You do realize that changing “page name” to “identifier” means introducing a new vocabulary and means - changing lots of wiki pages on xwiki.org, - changing APIs that will no longer be consistent, such as pageName in the REST model, getPageName() in create.js, etc - changing all places in the UI where we use “page name" That’s a *huge* work... ATM I’m -0 and very close to -1 to change the vocabulary since we already have a lot to do with NS/ND. Thanks -Vincent Hi, With the latest changes to the create UI [1] we`ve changed (mostly following the agreed-ish proposal [2]) the old "Page Name" label in the create UI to "Identifier" because we believed that having both "Page Title" and "Page Name" on the same page would confuse users and they would not know which one to use. Now, I`d like your quick vote on which one to stick with, since some might consider that "Page Name" is better. One argument for page name (i.e. against "identifier") is that an "identifier" is usually globally unique and in our case this is only true within the same parent. Also, copying a document to a new location and preserving its "identifier" can feel a bit odd to some, since they would expect the need for a new "identifier". Feel free to express your other arguments. Another argument for identifier besides the one already mentioned is that it also better reflects its "technical" nature and should "discourage" users from working with it and they should be using the document's title instead of their needs (both in the create step and further along). Here's my +1 for "identifier". WDYT? Thanks, Eduard ---------- [1] http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12231 [2] http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/NestedCreate/createTitl… _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

Agree with Vincent, and I'm actually -1 for changing it to "identifier". Internally, a document already has an identifier, the generated hash. On 08/25/2015 11:53 AM, vincent(a)massol.net wrote: -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

We have 2.5 -1s for switching to "Identifier" so the conclusion is that we`ll continue using "Page Name". Thanks for the votes and the arguments! -Eduard On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com > I indeed forgot about XWikiDocument#getId which move my vote to -1. > > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> >> Agree with Vincent, and I'm actually -1 for changing it to "identifier". >> Internally, a document already has an identifier, the generated hash. >> >> On 08/25/2015 11:53 AM, vincent(a)massol.net wrote: >>> You do realize that changing “page name” to “identifier” means > introducing a new vocabulary and means >>> - changing lots of wiki pages on xwiki.org, >>> - changing APIs that will no longer be consistent, such as pageName in > the REST model, getPageName() in create.js, etc >>> - changing all places in the UI where we use “page name" >>> >>> That’s a *huge* work... >>> >>> ATM I’m -0 and very close to -1 to change the vocabulary since we > already have a lot to do with NS/ND. >>> >>> Thanks >>> -Vincent >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> With the latest changes to the create UI [1] we`ve changed (mostly >>> following the agreed-ish proposal [2]) the old "Page Name" label in the >>> create UI to "Identifier" because we believed that having both "Page > Title" >>> and "Page Name" on the same page would confuse users and they would not >>> know which one to use. >>> >>> Now, I`d like your quick vote on which one to stick with, since some > might >>> consider that "Page Name" is better. >>> >>> One argument for page name (i.e. against "identifier") is that an >>> "identifier" is usually globally unique and in our case this is only > true >>> within the same parent. Also, copying a document to a new location and >>> preserving its "identifier" can feel a bit odd to some, since they would >>> expect the need for a new "identifier". Feel free to express your other >>> arguments. >>> >>> Another argument for identifier besides the one already mentioned is > that >>> it also better reflects its "technical" nature and should "discourage" >>> users from working with it and they should be using the document's title >>> instead of their needs (both in the create step and further along). >>> >>> Here's my +1 for "identifier". >>> >>> WDYT? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Eduard >>> >>> ---------- >>> [1] http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12231 >>> [2] >>> > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/NestedCreate/createTitl… >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devs mailing list >>> devs(a)xwiki.org >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devs mailing list >>> devs(a)xwiki.org >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >> >> >> -- >> Sergiu Dumitriu >> http://purl.org/net/sergiu >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> devs(a)xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > -- > Thomas Mortagne > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > devs(a)xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs