17 Mar
2008
17 Mar
'08
6:37 a.m.
hi,
I wonder if I'm the first few outside people to try XWS milestone 1. :-)
Well, I'm evaluating the XWiki series of products for my Java User Group in
Hong Kong. XWS "looks" better than XE to me and it seems XWS allows every
user to create his/her own space of blog, wiki, photo and files, that
perfectly fit my needs. I wonder:
- could XWS provide public registration, and anonymous
(/non-logged-in) user access mode?
- could XE actually do all XWS can do and I should use XE for public
service? In fact, I feel XE has steeper learning curve than XWS. It seems XE
does not provide individual blog, photo and file spaces
- any pointer if I want to limit one user to create only one space?
- could anyone point me to where I may be able to customize the space
name and url? basically, the use of "Space_" as prefix look quite odd to me
and i would like to remove it. And if it is possible i would want to make
the url shorter. Currently, it's something like: "
http://mydomain.com/xwiki/bin/view/Space_username/"quot;, i am able to
remove the context "xwiki", and i suppose it shouldn't be difficult to
turn
Space_username to username. It's most desirable to turn bin/view to nothing
or make it a single "folder", e.g. remove "/bin" (i suppose the
action
cannot be removed.)
regarding URL, i wonder if the developers like to go to the REST-ful
direction. Some people think in REST-ful URL only resource but not action
should be put as the path. (certainly, i understand in using Struts, some
options may not be available)
Thank you very much.
Regards,
mingfai
17 Mar
17 Mar
9:16 a.m.
hi,
Hello Minfai,
I wonder if I'm the first few outside people to try XWS milestone 1. :-)
Yes, I think you are one of the very first ;)
Well, I'm evaluating the XWiki series of products for my Java User Group
in
Hong Kong. XWS "looks" better than XE to me and it seems XWS allows every
user to create his/her own space of blog, wiki, photo and files, that
perfectly fit my needs. I wonder:
- could XWS provide public registration, and anonymous
(/non-logged-in) user access mode?
For public registration, yes, we should offer that as an option to turn on
in the global workspaces administration. For anonymous access, it could be
an option too, but we first need to think about what we offer publicly
(maybe adding another privacy level for workspaces beyond the
private/public couple).
- could XE actually do all XWS can do and I should
use XE for public
service? In fact, I feel XE has steeper learning curve than XWS. It
seems XE
does not provide individual blog, photo and file spaces
Yes, it is our plan to factorize applications between XWS and XE. This
will take some time though as we need to expand our application manager
plugin and adapt our applications to do so.
- any pointer if I want to limit one user to create
only one space?
Currently, XWS allows only one user-space (personal space) per user, but
it's true that users can create as many workspaces as they want. What you
can do now is edit XWSCode.MySpaces and remove the workspace creation
form. This will allow you to have only admin able to create workspaces.
- could anyone point me to where I may be able to
customize the space
name and url? basically, the use of "Space_" as prefix look quite odd
to me
and i would like to remove it. And if it is possible i would want to
make
the url shorter. Currently, it's something like: "
http://mydomain.com/xwiki/bin/view/Space_username/"quot;, i am able to
remove the context "xwiki", and i suppose it shouldn't be difficult to
turn
Space_username to username. It's most desirable to turn bin/view to
nothing
or make it a single "folder", e.g. remove "/bin" (i suppose the
action
cannot be removed.)
See http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Plugins/SpaceManagerPlugin, and
in particular the xwiki.spacemanager.prefix param of xwiki.cfg.
regarding URL, i wonder if the developers like to go to the REST-ful
direction. Some people think in REST-ful URL only resource but not action
should be put as the path. (certainly, i understand in using Struts, some
options may not be available)
We have a GSoC project proposal to make XWiki restful : read it at
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/GoogleSummerOfCode/XWikiRESTApi. This
would allow developers to create restful application easily.
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much for your feedback, it's important for us to get such
informations, especially at the product early stages. We will take all
this into consideration to improve the product and its ease of use, and
this will also help us decide the way we want to go with it in its future
versions.
Regards,
Jerome.
Regards,
mingfai
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9:28 a.m.
On Mar 17, 2008, at 6:37 AM, Mingfai wrote:
hi,
I wonder if I'm the first few outside people to try XWS milestone
1. :-)
Well, I'm evaluating the XWiki series of products for my Java User
Group in Hong Kong. XWS "looks" better than XE to me and it seems
XWS allows every user to create his/her own space of blog, wiki,
photo and files, that perfectly fit my needs. I wonder:
could XWS provide public registration, and anonymous (/non-logged-
in) user access mode?
could XE actually do all XWS can do and I should use XE for public
service? In fact, I feel XE has steeper learning curve than XWS. It
seems XE does not provide individual blog, photo and file spaces
XE can do
everything. It's a second generation wiki. All XWiki
products are based on XE (and the underlying platform). For example
even if in XE you have one blog by default, nothing prevents you to
create as many as you want in the way you want them to be (you can
imagine any kind of use case).
