Hi devs, Now that our forum is working well I’d like to propose to make the users list readonly and move all users to the forum.

On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:35, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote: > On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:09, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Guys, I thought we were going to make the users list read-only, not

Where did you see that? At least that’s not my proposal. My proposal is

> Right now, I haven't received a mail on the users list since 12th of

I haven’t made it readonly yet so I don’t know if it’s normal or not.

> AFAIR, a proposed flow was to receive mails of the discussions and, if

The proposal was: * Make the list readonly except for a given discourse user who’d have

However: * I have configured a user having user(a)xwiki.org as its email and in

Conclusion so far: * We need to make the list readonly. I’ll do this next week when I find

* I don’t know how to fix the issue listed above * In any case I don’t think it’s that important that we don’t archive

Thanks -Vincent > > Thanks, > Eduard > > On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>

> >> >>> On 2 Jun 2017, at 19:50, Marius Dumitru Florea < >> mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; >> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi devs, >>>> >>>> Now that our forum is working well I’d like to propose to make the

>>>> list readonly and move all users to the forum. >>>> >>> >>> It's a small thing but very annoying: is there a way to reply in-line? >> When >>> the post you want to reply to is long it's pretty hard to keep

>>> you can't reply in-line. The alternative is to copy and quote the part >> that >>> you are referring to, but it's not that nice. >> >> Yes it’s possible and very easy to do: simply select the text you wish

>> reply to and you’ll see the option to reply to it :) >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Marius >>> >>> >>>> >>>> So the plan I’m proposing is: >>>> * On Monday, make the users list readonly >>>> * Send a last message on it, inviting users to move to the forum >>>> >>>> Note that we’ve already been putting a notice to all messages sent on >> the >>>> users lists inviting users to move to the forum and this has been >> running >>>> for 2 weeks already. >>>> >>>> My feeling is that we need to finalize the move now and prevent too

I would really like to still be able to use 1 tool, i.e. currently the mail client, to read the mails for either devs or users. Sure, answering to users should be done on discourse, but I would not like to have to juggle yet another service.

Thanks, Eduard On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; wrote: > > > On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:35, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; wrote: > > > > > >> On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:09, Eduard Moraru &lt;enygma2002(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >> > >> Guys, I thought we were going to make the users list read-only, not > disable > >> it completely. This is now what was discussed, AFAIK. > > > > Where did you see that? At least that’s not my proposal. My proposal is > to make it read only. > > > >> Right now, I haven't received a mail on the users list since 12th of > June. > > > > I haven’t made it readonly yet so I don’t know if it’s normal or not. > > FTR just noticed 2 users have contacted me telling me they cannot post to > the user list anymore. So someone must have changed something on the user > list, but it’s not me :) > > Thanks > -Vincent > > > > >> AFAIR, a proposed flow was to receive mails of the discussions and, if > you > >> want to reply, you'd follow the reply link in the mail an open the > >> discourse browser window. > >> > >> So, only discourse could be able to publish to the list, all other list > >> users would get rejected. > > > > The proposal was: > > * Make the list readonly except for a given discourse user who’d have > user(a)xwiki.org as its email so that we can still archive discussions done > with discourse on markmail, nabble, etc. > > > > However: > > * I have configured a user having user(a)xwiki.org as its email and in > “mailing list mode” but after it sends its first mail, the “mailing list > mode” is automatically disabled and I don’t know why. > > > > Conclusion so far: > > * We need to make the list readonly. I’ll do this next week when I find > some time. > > * I don’t know how to fix the issue listed above > > * In any case I don’t think it’s that important that we don’t archive > discourse discussions on markmail so I’m fine with dropping this part. > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > > > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Eduard > >> > >> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; > wrote: > >> > >>> > >>>> On 2 Jun 2017, at 19:50, Marius Dumitru Florea < > >>> mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi devs, > >>>>> > >>>>> Now that our forum is working well I’d like to propose to make the > users > >>>>> list readonly and move all users to the forum. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> It's a small thing but very annoying: is there a way to reply in-line? > >>> When > >>>> the post you want to reply to is long it's pretty hard to keep > context if > >>>> you can't reply in-line. The alternative is to copy and quote the part > >>> that > >>>> you are referring to, but it's not that nice. > >>> > >>> Yes it’s possible and very easy to do: simply select the text you wish > to > >>> reply to and you’ll see the option to reply to it :) > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> -Vincent > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> Marius > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> So the plan I’m proposing is: > >>>>> * On Monday, make the users list readonly > >>>>> * Send a last message on it, inviting users to move to the forum > >>>>> > >>>>> Note that we’ve already been putting a notice to all messages sent on > >>> the > >>>>> users lists inviting users to move to the forum and this has been > >>> running > >>>>> for 2 weeks already. > >>>>> > >>>>> My feeling is that we need to finalize the move now and prevent too > much > >>>>> scattering of user posts both on the users list and on the forum and > >>> have > >>>>> them all on the forum ASAP. > >>>>> > >>>>> WDYT? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks > >>>>> -Vincent > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > > > >

