since
>> >> the
>> >> > > >>> XWiki core project does not plan to provide any
other
flavor.
>> I'm
>> >> > also
>> >> > > >>> fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if
others think it's a
better
>
name.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> WDYT ?
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> --
> >> > > >> Sergiu Dumitriu
> >> > > >> http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Thomas Mortagne
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
> >> > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
> >> > Committer on the XWiki.org project
> >> >
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> Thomas Mortagne
>
--
Thomas Mortagne
9 Jun
9 Jun
4:18 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [PROPOSAL] So, what display name for the new default flavor ?
So I’ve read this thread and here’s my POV:
* "Base XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Thomas)
* “Classic XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Edy, it means there’s a non classic and
*better* one and we don’t have one so it doesn’t make sense)
* “Raw XWiki Flavor” -1 (not enough meaning IMO and a bit deprecatory)
* “Starter XWiki Flavor” -1 (would mean there’s another flavor which isn’t the case)
* "Default XWiki Flavor” +1
* "Generic XWiki Flavor” +1
* “Standard XWiki Flavor” +1 (makes the most sense IMO)
* "XWiki Flavor”. Here it’s hard to understand that “XWiki” actually means “developed
by the XWiki project” and it would work only if other flavors don’t have “XWiki” in the
name. This is why I’m -1 ATM for it. IMO it’s not easy enough to differentiate and
understand what it means compared to other listed flavors such “Procedure Flavor” from
XWiki SAS or “Demo Flavor” from contrib.
Thanks
-Vincent
On 24 May 2017, at 11:51, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi devs,
I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new platform
flavor which is going to replace XE.
Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when installed XWiki now.
As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic flavor, not tied
to any specific use case (so forget about "Knwonledge Base Flavor"
:)).
Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails:
* "XWiki Flavor"
* "Default XWiki Flavor"
* "Generic XWiki Flavor"
* "Base XWiki Flavor"
"Generic" is probably a way too technical term.
"Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not really a base flavor.
Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency (of course it's
fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre installed
extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for me.
Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I know, it's not going
to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you actually see
severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it nicer than
"Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same thing since the
XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other flavor. I'm also
fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others think it's a better name.
WDYT ?
--
Thomas Mortagne
4:48 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [PROPOSAL] So, what display name for the new default flavor ?
So here is the current situation
= Proposition which don't annoy people enough to get a veto
* "Default XWiki Flavor" (+3)
* "Standard XWiki Flavor" (+2)
= Someone gave a veto on those
* "Base XWiki Flavor"
* "Classic XWiki Flavor" (good success for this one until it hits Edy
and Vincent)
* "Raw XWiki Flavor"
* "Starter XWiki Flavor"
* "XWiki Flavor”
* "Generic XWiki Flavor"
Anyone want to change his votes ?
I don't really have a preference between "Default" and
"Standard".
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
So I’ve read this thread and here’s my POV:
* "Base XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Thomas)
* “Classic XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Edy, it means there’s a non classic and
*better* one and we don’t have one so it doesn’t make sense)
* “Raw XWiki Flavor” -1 (not enough meaning IMO and a bit deprecatory)
* “Starter XWiki Flavor” -1 (would mean there’s another flavor which isn’t the case)
* "Default XWiki Flavor” +1
* "Generic XWiki Flavor” +1
* “Standard XWiki Flavor” +1 (makes the most sense IMO)
* "XWiki Flavor”. Here it’s hard to understand that “XWiki” actually means
“developed by the XWiki project” and it would work only if other flavors don’t have
“XWiki” in the name. This is why I’m -1 ATM for it. IMO it’s not easy enough to
differentiate and understand what it means compared to other listed flavors such
“Procedure Flavor” from XWiki SAS or “Demo Flavor” from contrib.
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne
On 24 May 2017, at 11:51, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi devs,
I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new platform
flavor which is going to replace XE.
Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when installed XWiki now.
As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic flavor, not tied
to any specific use case (so forget about "Knwonledge Base Flavor"
:)).
Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails:
* "XWiki Flavor"
* "Default XWiki Flavor"
* "Generic XWiki Flavor"
* "Base XWiki Flavor"
"Generic" is probably a way too technical term.
"Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not really a base flavor.
Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency (of course it's
fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre installed
extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for me.
Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I know, it's not going
to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you actually see
severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it nicer than
"Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same thing since the
XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other flavor. I'm also
fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others think it's a better name.
WDYT ?
--
Thomas Mortagne
10 Jun
10 Jun
11:46 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [PROPOSAL] So, what display name for the new default flavor ?
Hi All,
Sorry to jump in after an already long discussion since we are getting close to a
conclusion, so I just don’t want my intervention to cause more fuzz than good.
I am in accordance with most of what was said so far, but “Default” looks to me a less
valuable naming than “Standard”, it is not a strong opinion, so I give my +1 to “Standard”
and +0 to “Default”. I will use “Standard" in the following, just to be clearer, but
you can substitute it with “Default” if you wish (you might notice further subtle
differences, or not).
So, what I am not sure about now is why all proposals end with “XWiki flavor” (and this is
not really about the American spelling of flavour ! :D). All flavours we gonna have surely
will be XWiki ones, won’t it ? So if we start with the “Standard XWiki Flavor”, I am
afraid we are going to lead a movement where everyone will name their flavour with that
same suffix. Is that our intention ?
“XWiki Standard Flavor” would already carry a different meaning, since it would say more
“Standard flavour made by the XWiki team”. However, if our intent was more to say this is
a generic wiki flavour, using “Standard Wiki Flavor” looks more in line with our intended
meaning. And if our meaning is more that this is just a generic flavour, ending with
“Standard Flavor” is probably simpler, clearer and better.
WDYT ?
--
Denis Gervalle
SOFTEC sa - CEO
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 16:48, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
So here is the current situation
= Proposition which don't annoy people enough to get a veto
* "Default XWiki Flavor" (+3)
* "Standard XWiki Flavor" (+2)
= Someone gave a veto on those
* "Base XWiki Flavor"
* "Classic XWiki Flavor" (good success for this one until it hits Edy
and Vincent)
* "Raw XWiki Flavor"
* "Starter XWiki Flavor"
* "XWiki Flavor”
* "Generic XWiki Flavor"
Anyone want to change his votes ?
I don't really have a preference between "Default" and
"Standard".
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
So I’ve read this thread and here’s my POV:
* "Base XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Thomas)
* “Classic XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Edy, it means there’s a non classic and
*better* one and we don’t have one so it doesn’t make sense)
* “Raw XWiki Flavor” -1 (not enough meaning IMO and a bit deprecatory)
* “Starter XWiki Flavor” -1 (would mean there’s another flavor which isn’t the case)
* "Default XWiki Flavor” +1
* "Generic XWiki Flavor” +1
* “Standard XWiki Flavor” +1 (makes the most sense IMO)
* "XWiki Flavor”. Here it’s hard to understand that “XWiki” actually means
“developed by the XWiki project” and it would work only if other flavors don’t have
“XWiki” in the name. This is why I’m -1 ATM for it. IMO it’s not easy enough to
differentiate and understand what it means compared to other listed flavors such
“Procedure Flavor” from XWiki SAS or “Demo Flavor” from contrib.
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne
On 24 May 2017, at 11:51, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi devs,
I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new platform
flavor which is going to replace XE.
Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when installed XWiki now.
As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic flavor, not tied
to any specific use case (so forget about "Knwonledge Base Flavor"
:)).
Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails:
* "XWiki Flavor"
* "Default XWiki Flavor"
* "Generic XWiki Flavor"
* "Base XWiki Flavor"
"Generic" is probably a way too technical term.
"Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not really a base flavor.
Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency (of course it's
fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre installed
extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for me.
Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I know, it's not going
to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you actually see
severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it nicer than
"Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same thing since the
XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other flavor. I'm also
fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others think it's a better name.
WDYT ?
--
Thomas Mortagne
1:07 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [PROPOSAL] So, what display name for the new default flavor ?
Hi Denis and all,
On 10 Jun 2017, at 11:46, Denis Gervalle
<dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
Hi All,
Sorry to jump in after an already long discussion since we are getting close to a
conclusion, so I just don’t want my intervention to cause more fuzz than good.
I am in accordance with most of what was said so far, but “Default” looks to me a less
valuable naming than “Standard”, it is not a strong opinion, so I give my +1 to “Standard”
and +0 to “Default”. I will use “Standard" in the following, just to be clearer, but
you can substitute it with “Default” if you wish (you might notice further subtle
differences, or not).
So, what I am not sure about now is why all proposals end with “XWiki flavor” (and this
is not really about the American spelling of flavour ! :D). All flavours we gonna have
surely will be XWiki ones, won’t it ? So if we start with the “Standard XWiki Flavor”, I
am afraid we are going to lead a movement where everyone will name their flavour with that
same suffix. Is that our intention ?
“XWiki Standard Flavor” would already carry a different meaning, since it would say more
“Standard flavour made by the XWiki team”. However, if our intent was more to say this is
a generic wiki flavour, using “Standard Wiki Flavor” looks more in line with our intended
meaning. And if our meaning is more that this is just a generic flavour, ending with
“Standard Flavor” is probably simpler, clearer and better.
WDYT ?
I agree with you.
I think we have 2 choices for the name that appears in the DW UI:
* “Standard”. We may not even need the “Flavor” suffix in the same way as we don’t add an
“Extension” suffix in the EM UI. IMO the DW UI for flavors should indicate the author in
the UI, something like ”Standard” and then “developed by XWiki Development Team” or
“developed by XWiki SAS” or “developed by Denis Gervalle”.
* "XWiki Standard” or “XWiki Standard Flavor” to indicate it’s the one made by the
XWiki open source dev team. So that could be the full name but the name we display in the
DW UI could simply be “Standard Flavor” and then “developed by XWiki Development Team”,
etc.
If we want to use the term “Wiki” then it could come as a replacement for the “Standard”
term, to mention that it’s a generic wiki flavor, as opposed to an intranet flavor, a
knowledge base flavor, etc. But I agree that “Wiki Flavor” is a good contender (and one
that Ludovic mentioned too, he even mentioned Structured Wiki Flavor). I’d be +0 on “Wiki
Flavor”. “Standard Wiki Flavor” is also possible and hints that there can be other generic
Wiki flavors that are not standard. So I’m also +0 for it.
Now outside of the DW UI, the full name of the flavors done by the XWiki Dev Team could be
prefixed with XWiki as in “the XWiki Standard Flavor” (or “XWiki Demo Flavor”). Other
companies or individuals would name is with their identity, such as “the <my
company> Procedure Flavor”.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Denis Gervalle
SOFTEC sa - CEO
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 16:48, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
So here is the current situation
= Proposition which don't annoy people enough to get a veto
* "Default XWiki Flavor" (+3)
* "Standard XWiki Flavor" (+2)
= Someone gave a veto on those
* "Base XWiki Flavor"
* "Classic XWiki Flavor" (good success for this one until it hits Edy
and Vincent)
* "Raw XWiki Flavor"
* "Starter XWiki Flavor"
* "XWiki Flavor”
* "Generic XWiki Flavor"
Anyone want to change his votes ?
I don't really have a preference between "Default" and
"Standard".
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
So I’ve read this thread and here’s my POV:
* "Base XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Thomas)
* “Classic XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Edy, it means there’s a non classic and
*better* one and we don’t have one so it doesn’t make sense)
* “Raw XWiki Flavor” -1 (not enough meaning IMO and a bit deprecatory)
* “Starter XWiki Flavor” -1 (would mean there’s another flavor which isn’t the case)
* "Default XWiki Flavor” +1
* "Generic XWiki Flavor” +1
* “Standard XWiki Flavor” +1 (makes the most sense IMO)
* "XWiki Flavor”. Here it’s hard to understand that “XWiki” actually means
“developed by the XWiki project” and it would work only if other flavors don’t have
“XWiki” in the name. This is why I’m -1 ATM for it. IMO it’s not easy enough to
differentiate and understand what it means compared to other listed flavors such
“Procedure Flavor” from XWiki SAS or “Demo Flavor” from contrib.