XWS is definitely meant to be a wrapper around XE to make it simpler
and to provide a solution which is oriented towards personal work
spaces that you can share with others. XE is generic, XWS implements a
specific solution based on work groups.
Thus if XWS matches your needs you should definitely use it over XE.
Thanks
-Vincent
any pointer if I want to limit one user to create only
one space?
could anyone point me to where I may be able to customize the space
name and url? basically, the use of "Space_" as prefix look quite
odd to me and i would like to remove it. And if it is possible i
would want to make the url shorter. Currently, it's something like:
"http://mydomain.com/xwiki/bin/view/Space_username/
", i am able to remove the context "xwiki", and i suppose it
shouldn't be difficult to turn Space_username to username. It's most
desirable to turn bin/view to nothing or make it a single "folder",
e.g. remove "/bin" (i suppose the action cannot be removed.)
regarding URL, i wonder if the developers like to go to the REST-ful
direction. Some people think in REST-ful URL only resource but not
action should be put as the path. (certainly, i understand in using
Struts, some options may not be available)
Thank you very much.
Regards,
mingfai
10:01 a.m.
Congratulation to the XWiki team for the first release! and thanks for your
replies.
I didn't realize I'v tried it before your release notice! :-) (as I thought
it was released some time in the last week) Anyway, I've been actively
waiting for it.
The key decision is just whether I should use XE and copy the XWS functions,
or hack the code and request for features to allow XWS be used for public
service. It seems obviously that the latter option is much better. As
mentioned before, it's for a JUG. The use cases are straightforward:
- a global blog+wiki+photo that is readable by anonymous users and
editable by a few committee members, (maybe comment by registered users)
- Some spaces for collaboration works that any registered member are
editable, and
- every user could create his own space.
The functions are pretty much there already. The key missing thing is just
making the global space publicly accessible. I'll fire some Jira issues
later. Thanks.
Regards,
mingfai
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On Mar 17, 2008, at 6:37 AM, Mingfai wrote:
hi,
I wonder if I'm the first few outside people to try XWS milestone 1. :-)
Well, I'm evaluating the XWiki series of products for my Java User Group
in Hong Kong. XWS "looks" better than XE to me and it seems XWS allows every
user to create his/her own space of blog, wiki, photo and files, that
perfectly fit my needs. I wonder:
- could XWS provide public registration, and anonymous
(/non-logged-in) user access mode?
- could XE actually do all XWS can do and I should use XE for public
service? In fact, I feel XE has steeper learning curve than XWS. It seems XE
does not provide individual blog, photo and file spaces
XE can do everything. It's a second generation wiki. All XWiki products
are based on XE (and the underlying platform). For example even if in XE you
have one blog by default, nothing prevents you to create as many as you want
in the way you want them to be (you can imagine any kind of use case).
XWS is definitely meant to be a wrapper around XE to make it simpler and
to provide a solution which is oriented towards personal work spaces that
you can share with others. XE is generic, XWS implements a specific solution
based on work groups.
Thus if XWS matches your needs you should definitely use it over XE.
Thanks
-Vincent
- any pointer if I want to limit one user to create only one space?
- could anyone point me to where I may be able to customize the
space name and url? basically, the use of "Space_" as prefix look quite odd
to me and i would like to remove it. And if it is possible i would want to
make the url shorter. Currently, it's something like: "
http://mydomain.com/xwiki/bin/view/Space_username/"quot;, i am able to
remove the context "xwiki", and i suppose it shouldn't be difficult to
turn
Space_username to username. It's most desirable to turn bin/view to nothing
or make it a single "folder", e.g. remove "/bin" (i suppose the
action cannot be removed.)
regarding URL, i wonder if the developers like to go to the REST-ful
direction. Some people think in REST-ful URL only resource but not action
should be put as the path. (certainly, i understand in using Struts, some
options may not be available)
Thank you very much.
Regards,
mingfai
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10:52 a.m.
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Jerome Velociter <jerome(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
See also : http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/ShortURLs
JV.
- could anyone point me to where I may be able
to customize the space
name and url? basically, the use of
"Space_" as prefix look quite odd
to me
and i would like to remove it. And if it is possible i would want to
make
the url shorter. Currently, it's something like: "
http://mydomain.com/xwiki/bin/view/Space_username/"quot;, i am able to
remove the context "xwiki", and i suppose it shouldn't be difficult to
turn
Space_username to username. It's most desirable to turn bin/view to
nothing
or make it a single "folder", e.g. remove "/bin" (i suppose the
action
cannot be removed.)