On 22 Jun 2017, at 17:52, Thomas Mortagne &lt;thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com&gt;

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Mortagne &lt;thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: > On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Eduard Moraru &lt;enygma2002(a)gmail.com&gt;

>> I would really like to still be able to use 1 tool, i.e. currently the

>> client, to read the mails for either devs or users. Sure, answering to >> users should be done on discourse, but I would not like to have to

>> yet another service. > > This does not have much to do with the users mailing list. As I > explained to you on IRC you can very well receive all discourse > messages by mail if you want which is exactly what I do (I never go to > forum.xwiki.org directly, only from some mail I received). > >> >> I understand that what you describe seems like a bug. Did we try to

>> P.S.: I have re-enabled the "Enable mailing list mode" option to the >> discourse mailman user. Will watch it to see when/if it gets disabled

I'm not a big fan of getting an close to unreadable duplicate of all the discourse mails which is what I get right now.

We moved to a forum so let's live with it and let people decide if they want mails not. If you want mails just enable them in your profile.

Receiving all messages from forum.xwiki.org without having an account there is really not a valid use case.

If we want to store discourse messages on markmail then let's give direct markmail mail to discourse instead of going trough users mailing list which does not make any sense.

>> >> Thanks, >> Eduard >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt;

>> >>> >>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:35, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:09, Eduard Moraru &lt;enygma2002(a)gmail.com&gt;

>>>>> >>>>> Guys, I thought we were going to make the users list read-only, not >>> disable >>>>> it completely. This is now what was discussed, AFAIK. >>>> >>>> Where did you see that? At least that’s not my proposal. My proposal

>>> to make it read only. >>>> >>>>> Right now, I haven't received a mail on the users list since 12th of >>> June. >>>> >>>> I haven’t made it readonly yet so I don’t know if it’s normal or not. >>> >>> FTR just noticed 2 users have contacted me telling me they cannot

>>> the user list anymore. So someone must have changed something on the

>>> list, but it’s not me :) >>> >>> Thanks >>> -Vincent >>> >>>> >>>>> AFAIR, a proposed flow was to receive mails of the discussions and,

>>> you >>>>> want to reply, you'd follow the reply link in the mail an open the >>>>> discourse browser window. >>>>> >>>>> So, only discourse could be able to publish to the list, all other

>>>>> users would get rejected. >>>> >>>> The proposal was: >>>> * Make the list readonly except for a given discourse user who’d have >>> user(a)xwiki.org as its email so that we can still archive discussions

>>> with discourse on markmail, nabble, etc. >>>> >>>> However: >>>> * I have configured a user having user(a)xwiki.org as its email and in >>> “mailing list mode” but after it sends its first mail, the “mailing

>>> mode” is automatically disabled and I don’t know why. >>>> >>>> Conclusion so far: >>>> * We need to make the list readonly. I’ll do this next week when I

>>> some time. >>>> * I don’t know how to fix the issue listed above >>>> * In any case I don’t think it’s that important that we don’t archive >>> discourse discussions on markmail so I’m fine with dropping this part. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> -Vincent >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Eduard >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2 Jun 2017, at 19:50, Marius Dumitru Florea < >>>>>> mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Vincent Massol <

>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi devs, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now that our forum is working well I’d like to propose to make

>>> users >>>>>>>> list readonly and move all users to the forum. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's a small thing but very annoying: is there a way to reply

>>>>>> When >>>>>>> the post you want to reply to is long it's pretty hard to keep >>> context if >>>>>>> you can't reply in-line. The alternative is to copy and quote the

>>>>>> that >>>>>>> you are referring to, but it's not that nice. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes it’s possible and very easy to do: simply select the text you