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne On 24 May 2017, at 11:51, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi devs,
I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new platform
flavor which is going to replace XE.
Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when installed XWiki now.
As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic flavor, not tied
to any specific use case (so forget about "Knwonledge Base Flavor"
:)).
Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails:
* "XWiki Flavor"
* "Default XWiki Flavor"
* "Generic XWiki Flavor"
* "Base XWiki Flavor"
"Generic" is probably a way too technical term.
"Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not really a base flavor.
Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency (of course it's
fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre installed
extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for me.
Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I know, it's not going
to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you actually see
severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it nicer than
"Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same thing since the
XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other flavor. I'm also
fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others think it's a better name.
WDYT ?
--
Thomas Mortagne
7:07 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [PROPOSAL] So, what display name for the new default flavor ?
Hi,
I'm jumping in a bit late, but I was just wondering if anyone considered
"Vanilla" [1]. It was the absolute first thing that popped to my mind when
I saw the discussion about naming the standard flavour.
Just my 2 cents,
Marta
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla_software
On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 7:07 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi Denis and all,
--
Thomas Mortagne
On 10 Jun 2017, at 11:46, Denis Gervalle
<dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
Hi All,
Sorry to jump in after an already long discussion since we are getting
close to a
conclusion, so I just don’t want my intervention to cause more
fuzz than good.
I am in accordance with most of what was said so
far, but “Default”
looks to me a less valuable naming than “Standard”, it is not a
strong
opinion, so I give my +1 to “Standard” and +0 to “Default”. I will use
“Standard" in the following, just to be clearer, but you can substitute it
with “Default” if you wish (you might notice further subtle differences, or
not).
So, what I am not sure about now is why all
proposals end with “XWiki
flavor” (and this is not really about the American
spelling of flavour !
:D). All flavours we gonna have surely will be XWiki ones, won’t it ? So if
we start with the “Standard XWiki Flavor”, I am afraid we are going to lead
a movement where everyone will name their flavour with that same suffix. Is
that our intention ?
“XWiki Standard Flavor” would already carry a
different meaning, since
it would say more “Standard flavour made by the XWiki
team”. However, if
our intent was more to say this is a generic wiki flavour, using “Standard
Wiki Flavor” looks more in line with our intended meaning. And if our
meaning is more that this is just a generic flavour, ending with “Standard
Flavor” is probably simpler, clearer and better.
WDYT ?
I agree with you.
I think we have 2 choices for the name that appears in the DW UI:
* “Standard”. We may not even need the “Flavor” suffix in the same way as
we don’t add an “Extension” suffix in the EM UI. IMO the DW UI for flavors
should indicate the author in the UI, something like ”Standard” and then
“developed by XWiki Development Team” or “developed by XWiki SAS” or
“developed by Denis Gervalle”.
* "XWiki Standard” or “XWiki Standard Flavor” to indicate it’s the one
made by the XWiki open source dev team. So that could be the full name but
the name we display in the DW UI could simply be “Standard Flavor” and then
“developed by XWiki Development Team”, etc.
If we want to use the term “Wiki” then it could come as a replacement for
the “Standard” term, to mention that it’s a generic wiki flavor, as opposed
to an intranet flavor, a knowledge base flavor, etc. But I agree that “Wiki
Flavor” is a good contender (and one that Ludovic mentioned too, he even
mentioned Structured Wiki Flavor). I’d be +0 on “Wiki Flavor”. “Standard
Wiki Flavor” is also possible and hints that there can be other generic
Wiki flavors that are not standard. So I’m also +0 for it.
Now outside of the DW UI, the full name of the flavors done by the XWiki
Dev Team could be prefixed with XWiki as in “the XWiki Standard Flavor” (or
“XWiki Demo Flavor”). Other companies or individuals would name is with
their identity, such as “the <my company> Procedure Flavor”.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Denis Gervalle
SOFTEC sa - CEO
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 16:48, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
So here is the current situation
= Proposition which don't annoy people enough to get a veto
* "Default XWiki Flavor" (+3)
* "Standard XWiki Flavor" (+2)
= Someone gave a veto on those
* "Base XWiki Flavor"
* "Classic XWiki Flavor" (good success for this one until it hits Edy
and Vincent)
* "Raw XWiki Flavor"
* "Starter XWiki Flavor"
* "XWiki Flavor”
* "Generic XWiki Flavor"
Anyone want to change his votes ?
I don't really have a preference between "Default" and
"Standard".
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
> So I’ve read this thread and here’s my POV:
>
> * "Base XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Thomas)
> * “Classic XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Edy, it means there’s a non
classic and *better* one and we don’t have one so it doesn’t make sense)
> * “Raw XWiki Flavor” -1 (not enough meaning
IMO and a bit deprecatory)
> * “Starter XWiki Flavor” -1 (would mean there’s another flavor which
isn’t the
case)
> * "Default XWiki Flavor” +1
> * "Generic XWiki Flavor” +1
> * “Standard XWiki Flavor” +1 (makes the most sense IMO)
> * "XWiki Flavor”. Here it’s hard to understand that “XWiki” actually
means “developed by the XWiki project” and it would work only if other
flavors don’t have “XWiki” in the name. This is why I’m -1 ATM for it. IMO
it’s not easy enough to differentiate and understand what it means compared
to other listed flavors such “Procedure Flavor” from XWiki SAS or “Demo
Flavor” from contrib.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> On 24 May 2017, at 11:51, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
>>
>> Hi devs,
>>
>> I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new platform
>> flavor which is going to replace XE.
>>
>> Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when installed
XWiki now.
As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic flavor, not tied
to any specific use case (so forget about "Knwonledge Base Flavor"
:)).
Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails:
* "XWiki Flavor"
* "Default XWiki Flavor"
* "Generic XWiki Flavor"
* "Base XWiki Flavor"
"Generic" is probably a way too technical term.
"Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not really a base flavor.
Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency (of course it's
fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre installed
extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for me.
Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I know, it's not going
to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you actually see
severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it nicer than
"Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same thing since the
XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other flavor. I'm also
fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others think it's a better name.
WDYT ?
--
Thomas Mortagne
12 Jun
12 Jun
12:42 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [PROPOSAL] So, what display name for the new default flavor ?
"XWiki Vanilla", because it`s the *standard flavor* :D Sounds so funny that
I kind of like it :)
However, I`m not so sure about non-techinical users or how that goes with
other stuff that we already or might produce, since we don`t really have a
pattern on that. Fun proposal, though.
Thanks,
Eduard
On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Marta Girdea <marta.girdea(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi,
I'm jumping in a bit late, but I was just wondering if anyone considered
"Vanilla" [1]. It was the absolute first thing that popped to my mind when
I saw the discussion about naming the standard flavour.
Just my 2 cents,
Marta
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla_software
On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 7:07 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
Hi Denis and all,
it
On 10 Jun 2017, at 11:46, Denis Gervalle
<dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
Hi All,
Sorry to jump in after an already long discussion since we are getting
close to a
conclusion, so I just don’t want my intervention to cause more
fuzz than good.
I am in accordance with most of what was said so
far, but “Default”
looks to me a less valuable naming than “Standard”, it is not a
strong
opinion, so I give my +1 to “Standard” and +0 to “Default”. I will use
“Standard" in the following, just to be clearer, but you can substitute with “Default” if you wish (you might notice
further subtle differences,
or
not).
if
So, what I am not sure about now is why all
proposals end with “XWiki
flavor” (and this is not really about the American
spelling of flavour !
:D). All flavours we gonna have surely will be XWiki ones, won’t it ? So we start with the “Standard XWiki Flavor”, I am
afraid we are going to
lead
a movement where everyone will name their flavour
with that same suffix.
Is
that our intention ?
“Standard
“XWiki Standard Flavor” would already carry a
different meaning, since
it would say more “Standard flavour made by the XWiki
team”. However, if
our intent was more to say this is a generic wiki flavour, using Wiki Flavor” looks more in line with our intended
meaning. And if our
meaning is more that this is just a generic flavour, ending with
“Standard
Flavor” is probably simpler, clearer and better.
flavors
WDYT ?
I agree with you.
I think we have 2 choices for the name that appears in the DW UI:
* “Standard”. We may not even need the “Flavor” suffix in the same way as
we don’t add an “Extension” suffix in the EM UI. IMO the DW UI for should indicate the author in the UI, something
like ”Standard” and then
“developed by XWiki Development Team” or “developed by XWiki SAS” or
“developed by Denis Gervalle”.
* "XWiki Standard” or “XWiki Standard Flavor” to indicate it’s the one
made by the XWiki open source dev team. So that could be the full name
but
the name we display in the DW UI could simply be
“Standard Flavor” and
then
“developed by XWiki Development Team”, etc.
If we want to use the term “Wiki” then it could come as a replacement for
the “Standard” term, to mention that it’s a generic wiki flavor, as
opposed
to an intranet flavor, a knowledge base flavor,
etc. But I agree that
“Wiki
Flavor” is a good contender (and one that Ludovic
mentioned too, he even
mentioned Structured Wiki Flavor). I’d be +0 on “Wiki Flavor”. “Standard
Wiki Flavor” is also possible and hints that there can be other generic
Wiki flavors that are not standard. So I’m also +0 for it.
Now outside of the DW UI, the full name of the flavors done by the XWiki
Dev Team could be prefixed with XWiki as in “the XWiki Standard Flavor”
(or
“XWiki Demo Flavor”). Other companies or
individuals would name is with
their identity, such as “the <my company> Procedure Flavor”.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
> --
> Denis Gervalle
> SOFTEC sa - CEO
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 16:48, Thomas Mortagne <
thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
non
So here is the current situation
= Proposition which don't annoy people enough to get a veto
* "Default XWiki Flavor" (+3)
* "Standard XWiki Flavor" (+2)
= Someone gave a veto on those
* "Base XWiki Flavor"
* "Classic XWiki Flavor" (good success for this one until it hits Edy
and Vincent)
* "Raw XWiki Flavor"
* "Starter XWiki Flavor"
* "XWiki Flavor”
* "Generic XWiki Flavor"
Anyone want to change his votes ?
I don't really have a preference between "Default" and
"Standard".
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>> So I’ve read this thread and here’s my POV:
>>
>> * "Base XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Thomas)
>> * “Classic XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Edy, it means there’s a classic and *better* one and we don’t have one so
it doesn’t make sense)
IMO
> * “Raw XWiki Flavor” -1 (not enough meaning
IMO and a bit deprecatory)
> * “Starter XWiki Flavor” -1 (would mean there’s another flavor which
isn’t the
case)
> * "Default XWiki Flavor” +1
> * "Generic XWiki Flavor” +1
> * “Standard XWiki Flavor” +1 (makes the most sense IMO)
> * "XWiki Flavor”. Here it’s hard to understand that “XWiki” actually
means “developed by the XWiki project” and it would work only if other
flavors don’t have “XWiki” in the name. This is why I’m -1 ATM for it. it’s not easy enough to differentiate and
understand what it means
compared
to other listed flavors such “Procedure Flavor”
from XWiki SAS or “Demo
Flavor” from contrib.
tied
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> On 24 May 2017, at 11:51, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com
wrote:
>>
>> Hi devs,
>>
>> I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new platform
>> flavor which is going to replace XE.
>>
>> Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when installed
XWiki now.
>>>
>>> As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic flavor, not >>> to any specific use case (so forget
about "Knwonledge Base Flavor"
>>> :)).
>>>
>>> Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails:
>>> * "XWiki Flavor"
>>> * "Default XWiki Flavor"
>>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor"
>>> * "Base XWiki Flavor"
>>>
>>> "Generic" is probably a way too technical term.
