Hi Sergiu, On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote: To me, view code is not a display action: "view code" should look different in desktop, mobile and print view. I'd rather have "view code" in the "Actions" menu.

About the Display option, I think that would be great. Do you also plan on adding an autodetect based on the user agent?

Another question: should it be called "Display" or "View" ? "View" sounds maybe a bit more intuitive than "Display" but I don't have a strong pow on this.

I'm +1 about a "Display" or "View" menu entry with Desktop, Mobile and Print. Only potential issue is that it might make the top menu look a bit crowded. See my remarks above. Great idea overall. Guillaume

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 17:24, Guillaume Lerouge <guillaume(a)xwiki.com> wrote: On one hand, this behaves differently than the other 3 entries in the Display menu. On the other hand, this is not something you DO with the document (like rename or delete), but a different way of displaying it, thus I strongly think it doesn't belong to the Actions menu, and I moderately believe that it belongs in the Display menu.

Kind of, stylesheets already have a "media" attribute that specifies for which type of device it should be used. The display menu will just "force" one of the stylesheets to be used, regardless of the current media, something like: <link rel="stylesheet" media="all or print" I don't know either, but I'm slightly inclined towards "Display".

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I think the usages of a such menu entry are to low. They maybe just agglomerate the menu. An autodetect based on the user agent would be IMO more practical and would serve its purpose. I think it's bad If I'm in "mobile" mode and I have to search 5 minute for the menu with "mobile" entry just to swithc my view. It should be autodetect. And if it's autodetect ... then why have a "unpractical" menu entry?

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 21:16, Thomas Mortagne &lt;thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com&gt;wrote;wrote: _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

Hi, On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea< mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: Well, you might still have to do it manually from time to time (for instance I sometimes manually switch from facebook's iphone view to the standard view on my phone) so even with automatic detection the menu makes sense. Plus we need to put "view source" somewhere. After thinking about it more I'm in favor in "View" rather than "Display" since it's easier to understand and can accomodate broader options ("Display -> Print view" sounds weirder than "View -> Printable version" IMO) .

Ecaterina Valica wrote: > I think the usages of a such menu entry are to low. They maybe just > agglomerate the menu. > > An autodetect based on the user agent would be IMO more practical and would > serve its purpose.

> I think it's bad If I'm in "mobile" mode and I have to search 5 minute for > the menu with "mobile" entry just to swithc my view. It should be > autodetect.

> And if it's autodetect ... then why have a "unpractical" menu entry?

I share the same opinion. I see this display mode more like a preference in the user profile or a URL parameter (auto detect + a way to force it if needed).

> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 21:16, Thomas Mortagne&lt;thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com&gt;wrote;wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 17:38, Sergiu Dumitriu&lt;sergiu(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 17:24, Guillaume Lerouge&lt;guillaume(a)xwiki.com&gt; >> wrote: >>>> Hi Sergiu, >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu&lt;sergiu(a)xwiki.com&gt; >> wrote: >>>>> Hi Devs, >>>>> >>>>> Inspired by the newly launched W3C website, I'd like to introduce the >>>>> possibility to choose the display mode: desktop (the current UI), >>>>> print (the current print preview UI) and mobile (a 1-column, >>>>> margin-free layout). I'd like to group these options in a new action >>>>> menu entry, named DISPLAY (or VIEW) and placed between EDIT and EXPORT >>>>> (I can't find a good position, suggestions welcome). In the same menu >>>>> we can reintroduce the View Wiki Source feature ( >>>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XSCOLIBRI-122 ). >>>>> >>>>> So basically, the menu changes are: >>>>> - new DISPLAY menu, with the options: Desktop, Mobile, Print, Wiki >> Source >>>>> - the chosen display mode (except wiki source) is sticky, meaning that >>>>> it will continue to be used for the following page views >>>>> - Print Preview disappears from ACTIONS >>>>> >>>> To me, view code is not a display action: "view code" should look >> different >>>> in desktop, mobile and print view. I'd rather have "view code" in the >>>> "Actions" menu. >>> On one hand, this behaves differently than the other 3 entries in the >>> Display menu. >>> >>> On the other hand, this is not something you DO with the document >>> (like rename or delete), but a different way of displaying it, thus I >>> strongly think it doesn't belong to the Actions menu, and I moderately >>> believe that it belongs in the Display menu. >> +1, it has nothing to do in Actions menu, it's not an action. >> >>>> About the Display option, I think that would be great. Do you also plan >> on >>>> adding an autodetect based on the user agent? >>> Kind of, stylesheets already have a "media" attribute that specifies >>> for which type of device it should be used. The display menu will just >>> "force" one of the stylesheets to be used, regardless of the current >>> media, something like: >>> >>> <link rel="stylesheet" media="all or print" >>> >>>> Another question: should it be called "Display" or "View" ? "View" >> sounds >>>> maybe a bit more intuitive than "Display" but I don't have a strong pow >> on >>>> this. >>> I don't know either, but I'm slightly inclined towards "Display". >> I prefer "Display" too it sound maybe too technical for basic user. >> >>>> I'm +1 about a "Display" or "View" menu entry with Desktop, Mobile and >>>> Print. >>>> >>>> Only potential issue is that it might make the top menu look a bit >> crowded. >>>> >>>>> Any objections/comments? >>>>> >>>> See my remarks above. Great idea overall. >>>> >>>> Guillaume