2 Feb
2013
2 Feb
'13
3:55 p.m.
Hi devs,
We've closing the 4.x cycle and here's the result of bugs fixed vs bugs created
during the past 360 days:
http://snag.gy/MZxh7.jpg
As you can see:
* More issues were created than fixed: 919 created vs 844 fixed
* During the whole time, the red has been winning
What this means is that overall we're loosing the quality war. Of course bugs are not
evenly distributed and it may happen that created bugs are peripheral but they're
still bugs and since they've been reported they have affected users…
Thus I propose that for the 5.x cycle we take some drastic action and do a Bug Fixing Day
every week in en effort to have green be the default (ie more bugs fixed than created).
At least it would be great if we could try it for a while and see how it goes.
If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the 21st of
February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
PS: To see past BFD events, see:
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HXWikiDa…
2 Feb
2 Feb
6:59 p.m.
+1
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
We've closing the 4.x cycle and here's the result of bugs fixed vs bugs created
during the past 360 days:
http://snag.gy/MZxh7.jpg
As you can see:
* More issues were created than fixed: 919 created vs 844 fixed
* During the whole time, the red has been winning
What this means is that overall we're loosing the quality war. Of course bugs are not
evenly distributed and it may happen that created bugs are peripheral but they're
still bugs and since they've been reported they have affected users…
Thus I propose that for the 5.x cycle we take some drastic action and do a Bug Fixing Day
every week in en effort to have green be the default (ie more bugs fixed than created).
At least it would be great if we could try it for a while and see how it goes.
If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the 21st of
February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
PS: To see past BFD events, see:
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HXWikiDa…
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3 Feb
3 Feb
11:47 a.m.
On 02/02/2013 09:55 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi devs,
We've closing the 4.x cycle and here's the result of bugs fixed vs bugs created
during the past 360 days:
http://snag.gy/MZxh7.jpg
As you can see:
* More issues were created than fixed: 919 created vs 844 fixed
* During the whole time, the red has been winning
What this means is that overall we're loosing the quality war. Of course bugs are not
evenly distributed and it may happen that created bugs are peripheral but they're
still bugs and since they've been reported they have affected users…
Thus I propose that for the 5.x cycle we take some drastic action and do a Bug Fixing Day
every week in en effort to have green be the default (ie more bugs fixed than created).
At least it would be great if we could try it for a while and see how it goes.
If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the 21st of
February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
WDYT?
Sounds good. What happens with the monthly BFD that was supposed to
happen on the 7th?
To reduce the burnout, we should see each BFD not as a hard push to
close as many bugs as possible, but as a day when devs are free to work
on bugs, not on roadmap features.
Thanks
-Vincent
PS: To see past BFD events, see:
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HXWikiDa…
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11:56 a.m.
On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On 02/02/2013 09:55 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Good question. Since we still haven't released XWiki 4.5 final, I think we should drop
it and replace it with the weekly BFD starting 21st
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
Hi devs,
We've closing the 4.x cycle and here's the result of bugs fixed vs bugs created
during the past 360 days:
http://snag.gy/MZxh7.jpg
As you can see:
* More issues were created than fixed: 919 created vs 844 fixed
* During the whole time, the red has been winning
What this means is that overall we're loosing the quality war. Of course bugs are not
evenly distributed and it may happen that created bugs are peripheral but they're
still bugs and since they've been reported they have affected users…
Thus I propose that for the 5.x cycle we take some drastic action and do a Bug Fixing Day
every week in en effort to have green be the default (ie more bugs fixed than created).
At least it would be great if we could try it for a while and see how it goes.
If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the 21st of
February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
WDYT?
Sounds good. What happens with the monthly BFD that was supposed to
happen on the 7th? To reduce the burnout, we should see each BFD not as a
hard push to
close as many bugs as possible, but as a day when devs are free to work
on bugs, not on roadmap features.
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> PS: To see past BFD events, see:
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HXWikiDa…
12:05 p.m.
On 02/03/2013 05:56 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
+0.
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On 02/02/2013 09:55 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Good question. Since we still haven't released XWiki 4.5 final, I think we should
drop it and replace it with the weekly BFD starting 21st
If you agree, what about doing that every
Thursday, starting with the 21st of February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
WDYT?
Sounds good. What happens with the monthly BFD that was supposed to
happen on the 7th? 
4 Feb
4 Feb
11:49 a.m.
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On 02/03/2013 05:56 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Same, +0.
Thanks,
Marius
On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
+0. On 02/02/2013 09:55 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Good question. Since we still haven't released XWiki 4.5 final, I think we should
drop it and replace it with the weekly BFD starting 21st
If you agree, what about doing that every
Thursday, starting with the 21st of February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
WDYT?
