PMFJI,
What is the "XWIKI Enterprise" product, and how does it differ from previous
XWIKIs?
Has there been any change in businessmodel, and is XWIKI in the process of
becoming a commercial product?
Best regards,
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: users-bounces(a)xwiki.org [mailto:users-bounces@xwiki.org] On Behalf Of
Vincent Massol
Sent: 19. desember 2007 17:36
To: XWiki Users
Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Documentation?
Guys,
I've just added a new "Documentation" link in the General Links Panel.
It points to:
Hope you like it.
Thanks all for your input on this :)
-Vincent
On Dec 19, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
On Dec 19, 2007, at 4:02 PM, Esbach, Brandon wrote:
> Could
you please point out just one to me please so that I can see
> it in action?
There's a lot of them, I agree most of those I use are
either single-
product support sites.
But here's one, for example:
http://www.adobe.com/
The layout there is the kinda thing I'd think would work well for
xwiki.
Just hover over support to see a link for documentation, this takes
you to a documentation area.
And on that page it asks you to choose a product.
Yes I can see this working so that users can navigate from 2 angles:
1) by product they're interested in
2) by type of information they're looking for (they'll be asked to
choose the product in that case)
This approach might work for xwiki's diverse
product range as well,
as then you pick your product for more support.
Err, also I wanted to point out, I'm just sharing a concern here.
My intention is to just clear up potential confusion for new users
(if existing users are confused, I imagine new ones will be more so).
Thanks for sharing this. It helps.
-Vincent
> -----Original Message-----
> From: users-bounces(a)xwiki.org [mailto:users-bounces@xwiki.org] On
> Behalf Of Vincent Massol
> Sent: 19 December 2007 14:51
> To: XWiki Users
> Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Documentation?
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2007, at 2:58 PM, Esbach, Brandon wrote:
>
>> Ok, I know this comes off as nitpicking (not trying to, just sharing
>> my own confusion)..
>> To download Xwiki, I click "Download". All options are clearly
>> labelled, and I know what I'm getting when I select one of them.
>
> That's because I've hadn't had the time yet to split the download
> page into several! (one for each product).
>
>> I would have thought to get documentation, I click "Documentation"..
>> Or even "Support", as with most other product sites.
>
>
>> As an uninitiated user, I would have no clue what each of the
>> options
>> are.
>>
>> (Bear with me a moment for the comparison) As a comparison, I
>> dropped
>> into MediaWiki's homepage (
mediawiki.org).
>> First thoughts: boring and tedious. But any potential user can
>> immediately find the distribution or the documetation. The whole
>> process of finding/accessing takes a few seconds.
>
> As I said this in my previous email this isn't a valid comparison
> since Mediawiki is just one product: a wiki.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: users-bounces(a)xwiki.org [mailto:users-bounces@xwiki.org] On
>> Behalf Of Vincent Massol
>> Sent: 19 December 2007 13:15
>> To: XWiki Users
>> Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Documentation?
>>
>>
>> On Dec 19, 2007, at 2:06 PM, Esbach, Brandon wrote:
>>
>>> I'd have to suggest though that it's not as intuitive as it once
>>> was.
>>
>> I'd agree but that doesn't bother me since xwiki isn't what it used
>> to
>> be. Even the previous
xwiki.org wasn't as intuitive as xwiki was
>> when
>> everything was fitting on one page ;)
>>
>> What I'm interested in thought it is to make it as intuitive *as
>> possible*.
>>
>>> Even a search on "documentation" returns no results (for me,
>>> anyway).
>>
>> The search isn't working so no wonder.... :)
>>
>>> Can there not be a documentation panel to get quick access to each
>>> product's documentation?
>>
>> There is one already... It's called "XWiki Ecosystem". Or do you
>> mean
>> something else?
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: users-bounces(a)xwiki.org [mailto:users-bounces@xwiki.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Vincent Massol
>>> Sent: 19 December 2007 12:44
>>> To: XWiki Users
>>> Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Documentation?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 19, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Víctor A. Rodríguez wrote:
>>>
>>>> Vincent Massol wrote:
>>>>> I'm curious to know. Do others have this issue finding
>>>>> documentation too?
>>>>>
>>>> My main problem is that some links have been moved and need to be
>>>> located the first time I try to reach them, e.g.
>>>
>>> yes but I would say that's normal.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/InstallationMySQL,
>>>>
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/UserGuide/Features (and all
>>>> the
>>>> UseGuide related links).
>>>
>>>> IMHO, the real problem is that now the wiki is more product
>>>> oriented, instead of features oriented.
>>>
>>> Well that's not fully true. You can't compare with before since
>>> before we were only documenting one product and now we're
>>> documenting
>>> the platform and all the products...
>>>
>>>> I remember the previous one were the first you found were all the
>>>> features that XWiki has. This is what you want to look at when you
>>>> arrive to a site in search for a product, a quick view of features
>>>> to stay with the product or to move on to the next one.
>>>>
>>>> Again, IMHO, not a good move. :-(
>>>
>>> You mean the new
xwiki.org is not a good move?
>>>
>>> Past users of
xwiki.org should go to the http://
>>>
enterprise.xwiki.org
>>> since the previous version was only documenting that. Then you
>>> should
>>> be able to find all you had before.
>>>
>>> Back to your feature-oriented documentation idea. Do you have any
>>> example of web site in mind that do this? (I mean websites with
>>> more
>>> than one product). Or any idea how to implement this?
>>>
>>> OTOH all the sites I know that have more than one product do it the
>>> way we do it on
xwiki.org:
>>> -
http://apache.org,
http://jakarta.apache.org
>>> -
http://hibernate.org
>>> -
http://jboss.org
>>> - etc
>>>
>>> We could show all the platform features on the main page since all
>>> products share these but I don't think that would be a good idea
>>> since we would then not be able to present the different products
>>> (not enough space).
>>>
>>> I guess what I'm trying to understand right now is why is it
>>> difficult to pick the product for which to read documentation
>>> about.
>>> Would you have any insight into this?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>>> BTW, thanks Vincent for asking and search for problems to solve.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can find documentation by product using the "XWiki
>>>>>> Ecosystem"
>>>>>> panel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For example if you search XWiki Enterprise documentation you
>>>>>> click
>>>>>> on "XWiki Enterprise" that go to
>>>>>>
http://enterprise.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/ where you
>>>>>> find a
>>>>>> "Quick Links" panel containing documentation.for XE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2007/12/19, Esbach, Brandon <Esbachb(a)tycoelectronics.com>om>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Probably missing the link somewhere, but I can't seem to
find
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> links for the documentation on the
xwiki.org site?
>>>>>>>
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