>>>
>>> "Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not really a base
flavor.
>>> Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency (of course it's
>>> fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre installed
>>> extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for me.
>>>
>>> Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I know, it's not
going
>>> to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you actually
see
>>> severals of those in the picker
anyway and I find it nicer than
>>> "Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same thing since
the
>>> XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other flavor. I'm
also
> fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if
others think it's a better name.
>
> WDYT ?
>
> --
> Thomas Mortagne
--
Thomas Mortagne
1:18 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [PROPOSAL] So, what display name for the new default flavor ?
On 12 Jun 2017, at 12:42, Eduard Moraru
<enygma2002(a)gmail.com> wrote:
"XWiki Vanilla", because it`s the *standard flavor* :D Sounds so funny that
I kind of like it :)
However, I`m not so sure about non-techinical users or how that goes with
other stuff that we already or might produce, since we don`t really have a
pattern on that. Fun proposal, though.
My POV:
* The wikipedia page on “Vanilla” shows that the name is perfect from a technical POV. It
really represents what we want.
* I think most of our users are non-tech and wouldn’t understand it since I don’t think
the “Vanilla” terminology is that common outside of tech circles
So I agree that it’s a fun proposal but we’ll get users asking us frequently why we chose
an ice-cream flavor for an XWiki flavor ;)
Thus I’m also hesitating but I think I’m more -0 since “XWiki Vanilla" sounds more
like a code name than a real name. I think that I still prefer “Standard” or “Default” ATM
(with a small preference for “Standard” which has a bit more meaning than “Default” for
me). Now if everyone else prefers “Vanilla”, I wouldn’t oppose it, as I also find it fun
and to the point.
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Eduard
On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Marta Girdea <marta.girdea(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm jumping in a bit late, but I was just wondering if anyone considered
> "Vanilla" [1]. It was the absolute first thing that popped to my mind when
> I saw the discussion about naming the standard flavour.
>
> Just my 2 cents,
> Marta
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla_software
>
> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 7:07 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Denis and all,
>>
>>> On 10 Jun 2017, at 11:46, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>> Sorry to jump in after an already long discussion since we are getting
>> close to a conclusion, so I just don’t want my intervention to cause more
>> fuzz than good.
>>> I am in accordance with most of what was said so far, but “Default”
>> looks to me a less valuable naming than “Standard”, it is not a strong
>> opinion, so I give my +1 to “Standard” and +0 to “Default”. I will use
>> “Standard" in the following, just to be clearer, but you can substitute
> it
>> with “Default” if you wish (you might notice further subtle differences,
> or
>> not).
>>> So, what I am not sure about now is why all proposals end with “XWiki
>> flavor” (and this is not really about the American spelling of flavour !
>> :D). All flavours we gonna have surely will be XWiki ones, won’t it ? So
> if
>> we start with the “Standard XWiki Flavor”, I am afraid we are going to
> lead
>> a movement where everyone will name their flavour with that same suffix.
> Is
>> that our intention ?
>>> “XWiki Standard Flavor” would already carry a different meaning, since
>> it would say more “Standard flavour made by the XWiki team”. However, if
>> our intent was more to say this is a generic wiki flavour, using
> “Standard
>> Wiki Flavor” looks more in line with our intended meaning. And if our
>> meaning is more that this is just a generic flavour, ending with
> “Standard
>> Flavor” is probably simpler, clearer and better.
>>> WDYT ?
>>
>> I agree with you.
>>
>> I think we have 2 choices for the name that appears in the DW UI:
>> * “Standard”. We may not even need the “Flavor” suffix in the same way as
>> we don’t add an “Extension” suffix in the EM UI. IMO the DW UI for
> flavors
>> should indicate the author in the UI, something like ”Standard” and then
>> “developed by XWiki Development Team” or “developed by XWiki SAS” or
>> “developed by Denis Gervalle”.
>> * "XWiki Standard” or “XWiki Standard Flavor” to indicate it’s the one
>> made by the XWiki open source dev team. So that could be the full name
> but
>> the name we display in the DW UI could simply be “Standard Flavor” and
> then
>> “developed by XWiki Development Team”, etc.
>>
>> If we want to use the term “Wiki” then it could come as a replacement for
>> the “Standard” term, to mention that it’s a generic wiki flavor, as
> opposed
>> to an intranet flavor, a knowledge base flavor, etc. But I agree that
> “Wiki
>> Flavor” is a good contender (and one that Ludovic mentioned too, he even
>> mentioned Structured Wiki Flavor). I’d be +0 on “Wiki Flavor”. “Standard
>> Wiki Flavor” is also possible and hints that there can be other generic
>> Wiki flavors that are not standard. So I’m also +0 for it.
>>
>> Now outside of the DW UI, the full name of the flavors done by the XWiki
>> Dev Team could be prefixed with XWiki as in “the XWiki Standard Flavor”
> (or
>> “XWiki Demo Flavor”). Other companies or individuals would name is with
>> their identity, such as “the <my company> Procedure Flavor”.
>>
>> WDYT?
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>> --
>>> Denis Gervalle
>>> SOFTEC sa - CEO
>>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 16:48, Thomas Mortagne <
> thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
>> wrote:
>>> So here is the current situation
>>>
>>> = Proposition which don't annoy people enough to get a veto
>>>
>>> * "Default XWiki Flavor" (+3)
>>> * "Standard XWiki Flavor" (+2)
>>>
>>> = Someone gave a veto on those
>>>
>>> * "Base XWiki Flavor"
>>> * "Classic XWiki Flavor" (good success for this one until it hits
Edy
>>> and Vincent)
>>> * "Raw XWiki Flavor"
>>> * "Starter XWiki Flavor"
>>> * "XWiki Flavor”
>>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor"
>>>
>>> Anyone want to change his votes ?
>>>
>>> I don't really have a preference between "Default" and
"Standard".
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
>> wrote:
>>>> So I’ve read this thread and here’s my POV:
>>>>
>>>> * "Base XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Thomas)
>>>> * “Classic XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Edy, it means there’s a
> non
>> classic and *better* one and we don’t have one so it doesn’t make sense)
>>>> * “Raw XWiki Flavor” -1 (not enough meaning IMO and a bit deprecatory)
>>>> * “Starter XWiki Flavor” -1 (would mean there’s another flavor which
>> isn’t the case)
>>>> * "Default XWiki Flavor” +1
>>>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor” +1
>>>> * “Standard XWiki Flavor” +1 (makes the most sense IMO)
>>>> * "XWiki Flavor”. Here it’s hard to understand that “XWiki”
actually
>> means “developed by the XWiki project” and it would work only if other
>> flavors don’t have “XWiki” in the name. This is why I’m -1 ATM for it.
> IMO
>> it’s not easy enough to differentiate and understand what it means
> compared
>> to other listed flavors such “Procedure Flavor” from XWiki SAS or “Demo
>> Flavor” from contrib.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -Vincent
>>>>
>>>>> On 24 May 2017, at 11:51, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com
>>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi devs,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new
platform
>>>>> flavor which is going to replace XE.
>>>>>
>>>>> Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when
installed
>> XWiki now.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic flavor, not
> tied
>>>>> to any specific use case (so forget about "Knwonledge Base
Flavor"
>>>>> :)).
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails:
>>>>> * "XWiki Flavor"
>>>>> * "Default XWiki Flavor"
>>>>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor"
>>>>> * "Base XWiki Flavor"
>>>>>
>>>>> "Generic" is probably a way too technical term.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not really a
base flavor.
>>>>> Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency (of course
it's
>>>>> fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre installed
>>>>> extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I know,
it's not going
>>>>> to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you
actually
> see
>>>>> severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it nicer than
>>>>> "Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same thing
since the
>>>>> XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other flavor.
I'm
> also
>>>>> fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others think it's a
better name.
>>>>>
>>>>> WDYT ?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thomas Mortagne
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thomas Mortagne
>>
>>
>
4:09 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [PROPOSAL] So, what display name for the new default flavor ?
+0 for "Standard" (the definition is accurate but it definitively miss some
sex-appeal)
-1 for "Default" which is the opposite of sex-appeal.
Vanilla might be a problem for users, but at least it was a cool name :)
2017-06-12 13:18 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
--
Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
On 12 Jun 2017, at 12:42, Eduard Moraru
<enygma2002(a)gmail.com> wrote:
"XWiki Vanilla", because it`s the *standard flavor* :D Sounds so funny
that
I kind of like it :)
However, I`m not so sure about non-techinical users or how that goes with
other stuff that we already or might produce, since we don`t really have
a
pattern on that. Fun proposal, though.
My POV:
* The wikipedia page on “Vanilla” shows that the name is perfect from a
technical POV. It really represents what we want.
* I think most of our users are non-tech and wouldn’t understand it since
I don’t think the “Vanilla” terminology is that common outside of tech
circles
So I agree that it’s a fun proposal but we’ll get users asking us
frequently why we chose an ice-cream flavor for an XWiki flavor ;)
Thus I’m also hesitating but I think I’m more -0 since “XWiki Vanilla"
sounds more like a code name than a real name. I think that I still prefer
“Standard” or “Default” ATM (with a small preference for “Standard” which
has a bit more meaning than “Default” for me). Now if everyone else prefers
“Vanilla”, I wouldn’t oppose it, as I also find it fun and to the point.
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Eduard
On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Marta Girdea <marta.girdea(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm jumping in a bit late, but I was just wondering if anyone considered
> "Vanilla" [1]. It was the absolute first thing that popped to my mind
when
> I saw the discussion about naming the
standard flavour.
>
> Just my 2 cents,
> Marta
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla_software
>
> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 7:07 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Denis and all,
>>
>>> On 10 Jun 2017, at 11:46, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>> Sorry to jump in after an already long discussion since we are getting
>> close to a conclusion, so I just don’t want my intervention to cause
more
>> fuzz than good.
>>> I am in accordance with most of what was said so far, but “Default”
>> looks to me a less valuable naming than “Standard”, it is not a strong
>> opinion, so I give my +1 to “Standard” and +0 to “Default”. I will use
>> “Standard" in the following, just to be clearer, but you can substitute
> it
>> with “Default” if you wish (you might notice further subtle
differences,
> or
>> not).
>>> So, what I am not sure about now is why all proposals end with “XWiki
>> flavor” (and this is not really about the American spelling of flavour
!
>> :D). All flavours we gonna have surely
will be XWiki ones, won’t it ?
So
> if
>> we start with the “Standard XWiki Flavor”, I am afraid we are going to
> lead
>> a movement where everyone will name their flavour with that same
suffix.
> Is
>> that our intention ?
>>> “XWiki Standard Flavor” would already carry a different meaning, since
>> it would say more “Standard flavour made by the XWiki team”. However,
if
>> our intent was more to say this is a
generic wiki flavour, using
> “Standard
>> Wiki Flavor” looks more in line with our intended meaning. And if our
>> meaning is more that this is just a generic flavour, ending with
> “Standard
>> Flavor” is probably simpler, clearer and better.
>>> WDYT ?
>>
>> I agree with you.
>>
>> I think we have 2 choices for the name that appears in the DW UI:
>> * “Standard”. We may not even need the “Flavor” suffix in the same way
as
>> we don’t add an “Extension” suffix in the
EM UI. IMO the DW UI for
> flavors
>> should indicate the author in the UI, something like ”Standard” and
then
>> “developed by XWiki Development Team” or
“developed by XWiki SAS” or
>> “developed by Denis Gervalle”.
>> * "XWiki Standard” or “XWiki Standard Flavor” to indicate it’s the one
>> made by the XWiki open source dev team. So that could be the full name
> but
>> the name we display in the DW UI could simply be “Standard Flavor” and
> then
>> “developed by XWiki Development Team”, etc.