Sounds good. What happens with the monthly BFD that was supposed to
happen on the 7th?
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3 Feb
3 Feb
12:11 p.m.
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Maybe replace it with something else, like fixing deprecated calls.
On 02/02/2013 09:55 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Good question. Since we still haven't released XWiki 4.5 final, I think we should
drop it and replace it with the weekly BFD starting 21st
WDYT? Hi devs,
We've closing the 4.x cycle and here's the result of bugs fixed vs bugs created
during the past 360 days:
http://snag.gy/MZxh7.jpg
As you can see:
* More issues were created than fixed: 919 created vs 844 fixed
* During the whole time, the red has been winning
What this means is that overall we're loosing the quality war. Of course bugs are not
evenly distributed and it may happen that created bugs are peripheral but they're
still bugs and since they've been reported they have affected users…
Thus I propose that for the 5.x cycle we take some drastic action and do a Bug Fixing Day
every week in en effort to have green be the default (ie more bugs fixed than created).
At least it would be great if we could try it for a while and see how it goes.
If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the 21st of
February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
WDYT?
Sounds good. What happens with the monthly BFD that was supposed to
happen on the 7th?
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne
To reduce the burnout, we should see each BFD not
as a hard push to
close as many bugs as possible, but as a day when devs are free to work
on bugs, not on roadmap features.
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> PS: To see past BFD events, see:
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HXWikiDa…
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12:45 p.m.
On Feb 3, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
1) I think this is a bit dangerous to do in RC so close to the final 4.5 release, it's
relatively easy to introduce a regression by fixing deprecation calls.
2) The idea is that all our energy is focused on finishing 4.5 and releasing it ASAP
That said, I'm fine with whatever the majority wants.
BTW on the same idea, I think we need to organize a PullRequest Day after we start 5.0 to
reduce the # of open PR/patches and favor contributions.
Thanks
-Vincent
On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Maybe replace it with something else, like fixing deprecated calls. On 02/02/2013 09:55 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Good question. Since we still haven't released XWiki 4.5 final, I think we should
drop it and replace it with the weekly BFD starting 21st
WDYT? Hi devs,
We've closing the 4.x cycle and here's the result of bugs fixed vs bugs created
during the past 360 days:
http://snag.gy/MZxh7.jpg
As you can see:
* More issues were created than fixed: 919 created vs 844 fixed
* During the whole time, the red has been winning
What this means is that overall we're loosing the quality war. Of course bugs are not
evenly distributed and it may happen that created bugs are peripheral but they're
still bugs and since they've been reported they have affected users…
Thus I propose that for the 5.x cycle we take some drastic action and do a Bug Fixing Day
every week in en effort to have green be the default (ie more bugs fixed than created).
At least it would be great if we could try it for a while and see how it goes.
If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the 21st of
February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
WDYT?
Sounds good. What happens with the monthly BFD that was supposed to
happen on the 7th? > Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> To reduce the burnout, we should see each BFD not as a hard push to
>> close as many bugs as possible, but as a day when devs are free to work
>> on bugs, not on roadmap features.
>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>> PS: To see past BFD events, see:
>>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HXWikiDa…
2:10 p.m.
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On Feb 3, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
I was not talking about the 7th actually (missread the message it
seems), I was taking about monthly BFD en general during the 5.x.
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
1) I think this is a bit dangerous to do in RC so close to the final 4.5 release,
it's relatively easy to introduce a regression by fixing deprecation calls.
2) The idea is that all our energy is focused on finishing 4.5 and releasing it ASAP
On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Maybe replace it with something else, like fixing deprecated calls. On 02/02/2013 09:55 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
> Hi devs,
>
> We've closing the 4.x cycle and here's the result of bugs fixed vs bugs
created during the past 360 days:
> http://snag.gy/MZxh7.jpg
>
> As you can see:
> * More issues were created than fixed: 919 created vs 844 fixed
> * During the whole time, the red has been winning
>
> What this means is that overall we're loosing the quality war. Of course bugs are
not evenly distributed and it may happen that created bugs are peripheral but they're
still bugs and since they've been reported they have affected users…
>
> Thus I propose that for the 5.x cycle we take some drastic action and do a Bug Fixing
Day every week in en effort to have green be the default (ie more bugs fixed than
created).
>
> At least it would be great if we could try it for a while and see how it goes.
>
> If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the 21st of
February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
>
> WDYT?
Sounds good. What happens with the monthly BFD that was supposed to
happen on the 7th?
Good question. Since we still haven't released XWiki 4.5 final, I think we should
drop it and replace it with the weekly BFD starting 21st
WDYT?
That said, I'm fine with whatever the majority wants.
