I still am.

Re panels, as I said in my comment, I think panels are self contained documents and should be structured accordingly. The panel should be valid (without skipped heading levels) both when displayed standalone and when it is included in a page. Therefor I'm for the H1 for panel title solution.

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Vincent Massol wrote: No. It's like hearing "Chapter: Welcome to your wiki" and then later "Chapter: Spaces". IMO the voice over should be improved to be more user friendly.

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any decision we make, we need to make sure that beside WCAG, the headers are also displayed visually corect by the {toc} macro and that they are semantically correct.

If we are looking at Main - visually we have a separation between the content and the panels. Within the content - since we have the big title "Welcome to your wiki" - it would look normal that "Spaces", "Recent Changes" to be H2. This is done now visually through CSS, but for audio readers they are all H1. So no hierarchy is showed in audio mode. If we are going to change the "Spaces" in H2, we need to modify the {{ toc }} macro to include the page title, otherwise it's gonna start with a simple bullet. Regarding an algorithm to transform all H1 within the content in H2 - I disagree. The user may need to add a H1 to the page. It's his decision if we doesn't care about WCAG.

Another thing is that the Main actually includes "Spaces", "Recent Changes", "Tags" - and they are original H1, being separated pages. On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:50, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote: > > On Nov 12, 2009, at 10:34 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote: > >> Vincent Massol wrote: >>> On Nov 12, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote: >>> >>>> I still am. >>> >>> So you don't think it's a pb that the user hears "heading level 1: >>> Welcome to your wiki" and then later on "header level 1: Spaces", >>> etc? >> >> No. It's like hearing "Chapter: Welcome to your wiki" and then later >> "Chapter: Spaces". IMO the voice over should be improved to be more >> user >> friendly. > > The only pb is that the user will think the Spaces, Changes, etc (and > this is true for any level 1 header in any doc) is not part of the > document corresponding to the read title... > > -Vincent > >> Marius >> >>> >>>> Re panels, as I said in my comment, I think panels are self >>>> contained documents and should be structured accordingly. The >>>> panel >>>> should be valid (without skipped heading levels) both when >>>> displayed >>>> standalone and when it is included in a page. Therefor I'm for the >>>> H1 >>>> for panel title solution. >>> >>> This is not about panels. >>> >>> Thanks >>> -Vincent >>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Marius >>>> >>>> Vincent Massol wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Following the discussion for what HTML element to use for Panels >>>>> at http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-4552 >>>>> , I'd like to reopen the 2 H1 solution we had agreed on. I want >>>>> to be >>>>> sure we still agree about it, especially in view of WCAG. >>>>> >>>>> Please read the following and tell me what you think: >>>>> > http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-4552?focusedCommentId=46201&pag… >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> -Vincent