>>
>> If we want to use the term “Wiki” then it could come as a replacement
for
>> the “Standard” term, to mention that it’s
a generic wiki flavor, as
> opposed
>> to an intranet flavor, a knowledge base flavor, etc. But I agree that
> “Wiki
>> Flavor” is a good contender (and one that Ludovic mentioned too, he
even
>> mentioned Structured Wiki Flavor). I’d be
+0 on “Wiki Flavor”.
“Standard
>> Wiki Flavor” is also possible and hints
that there can be other generic
>> Wiki flavors that are not standard. So I’m also +0 for it.
>>
>> Now outside of the DW UI, the full name of the flavors done by the
XWiki
>> Dev Team could be prefixed with XWiki as
in “the XWiki Standard Flavor”
> (or
>> “XWiki Demo Flavor”). Other companies or individuals would name is with
>> their identity, such as “the <my company> Procedure Flavor”.
>>
>> WDYT?
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>> --
>>> Denis Gervalle
>>> SOFTEC sa - CEO
>>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 16:48, Thomas Mortagne <
> thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
>> wrote:
>>> So here is the current situation
>>>
>>> = Proposition which don't annoy people enough to get a veto
>>>
>>> * "Default XWiki Flavor" (+3)
>>> * "Standard XWiki Flavor" (+2)
>>>
>>> = Someone gave a veto on those
>>>
>>> * "Base XWiki Flavor"
>>> * "Classic XWiki Flavor" (good success for this one until it hits
Edy
>>> and Vincent)
>>> * "Raw XWiki Flavor"
>>> * "Starter XWiki Flavor"
>>> * "XWiki Flavor”
>>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor"
>>>
>>> Anyone want to change his votes ?
>>>
>>> I don't really have a preference between "Default" and
"Standard".
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
>> wrote:
>>>> So I’ve read this thread and here’s my POV:
>>>>
>>>> * "Base XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Thomas)
>>>> * “Classic XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Edy, it means there’s a
> non
>> classic and *better* one and we don’t have one so it doesn’t make
sense)
>>>> * “Raw XWiki Flavor” -1 (not
enough meaning IMO and a bit
deprecatory)
>>>> * “Starter XWiki Flavor” -1
(would mean there’s another flavor which
>> isn’t the case)
>>>> * "Default XWiki Flavor” +1
>>>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor” +1
>>>> * “Standard XWiki Flavor” +1 (makes the most sense IMO)
>>>> * "XWiki Flavor”. Here it’s hard to understand that “XWiki”
actually
>> means “developed by the XWiki project” and it would work only if other
>> flavors don’t have “XWiki” in the name. This is why I’m -1 ATM for it.
> IMO
>> it’s not easy enough to differentiate and understand what it means
> compared
>> to other listed flavors such “Procedure Flavor” from XWiki SAS or “Demo
>> Flavor” from contrib.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -Vincent
>>>>
>>>>> On 24 May 2017, at 11:51, Thomas Mortagne <
thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com
>>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi devs,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new
platform
>>>>> flavor which is going to replace XE.
>>>>>
>>>>> Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when
installed
>> XWiki now.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic flavor, not
> tied
>>>>> to any specific use case (so forget about "Knwonledge Base
Flavor"
>>>>> :)).
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails:
>>>>> * "XWiki Flavor"
>>>>> * "Default XWiki Flavor"
>>>>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor"
>>>>> * "Base XWiki Flavor"
>>>>>
>>>>> "Generic" is probably a way too technical term.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not really a
base flavor.
>>>>> Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency (of course
it's
>>>>> fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre installed
>>>>> extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I know,
it's not going
>>>>> to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you
actually
> see
>>>>> severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it nicer than
>>>>> "Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same thing
since
the
>>>>> XWiki core project does not
plan to provide any other flavor. I'm
> also
>>>>> fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others think it's a
better name.
>>>>>
>>>>> WDYT ?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thomas Mortagne
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thomas Mortagne
>>
>>
>
7:31 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [PROPOSAL] So, what display name for the new default flavor ?
Question that I think should be answered first : what is the audience and
the objectives ?
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau <
guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
+0 for "Standard" (the definition is
accurate but it definitively miss some
sex-appeal)
-1 for "Default" which is the opposite of sex-appeal.
Vanilla might be a problem for users, but at least it was a cool name :)
2017-06-12 13:18 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
with
getting
strong
“XWiki
since
way
generic
Flavor”
which
platform
flavor.
name.
--
Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
On 12 Jun 2017, at 12:42, Eduard Moraru
<enygma2002(a)gmail.com> wrote:
"XWiki Vanilla", because it`s the *standard flavor* :D Sounds so funny
that
> I kind of like it :)
>
> However, I`m not so sure about non-techinical users or how that goes > other stuff that we already or might
produce, since we don`t really
have
a
prefer
pattern on that. Fun proposal, though.
My POV:
* The wikipedia page on “Vanilla” shows that the name is perfect from a
technical POV. It really represents what we want.
* I think most of our users are non-tech and wouldn’t understand it since
I don’t think the “Vanilla” terminology is that common outside of tech
circles
So I agree that it’s a fun proposal but we’ll get users asking us
frequently why we chose an ice-cream flavor for an XWiki flavor ;)
Thus I’m also hesitating but I think I’m more -0 since “XWiki Vanilla"
sounds more like a code name than a real name. I think that I still “Standard” or “Default” ATM (with a small
preference for “Standard” which
has a bit more meaning than “Default” for me). Now if everyone else
prefers
“Vanilla”, I wouldn’t oppose it, as I also find
it fun and to the point.
Thanks
-Vincent
> Thanks,
> Eduard
>
> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Marta Girdea <marta.girdea(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm jumping in a bit late, but I was just wondering if anyone
considered
>
"Vanilla" [1]. It was the absolute first thing that popped to my mind
when
>> I saw the discussion about naming the standard flavour.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents,
>> Marta
>>
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla_software
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 7:07 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Denis and all,
>>>
>>>> On 10 Jun 2017, at 11:46, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> Sorry to jump in after an already long discussion since we are >>
close to a conclusion, so I just don’t want my intervention to cause
more
>>> fuzz than good.
>>>> I am in accordance with most of what was said so far, but “Default”
>>> looks to me a less valuable naming than “Standard”, it is not a >>> opinion, so I give my +1 to
“Standard” and +0 to “Default”. I will
use
>>> “Standard" in the following,
just to be clearer, but you can
substitute
> it
>> with “Default” if you wish (you might notice further subtle
differences,
>> or
>>> not).
>>>> So, what I am not sure about now is why all proposals end with >>> flavor” (and this is not really
about the American spelling of
flavour
!
to
>> :D). All flavours we gonna have surely
will be XWiki ones, won’t it ?
So
>> if
>>> we start with the “Standard XWiki Flavor”, I am afraid we are going > lead
>> a movement where everyone will name their flavour with that same
suffix.
>> Is
>>> that our intention ?
>>>> “XWiki Standard Flavor” would already carry a different meaning, >>
it would say more “Standard flavour made by the XWiki team”. However,
if
>>> our intent was more to say this is a generic wiki flavour, using
>> “Standard
>>> Wiki Flavor” looks more in line with our intended meaning. And if our
>>> meaning is more that this is just a generic flavour, ending with
>> “Standard
>>> Flavor” is probably simpler, clearer and better.
>>>> WDYT ?
>>>
>>> I agree with you.
>>>
>>> I think we have 2 choices for the name that appears in the DW UI:
>>> * “Standard”. We may not even need the “Flavor” suffix in the same as
one
>> we don’t add an “Extension” suffix in the
EM UI. IMO the DW UI for
> flavors
>> should indicate the author in the UI, something like ”Standard” and
then
>>> “developed by XWiki Development Team” or “developed by XWiki SAS” or
>>> “developed by Denis Gervalle”.
>>> * "XWiki Standard” or “XWiki Standard Flavor” to indicate it’s the
>>> made by the XWiki open source dev
team. So that could be the full
name
>> but
>>> the name we display in the DW UI could simply be “Standard Flavor”
and
> then
>> “developed by XWiki Development Team”, etc.
>>
>> If we want to use the term “Wiki” then it could come as a replacement
for
>> the “Standard” term, to mention that it’s
a generic wiki flavor, as
> opposed
>> to an intranet flavor, a knowledge base flavor, etc. But I agree that
> “Wiki
>> Flavor” is a good contender (and one that Ludovic mentioned too, he
even
>> mentioned Structured Wiki Flavor). I’d be
+0 on “Wiki Flavor”.
“Standard
>>> Wiki Flavor” is also possible and hints that there can be other >>
Wiki flavors that are not standard. So I’m also +0 for it.
>>
>> Now outside of the DW UI, the full name of the flavors done by the
XWiki
>>> Dev Team could be prefixed with XWiki as in “the XWiki Standard >> (or
>>> “XWiki Demo Flavor”). Other companies or individuals would name is
with
>>> their identity, such as “the <my
company> Procedure Flavor”.
>>>
>>> WDYT?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Denis Gervalle
>>>> SOFTEC sa - CEO
>>>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 16:48, Thomas Mortagne <
>> thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> So here is the current situation
>>>>
>>>> = Proposition which don't annoy people enough to get a veto
>>>>
>>>> * "Default XWiki Flavor" (+3)
>>>> * "Standard XWiki Flavor" (+2)
>>>>
>>>> = Someone gave a veto on those
>>>>
>>>> * "Base XWiki Flavor"
>>>> * "Classic XWiki Flavor" (good success for this one until it
hits
Edy
>>> and Vincent)
>>> * "Raw XWiki Flavor"
>>> * "Starter XWiki Flavor"
>>> * "XWiki Flavor”
>>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor"
>>>
>>> Anyone want to change his votes ?
>>>
>>> I don't really have a preference between "Default" and
"Standard".
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
>> wrote:
>>>> So I’ve read this thread and here’s my POV:
>>>>
>>>> * "Base XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Thomas)
>>>> * “Classic XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Edy, it means there’s a
> non
>> classic and *better* one and we don’t have one so it doesn’t make
sense)
>>>> * “Raw XWiki Flavor” -1 (not
enough meaning IMO and a bit
deprecatory)
>>>>> * “Starter XWiki Flavor” -1 (would mean there’s another flavor
>>> isn’t the case)
>>>>> * "Default XWiki Flavor” +1
>>>>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor” +1
>>>>> * “Standard XWiki Flavor” +1 (makes the most sense IMO)
>>>>> * "XWiki Flavor”. Here it’s hard to understand that “XWiki”
actually
>>> means “developed by the XWiki
project” and it would work only if
other
>>> flavors don’t have “XWiki” in the
name. This is why I’m -1 ATM for
it.
>> IMO
>>> it’s not easy enough to differentiate and understand what it means
>> compared
>>> to other listed flavors such “Procedure Flavor” from XWiki SAS or
“Demo
>>
Flavor” from contrib.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -Vincent
>>>>
>>>>> On 24 May 2017, at 11:51, Thomas Mortagne <
thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi devs,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new
>>>>> flavor which is going to replace XE.
>>>>>
>>>>> Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when
installed
>>> XWiki now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic flavor,
not
>> tied
>>>>>> to any specific use case (so forget about "Knwonledge Base
Flavor"
>>>>>> :)).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails:
>>>>>> * "XWiki Flavor"
>>>>>> * "Default XWiki Flavor"
>>>>>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor"
>>>>>> * "Base XWiki Flavor"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Generic" is probably a way too technical term.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not
really a base >>>>>> Its primary goal is not
to be used as a dependency (of course it's
>>>>>> fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre
installed
>>>>>> extensions to the
default flavor). It's a -1 for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I know,
it's not
going
>>>>> to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you
actually
> see
>>>>> severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it nicer than
>>>>> "Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same thing
since
the
>>>>>> XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other flavor.
I'm
>> also
>>>>>> fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others think
it's a better
>>>>>
>>>>> WDYT ?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thomas Mortagne
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thomas Mortagne
>>
>>
>
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