BTW on the same idea, I think we need to organize a PullRequest Day after we start 5.0 to
reduce the # of open PR/patches and favor contributions.
Thanks
-Vincent
--
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> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> To reduce the burnout, we should see each BFD not as a hard push to
>> close as many bugs as possible, but as a day when devs are free to work
>> on bugs, not on roadmap features.
>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>> PS: To see past BFD events, see:
>>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HXWikiDa…
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4 Feb
11:58 a.m.
On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On 02/02/2013 09:55 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
I completely agree.
Here's how I view it:
* Goal: reduce the open bug count from
http://jira.xwiki.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa#Created-vs-Resolved-Chart/10470 as much as
possible.
* Consequence: the goal is to take the lowest hanging fruits.
* This is an occasion to close easy bugs that we wouldn't look at otherwise
* It also serves as cleaning up our JIRA
* Devs are free to chose by themselves the bugs they work on
* It is *not* a day to implement important bugs listed in the roadmap, although devs can
take some from there if they wish
* It's only about bugs, not other type of issues
Thanks
-Vincent
Hi devs,
We've closing the 4.x cycle and here's the result of bugs fixed vs bugs created
during the past 360 days:
http://snag.gy/MZxh7.jpg
As you can see:
* More issues were created than fixed: 919 created vs 844 fixed
* During the whole time, the red has been winning
What this means is that overall we're loosing the quality war. Of course bugs are not
evenly distributed and it may happen that created bugs are peripheral but they're
still bugs and since they've been reported they have affected users…
Thus I propose that for the 5.x cycle we take some drastic action and do a Bug Fixing Day
every week in en effort to have green be the default (ie more bugs fixed than created).
At least it would be great if we could try it for a while and see how it goes.
If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the 21st of
February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
WDYT?
Sounds good. What happens with the monthly BFD that was supposed to
happen on the 7th?
To reduce the burnout, we should see each BFD not as a hard push to
close as many bugs as possible, but as a day when devs are free to work
on bugs, not on roadmap features. > Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> PS: To see past BFD events, see:
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HXWikiDa…
11:49 a.m.
+1
Thanks,
Marius
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
We've closing the 4.x cycle and here's the result of bugs fixed vs bugs created
during the past 360 days:
http://snag.gy/MZxh7.jpg
As you can see:
* More issues were created than fixed: 919 created vs 844 fixed
* During the whole time, the red has been winning
What this means is that overall we're loosing the quality war. Of course bugs are not
evenly distributed and it may happen that created bugs are peripheral but they're
still bugs and since they've been reported they have affected users…
Thus I propose that for the 5.x cycle we take some drastic action and do a Bug Fixing Day
every week in en effort to have green be the default (ie more bugs fixed than created).
At least it would be great if we could try it for a while and see how it goes.
If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the 21st of
February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
PS: To see past BFD events, see:
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HXWikiDa…
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2:07 p.m.
+1
Thanks,
Caty
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
We've closing the 4.x cycle and here's the result of bugs fixed vs bugs
created during the past 360 days:
http://snag.gy/MZxh7.jpg
As you can see:
* More issues were created than fixed: 919 created vs 844 fixed
* During the whole time, the red has been winning
What this means is that overall we're loosing the quality war. Of course
bugs are not evenly distributed and it may happen that created bugs are
peripheral but they're still bugs and since they've been reported they have
affected users…
Thus I propose that for the 5.x cycle we take some drastic action and do a
Bug Fixing Day every week in en effort to have green be the default (ie
more bugs fixed than created).
At least it would be great if we could try it for a while and see how it
goes.
If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the 21st
of February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
PS: To see past BFD events, see:
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HXWikiDa…
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5 Feb
11:44 a.m.
+1
Thanks,
Eduard
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com
wrote:
> +1
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
> On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net wrote:
>
> > Hi devs,
> >
> > We've closing the 4.x cycle and here's the result of bugs fixed vs bugs
> > created during the past 360 days:
> > http://snag.gy/MZxh7.jpg
> >
> > As you can see:
> > * More issues were created than fixed: 919 created vs 844 fixed
> > * During the whole time, the red has been winning
> >
> > What this means is that overall we're loosing the quality war. Of course
> > bugs are not evenly distributed and it may happen that created bugs are
> > peripheral but they're still bugs and since they've been reported they
> have
> > affected users…
> >
> > Thus I propose that for the 5.x cycle we take some drastic action and do
> a
> > Bug Fixing Day every week in en effort to have green be the default (ie
> > more bugs fixed than created).
> >
> > At least it would be great if we could try it for a while and see how it
> > goes.
> >
> > If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the
> 21st
> > of February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
> >
> > WDYT?
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> > PS: To see past BFD events, see:
> >
> >
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HXWikiDa…
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