See http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Plugins/SpaceManagerPlugin, and
in particular the xwiki.spacemanager.prefix param of xwiki.cfg.
11:15 a.m.
Congratulation to the XWiki team for the first
release! and thanks for
your
replies.
I didn't realize I'v tried it before your release notice! :-) (as I
thought
it was released some time in the last week) Anyway, I've been actively
waiting for it.
The key decision is just whether I should use XE and copy the XWS
functions,
or hack the code and request for features to allow XWS be used for public
service. It seems obviously that the latter option is much better. As
mentioned before, it's for a JUG. The use cases are straightforward:
- a global blog+wiki+photo that is readable by anonymous users and
editable by a few committee members, (maybe comment by registered
users)
- Some spaces for collaboration works that any registered member are
editable, and
- every user could create his own space.
The functions are pretty much there already. The key missing thing is just
making the global space publicly accessible. I'll fire some Jira issues
later. Thanks.
If you are ready to look under the hood, we can definitely help you
realizing that. Actually having your organization's space visible by
unregistered users is not very hard. Once its created, you can do as
follow (logged as Admin):
- Click the "Administration" link in the XWiki toolbar
- Click the "Space rights" tab in the administration page
- Select your organization top-level space in the drop-down list (the one
without any suffix: Space_MyOrganization, not Space_MyOrganization_Wiki or
Space_MyOrganization_Blog)
- Once its loaded, click twice the checkbox for unregistered users under
"view" to have it green-checked (it should appear with a red circle at
first).
- ... and your done! The _Wiki, _Blog, etc. spaces will inherit their
rights from that top-level one, so you shouldn't have anything to do for
them.
If you want to have registered users able to comment, you can check the
"comment" box for XWikiAllGroup as well.
Hope this helps,
Jerome.
Regards,
mingfai
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
On Mar 17, 2008, at 6:37 AM, Mingfai wrote:
hi,
I wonder if I'm the first few outside people to try XWS milestone 1. :-)
Well, I'm evaluating the XWiki series of products for my Java User Group
in Hong Kong. XWS "looks" better than XE to me and it seems XWS allows
every
user to create his/her own space of blog, wiki, photo and files, that
perfectly fit my needs. I wonder:
- could XWS provide public registration, and anonymous
(/non-logged-in) user access mode?
- could XE actually do all XWS can do and I should use XE for public
service? In fact, I feel XE has steeper learning curve than XWS. It
seems XE
does not provide individual blog, photo and file spaces
XE can do everything. It's a second generation wiki. All XWiki products
are based on XE (and the underlying platform). For example even if in XE
you
have one blog by default, nothing prevents you to create as many as you
want
in the way you want them to be (you can imagine any kind of use case).
XWS is definitely meant to be a wrapper around XE to make it simpler and
to provide a solution which is oriented towards personal work spaces
that
you can share with others. XE is generic, XWS implements a specific
solution
based on work groups.
Thus if XWS matches your needs you should definitely use it over XE.
Thanks
-Vincent
- any pointer if I want to limit one user to create only one space?
- could anyone point me to where I may be able to customize the
space name and url? basically, the use of "Space_" as prefix look
quite odd
to me and i would like to remove it. And if it is possible i would
want to
make the url shorter. Currently, it's something like: "
http://mydomain.com/xwiki/bin/view/Space_username/"quot;, i am able to
remove the context "xwiki", and i suppose it shouldn't be difficult
to turn
Space_username to username. It's most desirable to turn bin/view to
nothing
or make it a single "folder", e.g. remove "/bin" (i suppose the
action cannot be removed.)
regarding URL, i wonder if the developers like to go to the REST-ful
direction. Some people think in REST-ful URL only resource but not
action
should be put as the path. (certainly, i understand in using Struts,
some
options may not be available)
Thank you very much.
Regards,
mingfai
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11:28 a.m.
[Snip]
- Click the "Administration" link in the XWiki toolbar
You can access the Administration toolbar by moving your mose over the small
icon at the top left of the page (the tools on a transparent background, you
maight not see them if you're not using Firefox), on hover the menu will
unfold and provide you with the "Administration" link Jérome is talking
about (which is different from the "Global Admin" link on a red background).
- Click the "Space rights" tab in the administration page
- Select your organization top-level space in the
drop-down list (the one
without any suffix: Space_MyOrganization, not Space_MyOrganization_Wiki or
Space_MyOrganization_Blog)
- Once its loaded, click twice the checkbox for unregistered users under
"view" to have it green-checked (it should appear with a red circle at
first).
- ... and your done! The _Wiki, _Blog, etc. spaces will inherit their
rights from that top-level one, so you shouldn't have anything to do for
them.
If you want to have registered users able to comment, you can check the
"comment" box for XWikiAllGroup as well.
Hope you'll manage to achieve your objectives... We'll be glad to have a
reference from you added on
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/References/once you're done ;-)
Guillaume
11:51 a.m.
Thanks Jerome and Guillaume,
I followed Jerome's detailed instruction and did it. I just realize the
Admin tool bar still exists. And in IE 6 there is no small icon, and in IE 7
the bar doesn't slide in. And btw, I got a little confusion as I don't know
how to "save" after the green arrow is on. (it's ok now.)
just two quick questions:
1. could the registration page be set to public in the same way? I
don't see a "Register" or similar page on the list
2. by default, /xwiki links to /xwiki/bin/login/XWiki/XWikiLogin , how
could i make it direct to other page? like dashboard or wiki or blog page of
the global space? I think i've checked all admin pages (but not yet scanned
all doc)
Hope you'll manage to achieve your objectives...
We'll be glad to have a
reference from you added on
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/References/once you're done ;-)
Sure, I'll put up a beta site a few hours later. It may be a better to add
to the References page after my site is stabilized. So far I can't find a
better option than XWS for building a organization wiki + member publishing
and sharing site.
Regards,
mingfai
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <guillaume(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
[Snip]
- Click the "Administration" link in the XWiki toolbar
You can access the Administration toolbar by moving your mose over the
small icon at the top left of the page (the tools on a transparent
background, you maight not see them if you're not using Firefox), on hover
the menu will unfold and provide you with the "Administration" link Jérome
is talking about (which is different from the "Global Admin" link on a red
background).
- Click the "Space rights" tab in the administration page
- Select your organization top-level space in the
drop-down list (the
one
without any suffix: Space_MyOrganization, not Space_MyOrganization_Wiki
or
Space_MyOrganization_Blog)
- Once its loaded, click twice the checkbox for unregistered users under
"view" to have it green-checked (it should appear with a red circle at
first).
- ... and your done! The _Wiki, _Blog, etc. spaces will inherit their
rights from that top-level one, so you shouldn't have anything to do for
them.
If you want to have registered users able to comment, you can check the
"comment" box for XWikiAllGroup as well.
Hope you'll manage to achieve your objectives... We'll be glad to have a
reference from you added on
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/References/ once you're done ;-)
Guillaume
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7:39 p.m.
Thanks Jerome and Guillaume,
I followed Jerome's detailed instruction and did it. I just realize the
Admin tool bar still exists. And in IE 6 there is no small icon, and in IE
7
the bar doesn't slide in. And btw, I got a little confusion as I don't
know
how to "save" after the green arrow is on. (it's ok now.)
just two quick questions:
1. could the registration page be set to public in the same way? I
don't see a "Register" or similar page on the list
Yes, you can check the "register" box for unregistered users, and a
register link will appear on the top right corner for non authenticated
users. The only issue is that XWS action bar does not provide a register
link yet. What you can do now is edit the content of your organization's
space home, and provide this link :
http://yourserver/xwiki/bin/register/XWiki/Register
2. by default, /xwiki links to
/xwiki/bin/login/XWiki/XWikiLogin , how
could i make it direct to other page? like dashboard or wiki or blog
page of
the global space? I think i've checked all admin pages (but not yet
scanned
all doc)
You can edit Main.WebHome, and change the redirection for non
authenticated users ($context.user=="XWiki.XWikiGuest") to your
organization space WebHome.
Hope this helps. Regards,
Jerome.
PS: Thank you for the JIRA issues you raised ;)
Hope you'll manage to achieve your
objectives... We'll be glad to have a
reference from you added on
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/References/once you're done ;-)
Sure, I'll put up a beta site a few hours later. It may be a better to add
to the References page after my site is stabilized. So far I can't find a
better option than XWS for building a organization wiki + member
publishing
and sharing site.
Regards,
mingfai
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <guillaume(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
[Snip]
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- Click the "Administration" link in the XWiki toolbar
You can access the Administration toolbar by moving your mose over the
small icon at the top left of the page (the tools on a transparent
background, you maight not see them if you're not using Firefox), on
hover
the menu will unfold and provide you with the "Administration" link
Jérome
is talking about (which is different from the "Global Admin" link on a
red
background).
- Click the "Space rights" tab in the administration page
- Select your organization top-level space in the
drop-down list (the
one
without any suffix: Space_MyOrganization, not
Space_MyOrganization_Wiki
or
Space_MyOrganization_Blog)
- Once its loaded, click twice the checkbox for unregistered users
under
"view" to have it green-checked (it
should appear with a red circle at
first).
- ... and your done! The _Wiki, _Blog, etc. spaces will inherit their
rights from that top-level one, so you shouldn't have anything to do
for
them.
If you want to have registered users able to comment, you can check
the
"comment" box for XWikiAllGroup as
well.
Hope you'll manage to achieve your objectives... We'll be glad to have a
reference from you added on
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/References/ once you're done ;-)
Guillaume
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