>>> to >>>>>> reply to and you’ll see the option to reply to it :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Marius >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So the plan I’m proposing is: >>>>>>>> * On Monday, make the users list readonly >>>>>>>> * Send a last message on it, inviting users to move to the forum >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Note that we’ve already been putting a notice to all messages

>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> users lists inviting users to move to the forum and this has been >>>>>> running >>>>>>>> for 2 weeks already. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My feeling is that we need to finalize the move now and prevent

>>> much >>>>>>>> scattering of user posts both on the users list and on the forum

-- Thomas Mortagne

That could be fixed easily: * Once the users list is read only we can remove the prefix in the mail * We can also configure the list to support HTML Yep I agree It has the advantages of distributing the archiving: * markmail * nabble * gmane * xwiki mailman archives * etc I don’t think there’s such a markmail email…

It has a user subscribed to the list who receives the emails in its inbox (that’s how gmane works for ex).

From http://lucene.markmail.org/docs/faq.xqy: “ How do you load the emails? A Java program converts email to XML and loads them into MarkLogic Server. The program can load emails from an mbox archive or catch new emails as they come across the wire. We subscribe a user to each archived list in order to receive the new messages. " Thanks -Vincent > >> >> However, there’s a problem with Discourse as I mentioned (unless Edy found a solution). >> >> Personally I’m fine with not archiving discourse discussions through mailing list archives. It makes a bit harder for users to search in one place but quickly over time it’ll be ok. It’ll also be a bit harder for stats but I guess we can handle that too… >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Eduard >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:35, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:09, Eduard Moraru &lt;enygma2002(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Guys, I thought we were going to make the users list read-only, not >>>>>> disable >>>>>>>> it completely. This is now what was discussed, AFAIK. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Where did you see that? At least that’s not my proposal. My proposal is >>>>>> to make it read only. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Right now, I haven't received a mail on the users list since 12th of >>>>>> June. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I haven’t made it readonly yet so I don’t know if it’s normal or not. >>>>>> >>>>>> FTR just noticed 2 users have contacted me telling me they cannot post to >>>>>> the user list anymore. So someone must have changed something on the user >>>>>> list, but it’s not me :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> AFAIR, a proposed flow was to receive mails of the discussions and, if >>>>>> you >>>>>>>> want to reply, you'd follow the reply link in the mail an open the >>>>>>>> discourse browser window. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, only discourse could be able to publish to the list, all other list >>>>>>>> users would get rejected. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The proposal was: >>>>>>> * Make the list readonly except for a given discourse user who’d have >>>>>> user(a)xwiki.org as its email so that we can still archive discussions done >>>>>> with discourse on markmail, nabble, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However: >>>>>>> * I have configured a user having user(a)xwiki.org as its email and in >>>>>> “mailing list mode” but after it sends its first mail, the “mailing list >>>>>> mode” is automatically disabled and I don’t know why. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Conclusion so far: >>>>>>> * We need to make the list readonly. I’ll do this next week when I find >>>>>> some time. >>>>>>> * I don’t know how to fix the issue listed above >>>>>>> * In any case I don’t think it’s that important that we don’t archive >>>>>> discourse discussions on markmail so I’m fine with dropping this part. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Eduard >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2 Jun 2017, at 19:50, Marius Dumitru Florea < >>>>>>>>> mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi devs, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now that our forum is working well I’d like to propose to make the >>>>>> users >>>>>>>>>>> list readonly and move all users to the forum. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's a small thing but very annoying: is there a way to reply in-line? >>>>>>>>> When >>>>>>>>>> the post you want to reply to is long it's pretty hard to keep >>>>>> context if >>>>>>>>>> you can't reply in-line. The alternative is to copy and quote the part >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> you are referring to, but it's not that nice. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes it’s possible and very easy to do: simply select the text you wish >>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> reply to and you’ll see the option to reply to it :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> Marius >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So the plan I’m proposing is: >>>>>>>>>>> * On Monday, make the users list readonly >>>>>>>>>>> * Send a last message on it, inviting users to move to the forum >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Note that we’ve already been putting a notice to all messages sent on >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> users lists inviting users to move to the forum and this has been >>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>>> for 2 weeks already. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My feeling is that we need to finalize the move now and prevent too >>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>> scattering of user posts both on the users list and on the forum and >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> them all on the forum ASAP. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> WDYT? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent